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[sitnam]

2 minutes ago, SkimaskMohawk said:

 

Maybe they shouldn't have made the defining selling point of the traitor legion rules the corruptions then? 

 

That's like them never making the psy titan for loyalists.

*Shrug* I’m an outsider to AT, I was just going off my observations of AI and AT. It seems that all the plastic releases (which the psy titan isnt) have been intentionally left faction agnostic. Same for 30k really

[Warmaster1988]

32 minutes ago, Joe said:

 

This is largely due to the fact that the Predator will have been built using the CADs from the 28mm model as the basis, dramatically scaled down and altered to better fit the new scale. This is how they did it with Adeptus Titanicus, and how they'll be doing it with Legions Imperialis.

 

Consequently, this means they've designed 28mm CADs for the Aethon Heavy Sentinel, the wider Solar Auxilia infantry, the Leman Russ and the Malcador, for example.

 

They also redesigned the Mk3 in 28mm as already teased, so it's possible we get also different Armour Marks for Epic.

Edited July 4, 2023 by Warmaster1988

[Petitioner's City]

43 minutes ago, Joe said:

 

This is largely due to the fact that the Predator will have been built using the CADs from the 28mm model as the basis, dramatically scaled down and altered to better fit the new scale. This is how they did it with Adeptus Titanicus, and how they'll be doing it with Legions Imperialis.

 

Consequently, this means they've designed 28mm CADs for the Aethon Heavy Sentinel, the wider Solar Auxilia infantry, the Leman Russ and the Malcador, for example.

 

I honestly don't think you can say that about the infantry - they are so alien from one another 

 

 

 

And while that metaphor of shrinkage may have worked as a metaphor, I do think for infantry it doesn't quite work - and i am not sure this even describes creating a 28mm model as such?

 

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James: All of it was done with coordinates. He’d tap a thing, lean back and look at the screen, tap a thing and look at the screen. It was insane. 

[Lupe laughs hysterically]

The guy is some form of wizard. He’d spent ages debigulating the titans. The reason the first two things that came out for Titanicus were the Knights and the Warlord is because they were CAD designed kits.

Lupe: So the conversion was miles easier?

James: It still took about three months because you have to scale them down in the software and then amend all the details – detail has to be more prominent on smaller models. The Reaver and Warhound were even bigger jobs – he had a pair of calipers and the 28mm model kits, and would measure every angle and every distance, which as you can imagine took forever. So his job was incredibly intensive. 

 

But maybe this could apply to infantry, but wouldn't it just be better to intentionally design a 9mm model with a giant lasrifle and minimised blocky details - solar auxilia are such intricate models at 28mm. 

 

Edit: found this wonderful description of Chris's words on Facers

 

 

But again I'm not sure this applies to infantry? 

Edited July 4, 2023 by Petitioner's City

[Noserenda]

Yeah you dont shrink or grow a model's cad design directly, it requires the work to make the model still work at a different scale, so its entirely possible they only have 8mm versions of the new stuff so far for example (Though really id expect both to have been done as design work is typically quicker than production) rather than 32mm versions.

And yeah, full rules for corrupt titans but no models, its possible they planned it that way but it feels less likely these days. Bear in mind by the time of the Siege, corrupt traitor titans are the common ones and "pure" traitors the exception, and thats still 30k :D 

[Darnok]

45 minutes ago, SkimaskMohawk said:

Maybe they shouldn't have made the defining selling point of the traitor legion rules the corruptions then? 

 

That's like them never making the psy titan for loyalists.

 

Corruption never was the "selling point" for the Traitor Legions, and neither was the psi-titans for Loyalists. Both things were on brand for their part, and kind of expected to be represented in the game at some point - but the main sales pitch for AT is, and always has been, basic titan-on-titan warfare (with Knight support).

 

Having said that: I do hope we get some actual corrupted miniatures for LI sooner rather than later.

[spessmarine]

Adding some real chaos presence, to be limited by the setting's time, and some xenos, orks and/or eldar, is something I hope to see.

Understandable that big ranges for epic scale is hard so I'm hoping for enough to make most people content 

[Noserenda]

1 hour ago, Darnok said:

 

Corruption never was the "selling point" for the Traitor Legions, and neither was the psi-titans for Loyalists. Both things were on brand for their part, and kind of expected to be represented in the game at some point - but the main sales pitch for AT is, and always has been, basic titan-on-titan warfare (with Knight support).

 

Having said that: I do hope we get some actual corrupted miniatures for LI sooner rather than later.

Corruption is a pretty huge selling point for Traitors since it was available, its a significant difference between the factions now for a lot of people, and honestly, as someone whose first mutated titans predate those rules by a long while, its always been a consideration :D 

[SkimaskMohawk]

1 hour ago, Darnok said:

 

Corruption never was the "selling point" for the Traitor Legions, and neither was the psi-titans for Loyalists. Both things were on brand for their part, and kind of expected to be represented in the game at some point - but the main sales pitch for AT is, and always has been, basic titan-on-titan warfare (with Knight support).

 

Having said that: I do hope we get some actual corrupted miniatures for LI sooner rather than later.

 

For rules reasons to pick Loyalist or Traitors for your allegiance? Absolutely the selling points, though psytitans share it with the vortex missiles. The corruptions are such a huge rules draw that they've cut off taking a lot of custom legion stuff in conjunction because it was just so good.

 

And what's there to disagree about the rules disparity lol. It's a fact that there's a wide gap of options and combos that are only available to traitors and...people are very aware of it; it's been 2 years.

Edited July 4, 2023 by SkimaskMohawk

[Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla]

2 hours ago, DuskRaider said:

They made rules for corrupt Titans but… that was it. No supporting models, no progression on the idea, nothing. Like the idea was there and they had future plans but then just abandoned it all because… actually, I don’t know. AT sold very well, it was quite popular for a while and the only thing that slowed it down was lack of support in the way of unavailable resources and no new models… or the ones that they did release were FW only and ridiculously expensive. Just look at the Armigers. What a joke. 

 

Here's their answer to lack of other Titan patterns from 4 years ago, which may hint at their reasoning in this case as well:

If we’re making a Lucius pattern Warlord, then we’re not making something else.

They have better things to do and are not interested in expanding the range beyond the plain Mars pattern.

 

[irlLordy]

All the AI xenos planes, and valkyres/vultures have gone last chance to buy on the GW and FW sites. I guess this is the end of AI as a supported product in its own right.

 

Interestingly the Custodes flier is still available, so that might imply some support for Custodes in LI.

[Scribe]

7 minutes ago, irlLordy said:

All the AI xenos planes, and valkyres/vultures have gone last chance to buy on the GW and FW sites. I guess this is the end of AI as a supported product in its own right.

 

Interestingly the Custodes flier is still available, so that might imply some support for Custodes in LI.

 

Gross. I guess I need to prioritize Titanicus while I can...

[sitnam]

You know, after complaining that I want it to be 40k, I'm starting to soften up a bit. I still have no interest in Space Marine or Titan Legions (neither is to my liking) BUT I do have a decent aeronautica collection, I like Knight Households, and I love Malcadors tanks. So I likely will won't participate in the release box, but ill keep an eye out and make a force of stuff I like. Honestly just add some chimeras and basilisks and I'm getting tempted to run a Knight Household with vassal troops 

 

Still like to see xenos (and SoB) but the only way that'll happen is if the game succeeds

 

[Interrogator Stobz]

Although I said I think IA19 and AT18 will go, I don't think that will be immediately, at least not for AT18.

Probably just phased out over several years as LI23 picks up the slack.

Because if LI23 doesn't become the stellar platform for epic scale Titan battles that we all expect then AT18 is still there making GeeDub money.

 

Hell this is GeeDub we're discussing; LI23 could have crap rules that just don't play well, have too limited Knight&Titan options, and/or have massive balance issues. 

I doubt it as their specialist games tend to be better than 40k but we haven't seen anything about them yet.

[prava]

Do we have any idea how this game plays? I have never touched EPIC (nor aeronautica nor Titanicus) so im absolutely at a loss here. Historically, did it have any resemblance with 40K?

[Interrogator Stobz]

There are a tonne of possibilities Brother.

It could be like a scaled down Apocalypse. 

It could be a simplified Titanicus to avoid all the awesome damage, movement and arc complexity. 

It could be like one of the older Epic rulesets but refreshed.

One thing it probably won't be is anything like 40k.

Well we do know weapon templates are in, Awesome!!! but no sign of AT18 arc templates.

[sitnam]

1 hour ago, irlLordy said:

All the AI xenos planes, and valkyres/vultures have gone last chance to buy on the GW and FW sites. I guess this is the end of AI as a supported product in its own right.

 

That really sucks. I know it didn’t catch on well, but they are really fun little miniatures. All I wanted were  some Chaos AI stuff and  baby Stormtalons

 

This kind of kills my hopes of jumping into LI, as the only real reason I’d do so is in the hopes it’s successful enough to jump timelines eventually

[Lord Marshal]

Worth noting that the 30k rulebook for AI isn't Last Chance To Buy. It might be they're just squatting the 40k element? So Titanicus might be safe for now. but that's just me being optimistic. 

[Colman]

40 minutes ago, Lord Marshal said:

It might be they're just squatting the 40k element?

I thought they’d pretty clearly done that last year, when I was getting into AI with the Heresy stuff. 

[Colman]

1 hour ago, Interrogator Stobz said:

 

Well we do know weapon templates are in, Awesome!!! but no sign of AT18 arc templates.

I should hope not: your one hope of keeping AT alive is that it’s a simulation of piloting titans, while in LI titans are just weapons platforms that work the same (more or less) as any other vehicle. 

[MithrilForge]

2 hours ago, irlLordy said:

All the AI xenos planes, and valkyres/vultures have gone last chance to buy on the GW and FW sites. I guess this is the end of AI as a supported product in its own right.

 

Interestingly the Custodes flier is still available, so that might imply some support for Custodes in LI.

Sad Panda...  Although i do have at least one unit of every flyer, i'd like some more Valk's before they go!! 

At least the imperial planes for 30K ( heresy era) are nice models, And at least they made the Thunderhawk - i might have to finish painting it now as I would assume that model will see a bit of use as a transport in LI since there have been no ground transports shown yet, it would be real cool & thematic to have a T-Hawk fly across the map and deposit some troops on an Hot LZ objective... then give covering fire... Just before a Titan blows it to hell . 

Also Xiphons are a cool model to build and paint as well, I really hope that AI blends into LI well .

 

M.       

[Orion]

3 hours ago, Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla said:

 

Here's their answer to lack of other Titan patterns from 4 years ago, which may hint at their reasoning in this case as well:

If we’re making a Lucius pattern Warlord, then we’re not making something else.

They have better things to do and are not interested in expanding the range beyond the plain Mars pattern.

 

 

A lot of people could learn from this.

People want things updated every few years, aesthetic variations, taller marines, something remade in plastic, or a new faction or boxed game.

"GW would make so much if they made...." But there is always an opportunity cost. And stiff competition for plastic.

 

Resin has a much lower barrier to entry for niche models. Which is why a lot of cool creative projects and patterns/variants have come out of the sister studio.

 

(Pls bring back imperial armour.)

[Urauloth]

Really sad to see AI die. I wanted to get some Tau, but that's never going to happen now.

 

The more I think about it, the more Mk VI seems like an odd choice for LI. I get why they used it for the Age of Darkness box (because they'd just made a new upscaled kit) but IV or V would make more sense here where they aren't tied to the 40k-sized model range. It would make it easier to theme your armies and battles around a wider variety of famous events in the Heresy, for sure. Maybe we're seeing even more retroactive creep of Mk VI though, who knows. Otherwise you kinda have to play fast and loose with the timeline, commit to converting a a tiny scale, or restrict yourself to the late war.

[MegaVolt87]

31 minutes ago, Urauloth said:

Really sad to see AI die. I wanted to get some Tau, but that's never going to happen now.

 

The more I think about it, the more Mk VI seems like an odd choice for LI. I get why they used it for the Age of Darkness box (because they'd just made a new upscaled kit) but IV or V would make more sense here where they aren't tied to the 40k-sized model range. It would make it easier to theme your armies and battles around a wider variety of famous events in the Heresy, for sure. Maybe we're seeing even more retroactive creep of Mk VI though, who knows. Otherwise you kinda have to play fast and loose with the timeline, commit to converting a a tiny scale, or restrict yourself to the late war.

 

Being all mk VI, the advantage is that they can open the door anytime and port to 40k marines for the power armour infantry, tanks and flyers straight away if they chose. Same with the mk VI lead and the HH tanks, but something went wrong there and the HH mainline tanks went to legends instead of being cross sold.... 

Edited July 5, 2023 by MegaVolt87

[Petitioner's City]

Some fun news from Nico Bassanese, sculptor of the Lunar Auxilia and other models

 

 

 

[Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla]

6 hours ago, JayJapanB said:

 

A lot of people could learn from this.

People want things updated every few years, aesthetic variations, taller marines, something remade in plastic, or a new faction or boxed game.

"GW would make so much if they made...." But there is always an opportunity cost. And stiff competition for plastic.

 

Resin has a much lower barrier to entry for niche models. Which is why a lot of cool creative projects and patterns/variants have come out of the sister studio.

 

(Pls bring back imperial armour.)

 

I disagree. If your game is two exactly the same armies fighting against each other, providing people with as much customization options as possible should be priority a and in Titanicus on top of that you have very few models on board. The already limited by sticking with Heresy  playerbase gets even more limited.