It's possible for all of the Primarchs to be brought back

[Chapter Master Valrak]

I find it amusing the foil videos are taken so serious 

[Noserenda]

4 minutes ago, Quantum said:

I have absolutely no problem with the Primarchs returning. As long as the story and writing are good.

 

...which I have very little confidence in. I mean, the Lion's return happened offscreen, for crying out loud! One of the most anticipated moments of the 40k setting, the Lion waking up in the Rock, is not shown. Him being found is not shown (and not even by his sons). First thing we see of him is him sparring in a Blood Angles vessel. What a missed opportunity!

You know there is a whole novel covering this right? Its quite good! 

Damn crime the 40k rules team is busy erasing the Fallen just as some of them get starring roles though.

https://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/the-lion-son-of-the-forest-ebook-eng-2023.html

[Emperor Ming]

The Emperor has a few items left to give away, otherwise they will have to start raiding his old cutlery draw...

 

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[Bryan Blaire]

Even if all the Primarchs come back, that doesn’t immediately spell “Hope” for the Imperium.  The situation in the galaxy current is much different than it was at the start of the Great Crusade or during the Heresy - if nothing else, there were no Necrons or Tyranids getting up to their shenanigans at that point, and the majority of the rest of the Xenos threats at that time weren’t the existential issues that the Necrons and Tyranids can pose.

 

That said, I’d be happy as a clam if the only Primarch to return from here until the sun fades out is Fulgrim - I don’t think they need to be in the setting any further than the mysteries that most are now.  The Space Wolves certainly don’t need a Primarch to play, nor did the Ultramarines or Dark Angels, and the same could be said for the other First Foundings.

 

It can actually open up more storytelling opportunities for the growth of “big heroes” for the gene lines that don’t have Primarchs right now - GW could take the brave step of making some new “big damn heroes” that grow larger than life out in the galaxy (possibly even through some psyker enhancement ceremonies or something).  Let Lysander or Garadon do some incredibly bad-ass stuff and get enhanced in some way to be the “Maximus Fist” or something goofy like that - they don’t have to get “Primarch level”, but maybe they could get really close.  It doesn’t always have to be Primarchs, there’s other story opportunities, some can even be tragic…

Edited October 20, 2023 by Bryan Blaire

[Karhedron]

22 minutes ago, Marshal Rohr said:

They are not going to make Primarchs for the “also ran” 40K chapters. Just the big four that everyone plays, and maybe even two versions of Russ since Wolves are the most popular. 

 

I dunno. While the Big 4 are likely to come first, bringing back some of the other Primarchs would be a perfect way to expand the some of the 2nd tier Chapters and give them parity with the Big 4. Want to bring out some cool new bikers and mounted Veteran/Command Squads? Here comes Jaghatai Khan roaring out of the webway on a relic jetbike. I am sure you could do similar things for RG and IFs too.

 

Personally I think that the dead Primarchs should stay that way. Chaos already has Abaddon as their Warmaster-equivalent. Boost the Sanguinor to a Primarch-level Character for the BAs. Not sure about Night Lords and Iron Hands.

[Xenith]

chum in the water to draw in the fish/views. While great at conveying the rumours his source gives him, from the (admittedly few) videos have watched, Valrak doesn't have the strongest grasp on the background, so I wouldn't take any thought experiments to heart or as gospel. 

Edited October 20, 2023 by Xenith

[Chapter Master Valrak]

8 minutes ago, Xenith said:

chum in the water to draw in the fish/views. While great at conveying the rumours his source gives him, from the (admittedly few) videos have watched, Valrak doesn't have the strongest grasp on the background. 

 

Foil videos were made to literally poke fun at myself with rumours etc, just like this video it's all fun, some people are taking it way too seriously, I literally have foil on my head when I talk about this stuff. 

This entire video was taken from the new Genefather book so it's lucky my lack of knowledge didn't have to guide me 

[Lay]

[Kastor Krieg]

Foilrak said all Primarchs are returning, so expect preorder this Saturday!

[brother_b]

Sanguinor, he’s already in the fluff and lore and has a model. Just supersize it! I’m just a BA fanboy though.

 

In truth, I’m not really fond of loyal primarchs in 40K. Someone already mentioned it there should be no hope just slow, inexorable decay and assault on the imperium.

 

Adding a bunch of powerful primarchs blunts the horror of 40K.

 

Then I see how bad ass the lion model is and I’m pushed to the other side and would really love Khan for my scars, etc.

[phandaal]

5 minutes ago, brother_b said:

Then I see how bad ass the lion model is and I’m pushed to the other side and would really love Khan for my scars, etc.

 

Yeah, from a modeling standpoint the new Primarchs are really cool.

 

From a lore standpoint, I would rather none of the Loyalist Primarchs had returned. That horse is well and truly out of the barn by now, unfortunately.

[WrathOfTheLion]

1 hour ago, Quantum said:

I have absolutely no problem with the Primarchs returning. As long as the story and writing are good.

 

...which I have very little confidence in. I mean, the Lion's return happened offscreen, for crying out loud! One of the most anticipated moments of the 40k setting, the Lion waking up in the Rock, is not shown. Him being found is not shown (and not even by his sons). First thing we see of him is him sparring in a Blood Angles vessel. What a missed opportunity!

For me the way they did it made was pretty fine. That something like the Great Rift/initial Daemon invasion would stir him is much more believable than happening at say, Vashtorr's incursion into the Rock.

 

That he then went and started gathering some disparate Fallen to go do things was a pretty nice change of pace for the DA plot as compared to normal.

[Vanger]

1 hour ago, Chapter Master Valrak said:

I find it amusing the foil videos are taken so serious 

 

Because people don't double or factcheck. also the topic is too popular. You opened Pandorax Box. People want this t be true. 

[chapter master 454]

1 hour ago, Chapter Master Valrak said:

I find it amusing the foil videos are taken so serious 

 

This is the Internet Valrak, you are an esteemed and veteran brother upon these warp currents and should know better!

Maybe some time in the pain glove is needed to remind you that the internet is not an...intelligent place. I mean, come on we have forums that discuss plastic toy soldiers and how best to deploy them with results governed by dice...what I silly idea, who would ever go to such a place and take such things seriously? Goodness...the world will have gone mad!

 

As to discuss Primarchs returning;

A thorny topic as we all have our own personal view and thoughts on what the primarchs are and who they are. This is a case of "better not to meet your heroes" as over the course of the games history, a lot of us here went through the game with Primarchs being figures of ancient past, of monumental battles never thought possible and of ability beyond anything. Now we are seeing these figures of the past return. Gulliman and Lion however have had all the narrative skill of a servitor put to them with various, and sometimes literal, Deus Ex Machina to just get them back quickly with no consideration for how serious the matters are.

My issue isn't their return, its the lack of respect, consideration and patience that annoys me.

 

As stated in prior matters, Gullimans revival is so hilarious to think about; the black legion literally speed run their way from one corner of the galaxy to the other to get to Maccragge and with little effort manage to assail the planet, despite...the stated issues that the Black Legion couldn't keep things together due to everyone only joining abbadon because they wanted out of the eye of terror, not that they liked him. This grand battle that wasn't grand at all speedruns to the events within the Primarchs stasis chamber upon which we now have to explain why some no-name inquisitor, no-name tech-priest and no-name XENOS are all here to help revive Gulliman, ignoring any other prior lore and just inviting a million things instead.

And yes, Cawl, Greyfax and whoever the Xenos was are all No-Names because they had no major relevance UNTIL these events and weren't really anything more than lazy excuses. I point to the fact that Greyfax hasn't really been part of anything major since then (despite being the Lead Commander of the MTG commander deck btw) and Cawl is...doing nothing other than being the excuse for new primaris gear.

 

Lion didn't even get a note about his return as others mentioned. Just "and the lion arrived" like plays of ancient greece. "and Heracles arrived".

 

Neither Chapter actually suffered anything for their primarch. Nothing. Zero.

[Scribe]

They have plenty of options without returning ones that should stay dead.

 

That's all I hope to say about that.

[phandaal]

19 minutes ago, chapter master 454 said:

Lion didn't even get a note about his return as others mentioned. Just "and the lion arrived" like plays of ancient greece. "and Heracles arrived".

 

"Somehow, Palpati-- The Lion returned."

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

6 hours ago, Vassakov said:

Isn't the whole Foilrak thing just essentially the good Chapter Master doing the Youtube equivalent of fanfiction, and is not to be taken seriously?

Foilrak has been correct in at least a few of his conspiracies so far. The one that stands out most was saying something involving dark angels and blood angels was coming

 

5 hours ago, Chapter Master Valrak said:

 

Foil videos were made to literally poke fun at myself with rumours etc, just like this video it's all fun, some people are taking it way too seriously, I literally have foil on my head when I talk about this stuff. 

This entire video was taken from the new Genefather book so it's lucky my lack of knowledge didn't have to guide me 

Didn’t you do a foil video a long time ago saying that something involving BA and DA was going to happen? And then it did.

just saying, the foil might have powers…unnatural, heretical powers…

[Aarik]

Haven't watched the video, but I expect that we'll get the four god-aligned traitor primarchs (of which we only need Fulgrim, who will definitely come when the EC are released as a separate army) and Guilliman, the Lion, Russ, and a Sanguinor/avatar of Sanguinius's spirit type thing for BA.  I don't think there's enough broad interest in the other First Founding chapters with still-living Primarchs (Corax, the Khan, and Vulkan) for GW to give them models in the foreseeable future.

[Rhavien]

3 hours ago, Emperor Ming said:

The Emperor has a few items left to give away, otherwise they will have to start raiding his old cutlery draw...

 

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Primarchs better hurry! Don't lose out, big boys or you will end up with daddy's shorts. 

[zarkkarn]

I imagine sanguinius and potentially ferrus will be the only ones who dont come vack as a primarch model i think every legion should get a primarch equivalent so maybe blood angel get a warp enfused sanguinor which channels the primarch ferrus manus maybe some lore rewrites and we get him in a dreadnought.

 

I would imagine the less controversial ones to come back will make an appearance so most likely russ next then maybe corax.

[Noserenda]

Ferrus is the one who has sort of/possibly come back from the dead during a manifestation of the Legion of the Damned whilst Sanguinius is not only very dead, but split into bits and off doing separate things at somewhat cross purposes :D 

A big centrepiece redo of the Sanguinor would be very cool but its not entirely Sanguinus, and i dont think it needs to be? Ultimately the point is to have cool centrepiece models and everything else is supporting that, if enough people bought the Forgeworld resin primarchs, i could easily see all of them getting 40k versions too, they certainly seem to have underestimated demand for the Lion at least, but without seeing all the numbers we cant make a call on how plausible any of them are really.

[jaxom]

6 hours ago, m_r_parker said:

Centrepiece character models = sales = £££

^This, and it was a problem for a long time for Marine armies, they didn't have anything like an Avatar, Daemon Prince, or Greater Daemon, or Hive Tyrant. Dreadnoughts kind of fit the role, but not quite. A Primarch fits the bill perfectly, and so would a properly sized Sanguinor. The only loyalist left out in the rain is Ferrus Manus, and I don't Iron Hands make up enough of a slice of the pie that GW would worry about them.

 

 

5 hours ago, Bryan Blaire said:

Even if all the Primarchs come back, that doesn’t immediately spell “Hope” for the Imperium.  The situation in the galaxy current is much different than it was at the start of the Great Crusade or during the Heresy

That's one thing I really disliked when the retconned the 200 year time jump. Guilliman, with a military force larger than the original Great Crusade, barely reconquers half the territory in the same amount of time as the Great Crusade. 

[Guest]

I think the one I will struggle the most with is Sanguinius, unless Abnett does something stupid his sacrifice is what the BA deal with to this day.

 

Ferrus as a LOW for LotD is cool 40k Ghost Rider type thing.

We do know that Corax is currently scaring the crap out of Lorgar.

My struggle is whether GW can actually write it well, I was not sold on the Lions return.

[FashaTheDog]

I can just see the release for Ferrus Magnus now:

 

[Wormwoods]

The thing about returned Primarchs is that why don't you just model, paint, and field three infantry squads instead?