Xenith Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 (edited) If you've seen the Bound Daemons of the Ruinstorm Update from GW, you've seen the awesome new Chaos star artefact image they have, which describes the cardinal points of the way of Chaos/the Primordial Annihilator. These are Encroaching Ruin, Infernal Tempest, Malevolent Artificer, Rapturoous Sensation, Ravenous Dissolution, Putrid Corruption, Formless Distortion and Heedless Slaughter. With the rumour that Vashtorr will attemt to become a minor god and take a position on this star, we can clearly see that there is a rough prototype for what would later be known as Khorne, Tzeentch, Nurgle and Slaanesh, and we can see which one is Vashtorr. Spoiler If we map these to the themes on the star, using the NE, SE, SW and NW points for the main gods, we get: Heedless Slaughter - Khorne Infernal Tempest - Tzeentch Putrid Corruption - Nurgle Rapturous Sensation - Slaanesh Malevolent Artificer - Vashtorr? This leaves the following three remaining aspects of the Annihilator that could potentially have new gods matched to. Ravenous Dissolution Encroaching Ruin Formless Distortion What do we think these gods could be? Personally I think that Ravenous dissolution could be the Horned Rat/the god of the Hrud, if there is one. Are there any other chaotic godlike entities with characteristics that would match the remaining vacant spots? Edited March 15, 2023 by Xenith WARMASTER_, Iron Father Ferrum, Dr_Ruminahui and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 That star just gives me the heebee geebees… Xin Ceithan and Xenith 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted March 15, 2023 Author Share Posted March 15, 2023 I'l admit they should have put the main gods on the Cardinal points. Having them on the diagonals is just weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysimachus Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Xenith said: Heedless Slaughter - Khorne Infernal Tempest - Tzeentch Putrid Corruption - Nurgle Rapturous Sensation - Slaanesh That makes sense, as the opposing gods are at 180 to each other. I would have thought Ravenous Dissolution could refer to Chaos self-destructive qualities, i.e. Malal/Malice? Edit: I reckon if you put one of the big 4 at the top, some people would take it as evidence of that one being the greatest. ...maybe the star moves around depending on whose power is waxing/waning? Edited March 15, 2023 by Lysimachus Xin Ceithan and Xenith 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lansalt Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 I bet that's not a bug, it's a feature. Anyway, I nominate Sa'ra'am, the daemon behind the Obliterator virus and cults, for Formless Distortion (between Khorne and Nurgle) Dr_Ruminahui and Xenith 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xin Ceithan Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Mmh. IIRC there is a line in the recent „The End and the Death“ that describes chaos as „the eight paths of the four that are one“ (Or something like that - I have troubles searching audiobooks for keywords ) which certainly would fit in here very well? I like that this version does both offer the major powers as sort of possible cardinal points / exemplars of various traits but the none of them appear to b e more prominent here over the other aspects and they are not mutually exclusive either as well as conjoined as being derived from the central pool of the primordial annihilator. This is allows a much more fluent interpretation of aspects that encompasses both the “known” powers but also has place for something like Vashtorr or the Horned Rat. Or Bel’akor. It’s much more fluid and malleable, so fits the theme nicely as Chaos can encompass all of these aspects and / or focus on certain traits. It’s a very fine representation for “ Chaos, undivided” Might be just my bad eyes but it doesn’t read clearly as “Malevolent Artificer” to me just “Malevolent Artifice” with a very flowery end. So it might not be a direct link to Vashtorr - even if that one does certainly manifest this aspect pretty obviously / dominantly. So the other three “unassigned” points might not have to have something attached to them by default? But it sure seems fun to speculate about them Xenith 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted March 15, 2023 Author Share Posted March 15, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Xin Ceithan said: Bel’akor D'oh! How could I forget the big man himself! I think he'd maybe fit the formless distortion option, having been the Shadowlord, being a spirit without body for quite a while, and generally manipulating people. So we have Vashtorr, Be'Lakor, the Horned Rat (maybe too WFB-esque?) Sa'ra'am. Could Samus, the daemon prince of the Ruinstorm be the 'Encroaching Ruin', which would have been at it's peak during the heresy? Malevolent Artifice - Vashtorr? Ravenous Dissolution - The Horned Rat / Malice Encroaching Ruin - Samus Formless Distortion - Be'Lakor / Sa'ra'am Edited March 15, 2023 by Xenith Xin Ceithan 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 (edited) I don’t know that the points have to even line up specifically with entities all the time, or that the Chaos Gods themselves, while in opposition, couldn’t partially occupy another point at the same time. For instance, Tzeentch could easily occupy a Formless Distortion aspect with the “endless change” concept, etc., while Nurgle and Khorne could both potentially fill an aspect re: “Encroaching Ruin” while having their main aspect as well. Edited March 15, 2023 by Bryan Blaire Xenith, Xin Ceithan, WARMASTER_ and 2 others 4 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urauloth Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Sa'ra'am, being the daemon of creating instruments to murder stuff with, seems like a natural contender for Malevolent Artifice. I've seen a lot of people refer to it as a daemon of Khorne, but I don't remember if Slaves to Darkness specified this or not. If it is, then it's a fragment of a god already, and presumably incapable of apotheosis. If not, Vashtorr probably has it beat anyway. Samus seems like a perfect fit for Encroaching Ruin. Be'Lakor could be this as well, or Formless Distortion like you suggest (although really this seems like Tzeentch's ballpark to me - I'm guessing that they aren't exclusive, even if some of them are monopolized to one degree or another). I wonder if daemon princes can become gods, or if their mortal origins get in the way? Drach'Nyen might have potential as a candidate for Ravenous Dissolution. It's currently a sword, but we know it can be other things. If nothing else, this might be the part of the octed it represents, as we know it's independent of the big four. Xin Ceithan 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamiel Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 2 hours ago, Xenith said: Malevolent Artifice - Vashtorr? Hashut? Xin Ceithan 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grailkeeper Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Ravenous dissolution is also kinda slaaneshi- dissolute (of a person or a way of life) overindulging in sensual pleasures. Xin Ceithan and Gamiel 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gideon stargreave Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 It's cool, the 4 cardinal points are almost (if you tunr the lights down and squint a bit) transition points between the ones that people have associated with the classic 4. I don't think they really associate with the other gods though beyond maybe Vashtor/ Hashut as Artifice (although that works for slaanesh and tzeentch too). Myriad are the gods of chaos Xin Ceithan 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted March 17, 2023 Author Share Posted March 17, 2023 Thanks for shunting this over the the realm, this is the right place for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamiel Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 On 3/15/2023 at 8:16 PM, Xenith said: Ravenous Dissolution - The Horned Rat / Malice Encroaching Ruin - Samus "Encroaching Ruin" could fit the The Horned Rat also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonreaper666 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Abbadon-Drach'nyen for Encroaching Ruin-Ravenous Dissolution It is possible that Abaddon and Drach'nyen fuse together to become a Chaos God similar to Archaon/Droghar Spoiler Abaddon is the Dark King and current Everchosen since Horus failed Be'lakor-Vashtorr for Formless Distortion-Malevolent Artificer Primordial Annihilator is Chaos Undivided, the Eight-Point Star, signifying the countless ways Chaos works against its targets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Ming Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 All hail hashut Xin Ceithan and Xenith 1 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonreaper666 Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 On 3/23/2023 at 1:35 PM, Emperor Ming said: All hail hashut Now that the Space Dwarfs and Chaos Space Dwarfs are here it should happen But Hashut is a Minor Chaos God like Malice Emperor Ming 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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