MasterDeath Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Its not the vanguard Treatment. Its the Chaos Treatment. We play that way for months now, its Not that bad, calm down. Iron Father Ferrum, Wolf Guard Dan, Maschinenpriester and 2 others 2 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SvenIronhand Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 I'm fortunate in that my Greymanes are a successor, and therefore I can use the SM Index... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraithwing Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 It seems that the nerf bat has being swung hard on the non-primaris chapter specific units. Starlight_Wolf, Overkill and Bulwyf 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlight_Wolf Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 12 minutes ago, Wraithwing said: It seems that the nerf bat has being swung hard on the non-primaris chapter specific units. Does this mean there's potential for primaris versions of said units down the line, a la BT Crusader squad? If so Primaris sized TWC would be quite something (unless just the rider bulks up and the mount stays roughly the same) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 I honestly don't expect a wolf codex until the end of 10th frankly. I'd be happy to be wrong. ZeroWolf and Starlight_Wolf 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamulot Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 I agree that the Heirloom weapon treatment is similar to Accursed weapons. However, Wulfen and Thunderwolves have no ability to take Power fists or other melee weapons. A CSM terminator squad can be kitted with multiple PF/CF and Chosen can take PF. That is a major difference. Bulwyf, Starlight_Wolf, Wolf Guard Dan and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnivore Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 I seriously doubt this will even ping on most anyone else’s radar, but I’m gutted they knocked my favorite character, Arjac Rockfist, down to a generic S8 from his mighty S10. I hate when they can’t just let characterful stuff be. He wasn’t game-breaking, but I loved his uniqueness and the fact that every now and again his strength and special attack caught someone by surprise and did something epic. He can still throw his hammer, that’s something, but it’s just basic thunder hammer strength now. Doesn’t really fit the fluff of the biggest and strongest Firstborn Space Wolf/Space Marine in the current setting. Starlight_Wolf 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apokalypsi Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Carnivore said: I seriously doubt this will even ping on most anyone else’s radar, but I’m gutted they knocked my favorite character, Arjac Rockfist, down to a generic S8 from his mighty S10. I hate when they can’t just let characterful stuff be. He wasn’t game-breaking, but I loved his uniqueness and the fact that every now and again his strength and special attack caught someone by surprise and did something epic. He can still throw his hammer, that’s something, but it’s just basic thunder hammer strength now. Doesn’t really fit the fluff of the biggest and strongest Firstborn Space Wolf/Space Marine in the current setting. Oof, that's rough. I didn't even notice that. They really are stripping our hammers down to just sticks. Starlight_Wolf and Carnivore 1 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Creature Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 This is really bad. Starlight_Wolf, Toxichobbit, Bulwyf and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apokalypsi Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 I also just noticed the single LC option is completely gone from everything. It's dual or nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verevolf Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 I love that a Space wolf Lieutenant/Wolfguard battle leader can't join any Space wolf specific units.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 (edited) Wulfen even lost frost claws The shooting of Stormwolf's has been shot to pieces Blood Claws have to be in units of 10 or more Murderfang needs an FAQ Harald lost outflank Pleasantly surprised we got WGPL Wulfen Dreads look good Ragnar looks flexible Long Fangs got rr 1s Edited June 12, 2023 by Dark Shepherd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squark Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 56 minutes ago, MasterDeath said: Its not the vanguard Treatment. Its the Chaos Treatment. We play that way for months now, its Not that bad, calm down. Not really. Chaos get two choices, which means the unit can have multiple roles. And Acured weapons are noticably stronger than the glorified chainswords heirloom weapons are. Kallas, Oxydo and Starlight_Wolf 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Focslain Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 8 minutes ago, Verevolf said: I love that a Space wolf Lieutenant/Wolfguard battle leader can't join any Space wolf specific units.. They can, for the Blood Claw/Grey Hunters the leader has to be able to join an Assault squad, with the LTs can. Valerian 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verevolf Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Focslain said: They can, for the Blood Claw/Grey Hunters the leader has to be able to join an Assault squad, with the LTs can. Where does it say that? Oh I see it it's on the unit. Edited June 12, 2023 by Verevolf Focslain 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metzombie Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 20 minutes ago, Dark Shepherd said: Murderfang needs an FAQ Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blurf Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 This is the one index I've seen so far that I absolutely don't begrudge it's players for having a problem with. It's...not good. None of the Spacewolf specific units are that great, and their army rule is MUCH worse than the standard marine rule. Maybe SW are supposed to be horde army now and wulfen and thunderwolf cav are like 18ppm? DemonGSides, Starlight_Wolf, Dark Legionnare and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnvilofFenris Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 I quite like that the enhancements help achieve the sagas. Majesty= Pelt of the Balewolf (battle shock opponents units, drop their OC, take the objective) Warrior Born= Frost weapon (Precision to pick out characters from units) Beastslayer=Black death (for bonuses BA monsters/vehicles) Bear= Wolf tail talisman (let’s you tinker with damage to get that below half wounds/not dead balance) Might help trigger those sagas with appropriately equipped characters and then unlock those strategem bonuses Valerian 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ehfull Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 (edited) The worst thing for me is the loss of capacity to control the fight. No more spell for fight last, no special HI, no russ armor, no fight first some where in our index. This and the fact we fight far worst than other fighty SM, are the nails in our play style, imo. Edited June 12, 2023 by Ehfull Triszin and Starlight_Wolf 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Well Ragnar and Bjorn seem good the rest seems rough though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medicinal Carrots Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Gladius does seem to be the better detachment for Wolves. You lose out on some flavor, but you're still at least as good as Codex marines and potentially better that way. Valerian and Arbedark 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squark Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 2 hours ago, SvenIronhand said: I'm fortunate in that my Greymanes are a successor, and therefore I can use the SM Index... I mean, everyone can use the Space Marine index. GW has been pretty clear about that. Valerian 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medicinal Carrots Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Just now, Squark said: I mean, everyone can use the Space Marine index. GW has been pretty clear about that. Indeed. Space Wolves are still Space Marines Plus, they're just not Space Marines Plus+ like some of the other divergent chapters. Arbedark 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 If wolf guard termis use a shield and ranged weapon they can't melee Squark, Dark Legionnare and Jaipii 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterAO Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Quote ■ For every 5 models in this unit, one Wolf Guard Terminator can replace its power fist and storm bolter with one of the following: ◦ 1 assault cannon ◦ 1 heavy flamer ◦ 1 storm bolter and 1 cyclone missile launcher If you give a wolf guard terminator a heavy weapon, they loose their power fist. Dark Legionnare, Sea Creature and Squark 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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