10th Ed New Stuff Speculation

[Indy Techwisp]

Just making this thread as a place to speculate on what may be coming in the future of 10th Ed for Daemons.
Stuff like detachments in the Codex, new Models/Units, etc.

[Plaguecaster]

I hope there's god specific detachments that make it worthwhile taking mono god armies 

Usual stuff like nurgle being more resilient khorne hitting harder etc would be cool as well as more enhancements etc 

However I hope they give more access to stuff like decent antitank as currently the only reliable ranged antitank in the army is solely tied with tzeentch whilst ones like nurgle have literally nothing unless it's soul grinder melee or hoping to get wo in nds from lethal hits

 

Really hope they buff the Greater daemons especially strength as just annoying stuff like GUOs are only Str8 so can barely scratch T10 or more 

 

 

 

[Tokugawa]

At least 6 detachments, 1 similar/identical to current one, 1 for each god, 1 for monsters bash.

[Indy Techwisp]

I'm not entirely sure whether this fits in with 40k's lore as it were, but IMO a "simple" new addition to the Daemons roster would be something akin to Chaos Furies.

Some kind of small, Chaos Undivided Daemon to serve as fast chaff for the bulk of the army.

[Indy Techwisp]

On 11/5/2023 at 12:56 AM, Tokugawa said:

At least 6 detachments, 1 similar/identical to current one, 1 for each god, 1 for monsters bash.

 

It's possible that rather than a Monster Mash detachment, we instead get a "Forge of Souls" detachment with daemon engines as the focus 'cause Vashtor is still the new "big player" on the block.

[Dr_Ruminahui]

Furies have long had a place in 40K lore, being around since at least the 3.5 edition chaos (space marines) codex - though they may well have existed going back into 2nd edition.  I think undivided demons originally were envisioned as having a much bigger role in the overall chaos roster (as they always have in the background or "fluff") and that eventually other undivided demons were to join the furies on the table top.  Unfortunately, that never did occur and furies were eventually dropped, probably in part because they didn't fall into the "4 god" framework adopted by the evolving 40k - and almost certainly not helped by their models being old, dated, metal and only having 2 pretty ugly poses.  By the time plastic models rolled around as part of mixed kit for a different system, it was too little, too late.

 

So, while I too would like to see their return, without a renewed focus on undivided demons accompanied by some new units, I don't see a return as there really isn't a place conceptually for them.

[Tokugawa]

4 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

It's possible that rather than a Monster Mash detachment, we instead get a "Forge of Souls" detachment with daemon engines as the focus 'cause Vashtor is still the new "big player" on the block.

Vashtor's faction keyword is "CSM". If GW want to make a big plan in 10th and promote him to a leader of a new army, that army would be "dark mechanicius", not your daemon. 

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

It is odd to me, that given their are no creative limits for Chaos Daemons, they have such a small and limited range for each of the Chaos Gods. Maybe in 10th that will chnage and they will get a big expansion. Not gonna lie, it is getting a tad tedious to keep on using my superior yellow Astartes to send the same units back to the warp. I need fresh things to fist for the emperor. 

 

[Ulfast]

You are right. Gw could do a lot of things with daemons and we do need somwthing new and exciting.

[Blight1]

Well it's not exciting but I could see the herald of slaanesh getting a plastic kit and both the blue scribes and epidimius need plastic kits if they don't want to get phased out.

Wouldn't be surprised to see 5 detachments.  Could give the daemons back their old abilities like run and charge for Slaanesh but then it'll feel worse to take them outside of the God detachments by a fair bit. Eh

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

Has there been any rumours, leaks or whispers of anything kit wise for Chaos Daemons of any of the four? 

 

I hope it doesn't happen but if/when the Daemons get rolled into their respective Legions I can see GW pretty much giving up on giving Daemons anything. 

[Ulfast]

I have not heard anything. I think right now the rumours are very quite around chaos and all chaos armies (both daemons and diffrent legions) will be very intersting to follow in the coming years.

 

When it comes to new units I believe that some of the "missing" AoS units will be new but I wish that we get something totally unique. Some units will perhaps need a update too.

[Special Officer Doofy]

On 11/10/2024 at 3:10 PM, The Praetorian of Inwit said:

I hope it doesn't happen but if/when the Daemons get rolled into their respective Legions I can see GW pretty much giving up on giving Daemons anything. 

 

They will give daemons what's needed based on age of sigmar, not 40k. 40k daemons feel half baked to me. That's why I'm personally for them rolling them in with the cult legions. Either way they are not going to get any love I feel.

 

On 11/11/2024 at 7:32 AM, Ulfast said:

Some units will perhaps need a update too.

 

Nurgle is doing great. Not counting Epidemius, their oldest models are from 2013 (the start collecting) and have aged very well, the rest are from 2018. My knowledge on the other gods is less.

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

Indeed.

 

I kinda wish they would do seprate Daemon ranges for AoS and 40k. 

[TheMawr]

like the daemon releases themselves ( WHU had some excellent daemon warbands usably as heralds recently btw ) the latest going-ons also come through AoS.

 

AoS is apparently in the same resin update-or-purge mode 40k is and the Blue scribes and Epidemus are phased out in the AoS rules, I think that wether Daemons get their own codex or are split, it pretty much means they will be gone in 40k too.

 

Also, like we do here, on an AoS forum people where doing the guessing wich datasheets are gone when noticing the StD book has 4 less datasheets than the index, someone asked on the official warhammer facebook ( ironically, not the best source for correct info.) and one of the 4 being phased out is the Soul grinder.

Now that one isnt necessarily a red flag, as the soulgrinder really is more 40kish anyway. But its also one of the two units losing a home when daemons get split, its removal from AoS could either indicate it phasing out entirely ( for now.. its not as permanent as it used to.) or indication of more distance being created between certain, if not all, daemon elements in both settings. I could see the AoS nurgle snail rider character leaving 40k for example.

 

There is ofcourse the Khorne rumor for kill team from Valrak, the assumption is its a worldeaters one.. and while that is very likely so it could be 40k specific Bloodletters, heralding such a setting division.

When looking for another picture ( a clearly more 40kish daemonette with gun.. I think its official, but very old, art ) I came across this john blanche art in my folders and it reminded me of that recent chaos rumor engine :

 

I think the next biggest thing for scifi setting daemons might probably happen in HH though, I could see a small range of ruinstorm daemons coming there sooner or later.

[Indy Techwisp]

Well then.

4 Grotmas detachments coming for Daemons, one for each God.

The article says that these detachments don't tread the same ground as the actual Codexes...

 

So with 1 Mixed Daemon Detachment and now 4 Mono-God Detachments, what else could we even get for the Codex?

[Dr_Ruminahui]

Well, I could see it going two ways:

 

1.  There could be a different god oriented detachment for each god.  Just because you are already releasing one for each god doesn't mean you couldn't do a second without stepping on the toes of the first.  So, for example you could have a nurgle detachment focused on resilience, and a second focused on plague spreading.  Likewise, you could have a slannesh detachment focused on speed, and another on negative status affects on opposing units.

 

And/or

 

2.  You could have more variations of mixed armies - you could have a Belachor oriented one, a greater demon oriented one, a battleline/"little demon" oriented one, a calvalry oriented one, a "warp breach" rapid insertion/deepstriking oriented one, etc.  I think the detachments in the nids codex are a good baseline for the types of detachments we might see, if not their actual mechanics. 

 

That's not to say that this is necessarily the route they will go, or that such detachments would necessarily be any good (either in terms of rules or execution of the concept), but I think even with 4 additional detachments this December there is still room for the codex to go whenever it does ultimately come out.

[Special Officer Doofy]

I think Daemons still have a place in 40k. Whether it be with the cult marines or in their own books. Lucky for me I don't own any soul grinders. Much like defilers, I refused to buy them because of the crab legs.

 

On 11/21/2024 at 12:58 AM, TheMawr said:

I could see the AoS nurgle snail rider character leaving 40k for example.

 

Don't say that! It's the only Nurgle model I don't own (besides epidemius) and was a Christmas present idea I had haha.

[Indy Techwisp]

2 hours ago, Special Officer Doofy said:

I think Daemons still have a place in 40k. Whether it be with the cult marines or in their own books. Lucky for me I don't own any soul grinders. Much like defilers, I refused to buy them because of the crab legs.

I think after the Soul Grinders the 40k team isn't allowed to make any more Daemons.

[Ulfast]

I got three so I would be sad if they go away. I usually play pure Tzeentch so looking forward to Tzeentch specific detachment. Could be fun.