Legions Imperialis Legions Imperialis

[jaxom]

2 hours ago, BolterZorro said:

In short, the weapon types are: anti infantry, anti armor , blast (and maybe something in the middle) as it always has been calling it laser, melta, rocket etc... is just to give some game taste.

I wonder if they’ll be taking a page from Apocalypse and each weapon type has an anti-infantry profile and an anti-tank profile. That would give some nice design space for the spectrum of weapons.

[Doctor Perils]

Do you think they might do some kind of jetbike company too? Perhaps with Land speeders instead of tactical support squads - at least I suspect jetbikers may come earlier than siege companies since they've been released in 28mm scale already

Edited July 12, 2023 by Doctor Perils

[Marshal Rohr]

I think they’ll do a pack of Jetbikes and Javelins then Outriders and Land Speeders

[Valkyrion]

They made mention of 'niche' units being in resin. Are we expecting every generic Legiones Astartes units to be available in plastic (basically everything up to and including the Lord of War section of 30k LA books), or does niche cover such as Rapiers, Seekers and Deredeos?

[Matcap86]

I'd say anything that can only be used by 1 legion will be resin. Seeing as they're even moving niche titan classes into plastic. 

[Mechanicus Tech-Support]

Maybe Primarchs since you only need one (of each ) 

[FarvegNugan]

On 7/10/2023 at 5:04 AM, Marshal Rohr said:

40K Marines are as inappropriate for Epic as Eldar. Legions on the other hand, were designed to be deployed in large engagements. Every game of Epic with 40K space marines is an apocalyptic event. Every game of Epic with 30K space marines is a Tuesday. 

 

 

    I've played epic since 2e and I need to stop you now. How big do you think craftwoekds are? How small a population do you think they have? A small craft world is the size of France. With a population in the tens of millions. A big craft world is the size of North America and has hundreds of millions. Compared to even the tau that's tiny, but the eldar would and do engage in large engagements. The craftworld mymeara and eldar war on Tallarn come to mind. 

 

      They can did and do field massive hosts. Most recently on vigilus. Yes they prefer to do a surgical strike but they are absolutely prepared to wage full scale warfare. 

 

      If a small craft world is ten million, thats at least a million potential guardians, then wraith constructs, then aspect warriors as specialists and they do field huge armour hosts and they have their own titan legions. The vast majority of iyanden deaths were in battle and it was hundreds of million dead .iyanden was massive, in fact the biggest craftworld before the Tyranids. 

 

     Eldar would easily fit in epic, the mymeara supplement recanonised the old falcon tank. 

 

       They had smaller armies of way better stuff in epic. Like space marines. They would absolutely fit. 

 

   Space marines routinely engage in battles with a full company and support from other companies, large armour hosts, whole land Raider detechmrnts and companies. Multiple predator Vindicator and whirlwind detachments or companies etc. They routinely engage in epic scale conflict in the fluff as well. 

 

    Every army fits in epic. 

Edited July 12, 2023 by FarvegNugan

[Marshal Rohr]

44 minutes ago, FarvegNugan said:

 

 

    I've played epic since 2e and I need to stop you now. How big do you think craftwoekds are? How small a population do you think they have? A small craft world is the size of France. With a population in the tens of millions. A big craft world is the size of North America and has hundreds of millions. Compared to even the tau that's tiny, but the eldar would and do engage in large engagements. The craftworld mymeara and eldar war on Tallarn come to mind. 

 

      They can did and do field massive hosts. Most recently on vigilus. Yes they prefer to do a surgical strike but they are absolutely prepared to wage full scale warfare. 

 

      If a small craft world is ten million, thats at least a million potential guardians, then wraith constructs, then aspect warriors as specialists and they do field huge armour hosts and they have their own titan legions. The vast majority of iyanden deaths were in battle and it was hundreds of million dead .iyanden was massive, in fact the biggest craftworld before the Tyranids. 

 

     Eldar would easily fit in epic, the mymeara supplement recanonised the old falcon tank. 

 

       They had smaller armies of way better stuff in epic. Like space marines. They would absolutely fit. 

 

   Space marines routinely engage in battles with a full company and support from other companies, large armour hosts, whole land Raider detechmrnts and companies. Multiple predator Vindicator and whirlwind detachments or companies etc. They routinely engage in epic scale conflict in the fluff as well. 

 

    Every army fits in epic. 

Thank you for providing evidence for my point. Iyanden is a perfect example of how rarely Eldar gather in massive warhosts and the context for that was the apocalyptic invasion of their homeworld. Also the Falcon never went away  it’s in the online store, right now. 

[apologist]

Large as Epic conflicts are in comparison to 40k, they’re still not huge – I think even 1,000 actual individual models would be an exceptionally large game.

 

I think it’s entirely reasonable for any faction in 40k to appear in Epic.

[Brother Lunkhead]

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By now we all know that there will be no Xeno factions for Legions Imperialis for at least the near future. Fraters have voiced their opinions both pro and con, so let's move along and focus our comments on what we know is coming out.

 

Captain Idaho has posted a thread concerning Xeno factions for Legions Imperialis here. For anyone wishing to continue this discussion, it's a great place to start

 

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[Lord Marshal]

Heresy Thursday tomorrow and we know we're seeing something. Time to hedge your bets.

 

Rhinos? Land Raiders? Spartans? Something for 28mm Heresy? 

[Interrogator Stobz]

....and some Solar Aux tanks or artillery too.

Basilisk?

[BolterZorro]

Some units are mandatory close to the launch period: rhino and land raider (transports!!!), fast units (jetbikes/bikes landspeeders etc.. thoose can pretty much be on the same sprues)

dependinf on how things are sprayed on sprues, rhinos sprue can be multi tanks on the same chassis.

And same goes for the equivalent troops for auxilia.

 

Later they can add some more tanks and/or chassis with multi options and of course the other walkers (leviathan, deredeo....)

[ccnick22]

I don't think we will start seeing units outside the launch box until closer to release.  My guess is maybe terrain, an article on how it plays, or an article giving a closer look at some of the units in the launch box.

[Black Cohort]

I think transports for both sides are necessary at or shortly after release.  If they want, things like Basilisks can be represented off table, at least initially, same with a lot of aircraft.

[MithrilForge]

I do hope (and I don't mean it in a taunting way to any frater) that the resin stuff they do bring out isn't required as a necessity to play well!?, I don't envision myself getting any resin product as (for me) the price point is usually way over valued, I hope it's like the AI releases - Standard stuff was Plastic and Obscure or (we don't think it'' sell that well) was in resin... I do understand a lot of Niche units product will be eagerly anticipated... i never played HH in 28mm, what kind of Units are we expecting to be "Niche" ... 

 

M.  

[Marshal Rohr]

2 minutes ago, Mumeishi said:

I do hope (and I don't mean it in a taunting way to any frater) that the resin stuff they do bring out isn't required as a necessity to play well!?, I don't envision myself getting any resin product as (for me) the price point is usually way over valued, I hope it's like the AI releases - Standard stuff was Plastic and Obscure or (we don't think it'' sell that well) was in resin... I do understand a lot of Niche units product will be eagerly anticipated... i never played HH in 28mm, what kind of Units are we expecting to be "Niche" ... 

 

M.  

Each legion has 2 or 3 Special Units that most people take frequently. If they bundled all the units into one sprue it would still be 18 additional plastic boxes, so those are likely to be Resin, along with the Primarchs. 

[spessmarine]

9 hours ago, Lord Marshal said:

Heresy Thursday tomorrow and we know we're seeing something. Time to hedge your bets.

 

Rhinos? Land Raiders? Spartans? Something for 28mm Heresy? 

Thinking Heresy Thursdays will be tiny for a while

[Interrogator Stobz]

So great news at my house, I've managed to rangle my wife to buy the Starter Set for my birthday in Sept... so I can start saving for the second wave goodies.

 

[apologist]

Thinking about the sprue breakdown, it seems likely that the Marine infantry will be two copies of one sprue; as will the Solar Auxilia infantry.

 

Do you think the vehicles will be split into type (i.e. a sprue purely of Predators, another of Leman Russ etc.), or larger sprues with multiple tank types (e.g. the Predators and Sicariuses on the same sprue)?

 

The former seems more likely to me, but I guess it's possible that combination sprues might be used. 

[tinpact]

Separate sprues means easy translation to standalone boxes and it's in line with Titanicus' model. On the other hand, I could also see them doing something like "Adeptus Astartes/Solar Auxilia armored company" boxes with a variety of units.

 

I think the release box at least, will have mixed sprues - the Sicarans are smaller and have less options than knights - I bet you could probably fit at least two on one of the small box sprues (which I guess could be repackaged to a set of four). If they show off Rhinos or Land Raiders tomorrow that'll give us a better idea of what to look for, since they're not in the box.

Edited July 13, 2023 by tinpact

[Urauloth]

Combination sprues would keep down the number of sprues they have to make, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them - the 3 predators and 2 sicarans in the launch box might be exactly it.

I wonder how spartans will be handled, since there's a couple of other things that use the same chassis. Maybe they'll come in a box with components to build them as typons etc, or maybe those will be FW upgrades.

[Captain Idaho]

I remember yonks ago for Epic 40K the sprues had a few Rhinos and Land Raiders alongside the various infantry sprues, which included command, Heavy weapons and Tactical troopers. 

 

I can see this being the case with these sprues. There'll be a Space Marine and a Solar Auxilia sprue in this box which includes these models. Maybe 2 of each but with 3 Predators I doubt it.

 

It's possible the 3 Predators are on the 2 Sicaran sprues for example, with the infantry separate. 

[Redcomet]

4 minutes ago, Captain Idaho said:

I remember yonks ago for Epic 40K the sprues had a few Rhinos and Land Raiders alongside the various infantry sprues, which included command, Heavy weapons and Tactical troopers. 

 

I can see this being the case with these sprues. There'll be a Space Marine and a Solar Auxilia sprue in this box which includes these models. Maybe 2 of each but with 3 Predators I doubt it.

 

It's possible the 3 Predators are on the 2 Sicaran sprues for example, with the infantry separate. 

This is what I am referring thinking. The dreads are on the infantry sprue. And the tanks on one combined

[Captain Idaho]

Basically split the Infantry down the middle or one big sprue?