Horus Heresy Exemplary Battles - The Battle for Felweather Keep

[Noserenda]

I mean, i dont think these fit the criteria but its absolutely possible to have content that is worse than not having anything, and plenty of precedent for it over the years.

[SkimaskMohawk]

I find it hilarious that someone says "maybe the people that bought into blackshields, shattered legions and armies of dark compliance seven and a half years, or daemons four and a half years ago, should have their armies supported in 2nd edition before slightly expanding knight upgrades" is getting hit with the disagree.

 

I know Petitioners City loves options for the game that expands its narrative reach, but 4 armies compared to "evil household rules" kinda adds...more.

[WrathOfTheLion]

It's still good that content is coming out, even if there's content we may prefer instead. However, those armies do need their releases. So both statements have valid points in my opinion.

Hopefully Daemons will be soon, I've been looking forward to seeing how that interacts with my Word Bearers.

[MegaVolt87]

To be fair, most of the HH exemplary battles content has had more hits than misses. It's GW remember, they all won't be winners. 

[Petitioner's City]

I think we can expect daemons the second week of October (or if there is a break, November or - yikes - December), that makes sense. 

 

I do want them, and also want blackshields and armies of dark compliance back @SkimaskMohawk - of course I do (I am continuously on the hunt for the blackshields transfer sheet for my boys too!) But equally I don't think it's wrong to appreciate new directions like these, nor understand that taking more time to make a thing is a good thing for us, as narrative, competitive or other kinds of players.

 

However we are in the fortunate position of having proxy rules for each of those forces - pick a legion for your blackshields and proxy what you need to, the ruinstorm list was a good "get you by" for daemons (especially as it wasn't specific about base sizes), and armies of dark compliance are possible through alliances. 

 

It may also be that - as all example models are painted by the time-precious Specialist game studio staff - the daemons list was delayed not just for rules, but preparation for any accompanying art work and photography too? Probably not a big reason, but one I am sure that plays some kind of role if additional models has to be made or painted for the article, rather than just the existing brutes, Samus and Khabanda. It would be nice to see converted or painted representations of all the emanations, for example. 

 

[Razorblade]

2 minutes ago, Petitioner's City said:

 However we are in the fortunate position of having proxy rules for each of those forces - pick a legion for your blackshields and proxy what you need to, the ruinstorm list was a good "get you by" for daemons (especially as it wasn't specific about base sizes), and armies of dark compliance are possible through alliances. 

Which Ruinstorm List are you talking about? 

As far as I am aware the only Ruinstorm units you can run are Brutes, Regents and the named Greater Daemons. That's a miniscule fraction of their roster and most certainly not a playable army

[Petitioner's City]

25 minutes ago, Razorblade said:

Which Ruinstorm List are you talking about? 

As far as I am aware the only Ruinstorm units you can run are Brutes, Regents and the named Greater Daemons. That's a miniscule fraction of their roster and most certainly not a playable army

 

The brutes rules, unlike the Malevolence-era list, don't specify base or model - any daemon smaller than your hq can represent a brute. My friend runs their more normal daemons and swarms as brutes, it is nice and suggests how terrifying "basic" daemons were in early heresy or how empowered they became in the later heresy. The march list was a get you by, for sure, but it does work for the range and most models in it. 

[Razorblade]

5 hours ago, Petitioner's City said:

 

The brutes rules, unlike the Malevolence-era list, don't specify base or model - any daemon smaller than your hq can represent a brute. My friend runs their more normal daemons and swarms as brutes, it is nice and suggests how terrifying "basic" daemons were in early heresy or how empowered they became in the later heresy. The march list was a get you by, for sure, but it does work for the range and most models in it. 

Yeah I wouldn't play (against) that.

Even if you do you can field 2 different units and no troops. 

The Pdf is nowhere even close to an adequate stand-in for a Ruinstorm List

[Petitioner's City]

That's fair for you @Razorblade, but honestly I just like that my friend can play their daemons - that's all that matters to us. Overall, I'd find it silly to gatekeep someone from playing when there are rules they can use that work with the models they have - yes, full list, please, and we'll have it soon.

 

But for now (and since march) brutes and regents aren't defined by a base size or model - they are elastic - so I'm just happy that any daemons player can play them using pretty much the full catalogue of possibilities you or I or they can imagine. It's imperfect, a stopgap, and soon that will change, but I'd rather be conversion and narrative friendly :) 

[SkimaskMohawk]

15 hours ago, Petitioner's City said:

nor understand that taking more time to make a thing is a good thing for us, as narrative, competitive or other kinds of players.

 

If they take the time to deliver a good set of rules I 100% agree, take the time to make it right. Will that happen? While I really hope so, that's not exactly been what's happened for most of the rules releases in 2nd, and so it's a bit hard to cross my fingers.

 

15 hours ago, Petitioner's City said:

It may also be that - as all example models are painted by the time-precious Specialist game studio staff - the daemons list was delayed not just for rules, but preparation for any accompanying art work and photography too? Probably not a big reason, but one I am sure that plays some kind of role if additional models has to be made or painted for the article, rather than just the existing brutes, Samus and Khabanda. It would be nice to see converted or painted representations of all the emanations, for example

 

How many photos did the militia have in their pdf? Their large rules-dump pdfs (militia, expanded units, exemplary battle units) don't use art work. That was kinda the whole point of not putting them in the paid-for books; there's no dedicated models (or there's no plans for the models to stay, rip box dread) for them to be represented.

 

15 hours ago, Petitioner's City said:

the ruinstorm list was a good "get you by" for daemons (especially as it wasn't specific about base sizes), and armies of dark compliance are possible through alliances. 

 

Err, gotta super disagree here. You can't really get close to making a real daemon list using the rules; you get brutes and the hq. Can you reverse engineer other units statlines? Sure, but you've only saved yourself the trouble of two whole datasheets lol. And maybe realized that dominions just got changed to a single-choice enamation....Also, ironically enough, of the two units the Brute available actually does lock you into its base size, since it has a model that comes with a base.

[Petitioner's City]

The article did, Skimask, not the pdf :) 

 

And yes there are models, but we just wanted to play, use any daemons with the brutes profile that is troops and elited - as I said, it's a stopgap but it works well (as a proxy) - if you are willing to let it, which we are.

 

Personally, sometimes a glass half full approach can be better, when you are in an imperfect situation, to get by until things are resolved. For me, sometimes being too negative gets in the way of living, and I have a tendency to be too easily negative anyway in reality and let it overwhelm me. Better to just find an interim solution and enjoy life better in the meantime :)

[Gamiel]

On 9/12/2023 at 1:34 PM, Joe said:

What House is that purple n white Knight from?

[Stitch5000]

1 hour ago, Gamiel said:

What House is that purple n white Knight from?

It's the Legio Xestobiax heraldry... 

[Petitioner's City]

1 hour ago, Stitch5000 said:

It's the Legio Xestobiax heraldry... 

 

No, it's not alas! That would be a triple chained skull, rather than Anubis.

 

 

 

 

However, it could be an affiliate house of the Titan legion - and course Egyptian symbols and gods read as Tizcan, so it could be read as a Thousand Sons-affiliate knight. But they don't need too (as "Egyptian=thousand sons" is very small world/planet of hats!). 

Edited September 15, 2023 by Petitioner's City