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[Lord Marshal]

Titanicus' pricing is kind of all over the place. Three Questoris Knights are £27 RRP, but four Cerastus' are £45. I'm not even going to mention the Armigers. However the big block of resin that is the Dire Wolf 'only' comes in at £37, which kind of surprised everyone. 

 

Aeronautica's a bit better. The Medium aircraft like Thunderbolts are £30 for four, which is probably around where I'd guess the medium-large tanks like the Sicaran, Kratos, Malcador, etc will end up. I can see Super-Heavies like the Baneblades and Fellblades being closer to the Marauder Bombers (two for £30). Solar Auxilia will probably get one extra in a lot of cases, but whether that effects the price or not (Marines being the obvious money maker) we'll have to see.

 

Interestingly, the Thunderbolts and Fire Raptors have gone "No Longer Available Online" on GW's store. Repacking incoming? 

[Valkyrion]

Apologies if this has already been mentioned - am I to assume this will play a lot like 8th edition Apocalypse, with the same sort of blast marker damage system?

[Marshal Rohr]

The prices are not all over the place, they’re perfectly consistent with how GW prices stuff. 4 Cerastus is 80 Dollars because it is in that troops box, with a duplicated single sprue. Lancers are a single sprue, in a thin troops box, so 35 dollars. Quaestoris knights are a single sprue plus a supplementary character sprue, in a thin troops box, so that comes out to 45, the difference between the Lancers and Quaestoris being that additional character sprue. Porphyrion are 60 because it’s two single sprues in one box. It’s the same way all of the Heresy releases have been and it’s the same way all of the Epic releases will be. 

Edited July 3, 2023 by Marshal Rohr

[Scribe]

35 minutes ago, Lord Marshal said:

Interestingly, the Thunderbolts and Fire Raptors have gone "No Longer Available Online" on GW's store. Repacking incoming? 

 

Same as a bunch of the Titanicus stuff. GW really needs to get this stuff updated/fixed/clarified.

[CL_Mission]

1 hour ago, Lord Marshal said:

Interestingly, the Thunderbolts and Fire Raptors have gone "No Longer Available Online" on GW's store. Repacking incoming? 

Perhaps with simple round bases more suitable for this game rather than the hexagonal ones for Aeronautica?

[Captain Idaho]

3 hours ago, Sword Brother Adelard said:

Can I make a request that someone splits this topic into the rumours part before the announcement and a new thread once it's known?

 

Good idea and done.

[Sete]

The fact that we have auxilia makes it so much better. I will be joining on this fun.

[Scribe]

A unified rule set with the planes, titans, marines and humans...man I hope it picks up here.

[Petitioner's City]

But if it had orks and eldar and tau and necrons and nids and votann (imagine, land trains!), do you think it would pick up more easily more broadly?

[Scribe]

4 minutes ago, Petitioner's City said:

But if it had orks and eldar and tau and necrons and nids and votann (imagine, land trains!), do you think it would pick up more easily more broadly?

 

Yes.

 

Do I also believe GW has the will or desire to invest as such (lets look at the release of Votann, and World Eaters as most recent examples)...no.

 

GW cannot keep extremely basic things in stock on their Canadian site. It has put me off from buying into multiple games. I dont image they have the desire or ability to support "40K but its Epic" right now.

 

EDIT: To illustrate, I may or may not have bought a bunch of Knights yesterday. (I did). If I wanted to Order online? Nope. So how? I had to go to 4 FLGS, 100's of KM apart, to find them in a shop. Nobody else has the stock.

 

Titanicus? Nope, nothing. Literally nothing.

 

Now, there is probably some online shop that has stuff, but if I cannot support a local option, I generally will go to GW, or just wont buy at all.

 

A massive release of all the 40K factions in Epic size isnt going to do their release schedule which is already releasing stuff every week, any favours.

Edited July 3, 2023 by Scribe

[Arkangilos]

45 minutes ago, Scribe said:

 

Yes.

 

Do I also believe GW has the will or desire to invest as such (lets look at the release of Votann, and World Eaters as most recent examples)...no.

 

GW cannot keep extremely basic things in stock on their Canadian site. It has put me off from buying into multiple games. I dont image they have the desire or ability to support "40K but its Epic" right now.

 

EDIT: To illustrate, I may or may not have bought a bunch of Knights yesterday. (I did). If I wanted to Order online? Nope. So how? I had to go to 4 FLGS, 100's of KM apart, to find them in a shop. Nobody else has the stock.

 

Titanicus? Nope, nothing. Literally nothing.

 

Now, there is probably some online shop that has stuff, but if I cannot support a local option, I generally will go to GW, or just wont buy at all.

 

A massive release of all the 40K factions in Epic size isnt going to do their release schedule which is already releasing stuff every week, any favours.

Another reason they need to license out 3D models for 3D printing for people that subscribe to Warhammer+.
 

I would easily pay 20 dollars a month all year every year if it meant I could print 8mm Mk IV models and titans for Epic.

 

I would instantly buy the rule book, too.

[Lord Marshal]

2 hours ago, Petitioner's City said:

But if it had orks and eldar and tau and necrons and nids and votann (imagine, land trains!), do you think it would pick up more easily more broadly?

 

The vast majority of people would still be playing Marines - especially as the mainstay of their initial collection. I reckon it would help, but not nearly as much as some people think. I think the amount of people who want Xenos so their Imperials can fight them outnumbers the people who would actually collect said Xenos.

 

If they later expanded into 40k I'd not complain though.

 

Edited July 3, 2023 by Lord Marshal

[spessmarine]

I think this snippet from earlier explains a lot.

 

A fully supported system with all 40k factions would be a massive undertaking. And of course, not all factions would be very popular.

So HH mirror matches let them get a system running for the lowest model investment possible, given this is Specialist Games they are working with less resources. Gotta say, it makes sense to roll with HH for the setting.

Hm, I feel like some aliens would be popular enough that it'd be a worthwhile inclusion. Specifically Orks, they'd fit no matter the setting too.

 

14 hours ago, Petitioner's City said:

[Petitioner's City]

35 minutes ago, spessmarine said:

I think this snippet from earlier explains a lot.

 

A fully supported system with all 40k factions would be a massive undertaking. And of course, not all factions would be very popular.

So HH mirror matches let them get a system running for the lowest model investment possible, given this is Specialist Games they are working with less resources. Gotta say, it makes sense to roll with HH for the setting.

Hm, I feel like some aliens would be popular enough that it'd be a worthwhile inclusion. Specifically Orks, they'd fit no matter the setting too.

 

 

Given I quoted the above, I fully understand what Hewitt said and it's something I've said also to friends who hope for the Xenos future. 

 

Also to answer my own question, to an extent, putting in Xenos didn't seem to help AI - and soon those Xenos and Chaos planes will vanish as miniatures once AI is put to pasture. 

 

It's a shame because the resource sink is huge for GW (the moulds especially), but the 3d market has shown that small producers can already do so much work, on the other aspects - namely physical design. But SG is severely overstretched, and successful design isn't a simple a to b journey, so it's less likely they have capacity.

[DuskRaider]

I’m quite curious to see what they come up with in regards to terrain. I know they mentioned that they’re re-releasing Titanicus buildings but I have to wonder what else they’ll create (other than damaged versions of the Titanicus buildings). 
 

This is probably going to motivate me to finish my AT Realm of Battle board that’s been sitting for years now with just a base coat. I really hope what they do release matches the aesthetic of the board as well. Hopefully they’ll consider new tiles too. 

[Noserenda]

Im pretty confident a full 40k Epic would sell well, marines were never as popular in that scale as they were in 40k for whatever reason (Thats probably a thread to itself) though id guess the spectacle of a Guard or ork army at smaller scale is so much more impressive and the minis so easy to paint en masse :D 

But it would require a consummate investment and thats something GW has been shy about doing with anything but the big two games for years, and i think rightfully now they are entering into an extensive and mature third party market, they cant wait around to do Eldar or Orks, they will be worrying about the bleeding sales the whole time.

Personally i feel like it would return on investment buy GW has been fairly conservative over the years with things like this, and it works for them, i doubt its going to change anytime soon.

[Naryn]

2 hours ago, Petitioner's City said:

 

Given I quoted the above, I fully understand what Hewitt said and it's something I've said also to friends who hope for the Xenos future. 

 

Also to answer my own question, to an extent, putting in Xenos didn't seem to help AI - and soon those Xenos and Chaos planes will vanish as miniatures once AI is put to pasture. 

 

It's a shame because the resource sink is huge for GW (the moulds especially), but the 3d market has shown that small producers can already do so much work, on the other aspects - namely physical design. But SG is severely overstretched, and successful design isn't a simple a to b journey, so it's less likely they have capacity.

Personally I never got into AI specifically because they never released Chaos planes for it. But I got into Titanicus when they released the Cerastus knights for it, because I wanted to represent my 40k Knight army. When I started playing Necrons, I wanted to try AI because it had Necron planes--only to find that lack of support made it impossible to get the starter set or rulebook. If GW supported the one like they supported the other, I'd play all three systems. As it is, the one they don't expand is the one fewer people pick up.

[DuskRaider]

I always found it odd that GW never released a Chaos force for Aeronautica, especially considering the older FW version most certainly had a Chaos faction and some pretty nice (while unfortunately very few) models for the range. 

Edited July 4, 2023 by DuskRaider

[Noserenda]

Aeronautica did get taken out back and kneecapped by the Covid epidemic, which i think explains its disjointed releases, production issues and weird lack of popularity despite being a fun little (admittedly a bit shallow) game. Its a weirdly enduring memory for me that our group got together and did a trial night we all enjoyed, only for lockdown to stop that dead in its tracks :( 
 

[Urauloth]

15 minutes ago, DuskRaider said:

I always found it odd that GW never released a Chaos force for Aeronautica, especially considering the older FW version most certainly had a Chaos faction and some pretty nice (while unfortunately very few) models for the range. 

This is the saddest thing to me, because I like AI and I was really hoping to see hellblades and hell talons for it. The game is probably dead now, and with LI being heresy-era we're not going to get those.

[DuskRaider]

10 minutes ago, Urauloth said:

This is the saddest thing to me, because I like AI and I was really hoping to see hellblades and hell talons for it. The game is probably dead now, and with LI being heresy-era we're not going to get those.

Exactly. I vividly remember the old FW AI (or whatever theirs was called) Blades, Talons, Dreadclaws and the big one that I can’t remember the name of anymore. They even had a cool mini version of their old Anphelion Base too. 
 

A little off topic but is it all but confirmed that AT is basically defunct? I was hoping they were going all the way up to the Siege of Terra and they hadn’t even made rules for my Knight House yet, which is very odd considering it was one of the first to be shown alongside Vyronii. 

[Marshal Rohr]

Aeronautica came out at the end of that brief golden age of Warhammer Twitch with all the rad hang outs and games and interviews. It was really ‘taking off’ (pardon the pun) but Covid certainly did kill AI (and good Warhammer content). 

[Urauloth]

55 minutes ago, DuskRaider said:

A little off topic but is it all but confirmed that AT is basically defunct?

Not confirmed, but it seems likely. I'd expect to see the models for it pulled and repackaged with the new bases anytime now. I'll be surprised if they keep it going. I hope they do, though.

[Felix Antipodes]

54 minutes ago, DuskRaider said:

Exactly. I vividly remember the old FW AI (or whatever theirs was called) Blades, Talons, Dreadclaws and the big one that I can’t remember the name of anymore. They even had a cool mini version of their old Anphelion Base too. 
 

A little off topic but is it all but confirmed that AT is basically defunct? I was hoping they were going all the way up to the Siege of Terra and they hadn’t even made rules for my Knight House yet, which is very odd considering it was one of the first to be shown alongside Vyronii. 

Imho I believe we’ve seen the last of AT & AI as standalone games.  The kits are already starting to disappear off the website, most likely for rebranding under the Legiones Imperialis brand.

I have some of the Imperial AI stuff, but I know if I will go to LI.  Not sure if I want to invest in another game in another scale.  My old eyes have enough issues with normal scale without attempting Epic scale 

[spessmarine]

1 hour ago, Noserenda said:

Aeronautica did get taken out back and kneecapped by the Covid epidemic, which i think explains its disjointed releases, production issues and weird lack of popularity despite being a fun little (admittedly a bit shallow) game. Its a weirdly enduring memory for me that our group got together and did a trial night we all enjoyed, only for lockdown to stop that dead in its tracks :( 
 

 

Feel like them pivoting it towards being a HH game with

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/07/28/conquer-the-skies-in-the-age-of-darkness-with-horus-heresy-aeronautica-imperialis/

was downstream of AI doing not so good and them deciding to roll it into Epic.

AI not doing so well feels like it might have closed the door for 40k epic scale, at least, for now.