17th November preview event

[spessmarine]

Appears to be a preview to coincide with the championship event. Found in the PDFs posted today

November 17th, 21:00 presumably Atlanta time, so Eastern.

 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/d3bgGbvGzpZGwehD.pdf

 

Edited November 2, 2023 by TrawlingCleaner
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[OttoVonAwesome]

Mystery army plz.

[01RTB01]

6 minutes ago, OttoVonAwesome said:

Mystery army plz.

"Mystery army" plastic auxillia would be the sensible bet.

[TheMawr]

28 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said:

"Mystery army" plastic auxillia would be the sensible bet.

 

Why are people so 100% convinced its solar auxilia ? I might have missed something but I noticed two things why people started theorising this here ( beyond scoring high wishlist points on this forum.) one being a HD version render of something we know is in epic HH too, not to mention, could be released in proper format without other auxilia releases, the other being their civilian flyer rerelease.. wich already happened .. in resin.

 

This is a genuine question btw, as I rarely see people here convinced by rumors even if evidence slaps them in the face. And from my own pov its one of the least logical ones for several reasons, not in the least because I expect them to only do plastic where they can sell it for 40k too. ( but then again, even if solar auxilia has no real presence in 40k now, that didnt stop them from doing talons of the emperor.)

 

[Matrindur]

11 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

 

Why are people so 100% convinced its solar auxilia ? I might have missed something but I noticed two things why people started theorising this here ( beyond scoring high wishlist points on this forum.) one being a HD version render of something we know is in epic HH too, not to mention, could be released in proper format without other auxilia releases, the other being their civilian flyer rerelease.. wich already happened .. in resin.

 

This is a genuine question btw, as I rarely see people here convinced by rumors even if evidence slaps them in the face. And from my own pov its one of the least logical ones for several reasons, not in the least because I expect them to only do plastic where they can sell it for 40k too. ( but then again, even if solar auxilia has no real presence in 40k now, that didnt stop them from doing talons of the emperor.)

 

Its because they are in Legions Imperialis. That means they already designed all their models digitally so it would make sense if they also designed them for HH at the same time.

Also that new Sentinel that doesn't have a 28mm version yet

Edited November 2, 2023 by Matrindur

[Nephaston]

4 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

This is a genuine question btw, as I rarely see people here convinced by rumors even if evidence slaps them in the face. And from my own pov its one of the least logical ones for several reasons, not in the least because I expect them to only do plastic where they can sell it for 40k too. ( but then again, even if solar auxilia has no real presence in 40k now, that didnt stop them from doing talons of the emperor.)

 

Mostly because choices are relatively limited; Legion Marines are already mostly plastic, Talons are also plastic for a decent chunk, ruinstorm daemons are mostly plastic.

So unless they do a completely new army out of nowhere that leaves Solar Aux and Mechanicum, so arguably it's a coin toss. And since it's a supposed plastic release there is a lot less plastic available in Solar Aux where Mech already has plastic Knights and resin upgradeable plastic infantry.

[01RTB01]

14 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

 

Why are people so 100% convinced its solar auxilia ? I might have missed something but I noticed two things why people started theorising this here ( beyond scoring high wishlist points on this forum.) one being a HD version render of something we know is in epic HH too, not to mention, could be released in proper format without other auxilia releases, the other being their civilian flyer rerelease.. wich already happened .. in resin.

 

This is a genuine question btw, as I rarely see people here convinced by rumors even if evidence slaps them in the face. And from my own pov its one of the least logical ones for several reasons, not in the least because I expect them to only do plastic where they can sell it for 40k too. ( but then again, even if solar auxilia has no real presence in 40k now, that didnt stop them from doing talons of the emperor.)

 

As above, the new sentinels in their tiny form are also probably designed in 28mm already.

 

Current 40k guard aesthetic doesn't really fit for 30k and LI does a chunk and of the hard work. 

 

They're distinct too which combined with gut and Legiones imperialis to me it fits. 

 

Ad mech/ dark ad mech are possible but both sides can use auxilia which opens up possiblity. 

 

New EC RoW also requires the inclusion of militia/ auxilia too IIRC which again, to me suggests incoming plastics. 

 

I may be wrong but my guts say otherwise. We'll soon see. Plastic auxilia after plastic knight armies doesn't seem a huge stretch to be honest.

[Marshal Loss]

Hope they preview the new assault marines!

[MegaVolt87]

Why wouldn't the new army not be plastic solar aux? Why would it need to cross sell to 40k? The HH to 40k cross selling has been likely abandoned at this point. Remember none of the new HH plastics like tanks, dreads etc are present in a 10th Ed Imperial Armour book like in 8th and 9th. Not to mention cross selling 40k Custodes units, BA Sang guard, 40k ad mech units etc. GW appears fine with range seperation and leaving that money on the table. Future HH release are not dependant on 40k usability at this point in time. I'm surprised shareholders haven't questioned this lack of cross selling. Not to mention apparent firstborn erasure for loyalists in 40k and HH unit availability to CSM etc. 

Edited November 2, 2023 by MegaVolt87

[Bung]

2 hours ago, Nephaston said:

Mostly because choices are relatively limited; Legion Marines are already mostly plastic, Talons are also plastic for a decent chunk, ruinstorm daemons are mostly plastic.

So unless they do a completely new army out of nowhere that leaves Solar Aux and Mechanicum, so arguably it's a coin toss. And since it's a supposed plastic release there is a lot less plastic available in Solar Aux where Mech already has plastic Knights and resin upgradeable plastic infantry.

 

You miss Sisters of Silence which got a really expanded army list but only have one plastic Box.

 

@MegaVolt87

They dont want Cross selling to see which miniature line sells. 

Which is a normal reason to so how to allocate ressources.

 

Edited November 2, 2023 by Bung

[Noserenda]

Yeah the sisters of silence getting a huge range expansion and no models seems a lot more likely to me, might be hopium of course :D

 

Well, that or the darkest timeline, SA tanks and no infantry that was rumoured.

[TrawlingCleaner]

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[Joe]

Sisters of Silence are a niche within a niche within a niche. They hardly ever show up, they have the unfortunate reputation of being tacked on to the Custodes (an army that many people really, really dislike in Heresy) and they aren't particularly popular in Warhammer 40,000 to boot. It's incredibly doubtful they'll ever move out of resin territory. As an aside, it's far more likely that we'll see Custodes receive a plastic update eventually.

 

The reason people lean on Solar Auxilia so much is they are a genuinely popular faction with the community (jostling with Mechanicum for second-largest player segment), the studio has said at prior Open Day's that they want to bring the range to plastic for accessibility, and it's an open opportunity for the wider company to update certain older kits (i.e. the Leman Russ). That's before you ignore the utility of being able to use the vast majority of an updated Solar Auxilia range in Warhammer 40,000 anyway as a slightly more advanced Imperial Guard army, or Scions.

Edited November 2, 2023 by Joe
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[Etruscan]

1 hour ago, Joe said:

Sisters of Silence are a niche within a niche within a niche. They hardly ever show up, they have the unfortunate reputation of being tacked on to the Custodes (an army that many people really, really dislike in Heresy) and they aren't particularly popular in Warhammer 40,000 to boot. It's incredibly doubtful they'll ever move out of resin territory. As an aside, it's far more likely that we'll see Custodes receive a plastic update eventually.

 

The reason people lean on Solar Auxilia so much is they are a genuinely popular faction with the community (jostling with Mechanicum for second-largest player segment), the studio has said at prior Open Day's that they want to bring the range to plastic for accessibility, and it's an open opportunity for the wider company to update certain older kits (i.e. the Leman Russ). That's before you ignore the utility of being able to use the vast majority of an updated Solar Auxilia range in Warhammer 40,000 anyway as a slightly more advanced Imperial Guard army, or Scions.

Which begs the question why bother giving the Sisters an expansive unit list in the Liber Imperium, well beyond the previous edition’s, with little to means to create half the units without some serious modelling skill.
 

I would disagree that they never ‘show up’, their presence is pretty integral during the Heresy. Not a popular choice I agree but that’s probably more to do with the paltry model range more than anything else; see Sisters of Battle popularity for example. Also the Sisters are already in plastic with 2 models and 1 upgrade in resin, so there is no need to move them from resin because their core unit is already in plastic.

 

I do however agree totally that Auxilia is the natural choice for the new mystery army, as much as I would love to see the Sisters range receive a ton of new models.

[Matcap86]

2 minutes ago, Etruscan said:

Which begs the question why bother giving the Sisters an expansive unit list in the Liber Imperium, well beyond the previous edition’s, with little to means to create half the units without some serious modelling skill.
 

I would disagree that they never ‘show up’, their presence is pretty integral during the Heresy. Not a popular choice I agree but that’s probably more to do with the paltry model range more than anything else; see Sisters of Battle popularity for example. Also the Sisters are already in plastic with 2 models and 1 upgrade in resin, so there is no need to move them from resin because their core unit is already in plastic.

 

I do however agree totally that Auxilia is the natural choice for the new mystery army, as much as I would love to see the Sisters range receive a ton of new models.

 

The only indication I'd see sisters (and possibly custodes) get a refresh/expansion is that usually in these cases there's a teaser model somewhere in a limited release. (Think Fafnir Rann for the new MK3, Zephon for the MKVI assault squad, blackstone fortress models for the Traitor Militia, etc. ) We haven't had anything of the sort with Auxilia, but we did get the black library celebration Aleya and Valerian. But in reality, with all the design work for all the plastic armour already done for LI, it's way more likely for me that SA is the faction we're going to see. 

[Etruscan]

Like I said, I don’t believe it will be Sisters, more I am just expressing my disappointment at the lack of models a year on from their new rules and units.

[System Sound]

Hopefully plastic Deredeo with the rest of the weapons will be shown.

[Lord Marshal]

5 hours ago, Nephaston said:

Mostly because choices are relatively limited; Legion Marines are already mostly plastic, Talons are also plastic for a decent chunk, ruinstorm daemons are mostly plastic.

 

For the record, only the basic 5-man Custodes and Sisters boxes are plastic. Everything else in the 30k list is resin. People proxy the Terminators and Jetbikes with the 40k models a lot but technically they're completely different units.

 

As a resident Solar Auxilia Enjoyer(tm) I'm keeping my expectations in very tight check. I suspect what's going to happen is 'Mystery Army' will be a singular release and some WarCom intern is slapping themselves, because a lot of people have taken it to mean 'army' as a plural. Not to say it couldn't be the case that it's a whole new range but I prefer to err on the cynical when it comes to anything that's not Marines.

 

The Mars-pattern Leman Russes were mostly (but not entirely) squatted the other month and that's where I'm placing my bet. Maybe also the Malcador due to it's mystery Vanquisher turret option it didn't have before coupled with it being one of, if not the oldest resin kit still in production - and notoriously plagued with issues as a result.

 

Edited November 2, 2023 by Lord Marshal

[TheMawr]

7 hours ago, MegaVolt87 said:

Why wouldn't the new army not be plastic solar aux? Why would it need to cross sell to 40k? The HH to 40k cross selling has been likely abandoned at this point. Remember none of the new HH plastics like tanks, dreads etc are present in a 10th Ed Imperial Armour book like in 8th and 9th.

 

Because when it comes to investments like that (plastic instead of resin) the creative side of GW likely cant do as they please, they'd have to come with arguments themselves.. and those are the arguments I try to look at with speculation. Space marines will always be different. A single Spacemarine HH release will likely sell much more than an entire range of non spacemarine plastics even if it caters to both games. But I do agree it seems they are less and less focused on cross-selling... especially Necromunda showcases this shift.

 

But the strongest reason I feel whatever it is will also cater to 40k is the small amount of actual 40k products in the same season as the mystery release. Its like there is a hole in the 40k release schedule where the mystery release would perfectly fit. If the mystery army release was in spring I wouldnt feel as strongly about it.

However, thats very clearly subjective gut feeling territory.

 

 

5 hours ago, Joe said:

The reason people lean on Solar Auxilia so much is they are a genuinely popular faction with the community (jostling with Mechanicum for second-largest player segment), the studio has said at prior Open Day's that they want to bring the range to plastic for accessibility,

 

 

Are they ? (genuine question again) Until their exposure through LI I saw very little mention both from the community and GW and they rarely came up in wishlisting etc. So I always assumed they must be not too popular. Mechanicum of both flavors get much more mention and exposure, as do Talons but yeah that seems mostly 40k oriented, apart from this forum I have very little exposure to horus heresy fandom.

 

As for the LI digital sculpts theory, yeah thats not how that works. You cant just upscale or downscale the models between such a scale difference. Not a strong argument against the mystery release being solar auxilia because proper scale digital sculpts do exist as I dont think the existing resin range is sculpted by hand. Still I dont think they will use any existing stuff for this, and instead just make whatever it is new.

 

Mind you, none of this is meant as a "I dont like Solar auxilia so I will deny the potential/arguments" Honestly when cadia got destroyed and with the softreboot theories looming I vocally half expected half hoped they might become a replacement, as to me they feel much more fitting to the setting than guard do.

 

I also dont see them less ( but right now also not more ) likely as the other realistic candidates, In general I just have an inquisitive mind and genuinely like to analyse the train of thought in theories. To me still all 3 known candidates; Solar auxilia, (Dark) Mechanicum and Talons/SoS all have good arguments why it would be them... and some why they wouldnt.

 

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Back to the preview event though, I wonder exactly what they will show for 40k. Its probably still too early for the spring releases or Kill team box 2 ( even though thats a winter release too.) but one would expect there is more than the two codexes and their accompanying, but mostly revealed miniatures in the coming 4 months. As mentioned before there is a curious black hole in the winter schedule, made even more curious as they revealed all there is so early.

Edited November 2, 2023 by TheMawr
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[WrathOfTheLion]

Solar Auxilia are very likely to be it, as they've been unsubtle about the hints. They had whole design articles talking about how for LI they had to initially sculpt them in 28mm, then scale them down and choose which details to keep. So we know all the new SA designs, such as the Sentinel, must have been sculpted in 28mm already as they directly came out and said it.

 

The process isn't a simple as just scaling them down, but that is how they start the sculpting process. One such article is here, if you want to read it. The key points being that they talk about the initial scaling down, and that they need the original scale to also know what it is supposed to look like. So we can infer that the 28mm sculpt is essentially a prerequisite for making the smaller rendition of it.

Edited November 2, 2023 by WrathOfTheLion

[Dark Shepherd]

10 hours ago, spessmarine said:

Appears to be a preview to coincide with the championship event. Found in the PDFs posted today

November 17th, 21:00 presumably Atlanta time, so Eastern.

 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/d3bgGbvGzpZGwehD.pdf

 

Thatll be 2am GMT? Queue drunk comments in the livechat :)

[Ruskinses]

This is a Horus Heresy event? 

[TheMawr]

20 minutes ago, WrathOfTheLion said:

The process isn't a simple as just scaling them down, but that is how they start the sculpting process. One such article is here, if you want to read it.

 

I think we interpret the comment differently, and both interpretations could be equally true. I see it as referencing a more conceptual "scaling down" of the currently existing HH sculpts not an actual scaling down process. If I would answer the question as a designer myself.. thats how Id say it and how Id mean it. That doesnt make it the only possible interpretation though.

 

I just realise that I must addendum my mindset in the discussion/speculation though.... its not so much a "wich army gets plastic releases and wich one does not", its more a wich one gets it now and why now as opposed to a couple of months/year later. As from the moment they said "mystery army release in plastic" I assumed all Horus heresy armies get at least a core in plastic eventually, and probably on a not too long timescale (for HH terms.)

 

Im very certain the largely updated SoS unit list ( including armor that currently is on none of them.) is indicative of an upcoming SoS release, very likely part of it plastic to add to the plastic custodes core already there.. Im also certain Mechanicum will get more plastic stuff.. but there is a good chance its only those elements that cater to both sides, and I do think Solar auxilia is also an eventually as they have nothing in plastic yet.

 

However, Im using a lot of arguments/words in a non-discussion, as Im not disagreeing it could be solar auxilia, and I already have my answers why some people are 100% convinced it is.

 

[Lord Marshal]

1 hour ago, TheMawr said:

Are they ? (genuine question again) Until their exposure through LI I saw very little mention both from the community and GW and they rarely came up in wishlisting etc. So I always assumed they must be not too popular. Mechanicum of both flavors get much more mention and exposure, as do Talons but yeah that seems mostly 40k oriented, apart from this forum I have very little exposure to horus heresy fandom.

 

Solar Auxilia are basically the Death Korps of Horus Heresy (without the obnoxious memes) in that nearly everybody loves the designs and a lot of people want an army, but the £££ cost of them is too much for most people to reasonably justify.

 

Mechanicum aren't cheap either, but they cost less than SA. Similarly the Custodes resins are pricey, but you don't need many of them to max out 3000pts - it's easier to swallow £100 for a 400pt Telemon Dreadnought centrepiece than £100 for 120pts of Lasrifles or 70pt Carnodon.

 

 

Edited November 2, 2023 by Lord Marshal

[01RTB01]

1 hour ago, Ruskinses said:

This is a Horus Heresy event? 

No but there are reveals for Heresy within.