Deal with GW/Amazon signed

[lhg033]

BBC have finally caught up with this news...
Amazon to make Warhammer 40,000 shows and movies - BBC News

Relatively quick for them.... I'm not convinced they know what they are writing about though for the most part.
This in particular, if i am not misreading it, is drivel or at the very least a rare stretch:
" with new entrants able to raise funds from enthusiasts through platforms such as Kickstarter"

[Cactus]

Be fair, if you take that in context it's clearly talking about new entrants to the tabletop games market. Tell me you've never seen a new wargame or model line appear first on Kickstarter!

 

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Millions of people around the world play Warhammer, and the worldwide "tabletop" games sector that the fantasy game is part of is worth around £8.6bn, according to the consumer data firm Statista, with new entrants able to raise funds from enthusiasts through platforms such as Kickstarter.

 

[Halandaar]

2 hours ago, lhg033 said:

BBC have finally caught up with this news...
Amazon to make Warhammer 40,000 shows and movies - BBC News

Relatively quick for them.... I'm not convinced they know what they are writing about though for the most part.
This in particular, if i am not misreading it, is drivel or at the very least a rare stretch:
" with new entrants able to raise funds from enthusiasts through platforms such as Kickstarter"

 

If you extend that quote just a smidge further it makes perfect sense:

 

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and the worldwide "tabletop" games sector that the fantasy game is part of is worth around £8.6bn, according to the consumer data firm Statista, with new entrants able to raise funds from enthusiasts through platforms such as Kickstarter.

 

They're talking about new manufacturers in the tabletop gaming sector, not new players in the Warhammer hobby.

 

Congratulations, this was a perfect example how bad reading comprehension and selective quoting completely misrepresents what was actually said, and then used to undermine the credibility of the writer.

[Misterduch]

11 hours ago, redmapa said:

 

The boys needed to be sanitized, the comic is even worse in every sense.

 

the comic is pretty damm dreadfull.

 

It's like a hit piece against non existent poeple

[lhg033]

1 hour ago, Halandaar said:

 

If you extend that quote just a smidge further it makes perfect sense:

 

 

They're talking about new manufacturers in the tabletop gaming sector, not new players in the Warhammer hobby.

 

Congratulations, this was a perfect example how bad reading comprehension and selective quoting completely misrepresents what was actually said, and then used to undermine the credibility of the writer.

you see - exactly as you say. I read it as they were suggesting new starters getting into Warhammer were somehow raising funds to start collecting via kickstarter. Does make more sense to me now.

I hold my hands up to that - it wasnt intentional, I'm just not processing things well today for some reason

[Cactus]

@lhg033 you're not wrong that it's a very badly written article by somebody who clearly doesn't know Warhammer.

[beefeb]

I wonder if this bit, is the part that the honest wargamer was highlighting concerns about.....

 

As well as greenlighting the production of Warhammer 40,000 films and TV series, the deal gives Amazon the option to license the rights to other Warhammer franchises further down the line.

 

 

 

[Xenith]

Breaking news:

 

 

From The Daily Mash

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[Xenith]

Aside from cancel culture having existed since Cain decided to cancel Abel, I think one needs to be able to differentiate between bad writing, which people don't like, and risque, shocking, gothic things (as well as diversity), which people do like. 

 

Game of Thrones was an unrelentingly miserable, unfair, grim and dark affair, with heads on spikes, incest and wolves heads sewn onto human bodies, and people loved it, until bad writing killed it. Witcher is the same. Children taken from parents and subjected to weird rituals and excessive training and then made into weapons to fight monsters. Space marines aren't too far a stretch from there. 

 

If they stick to  the fundamentals of good writing, then any weird, gothic, grimdark stuff, like servitors, servo skulls, etc, will have their place and be understood as part of that universe. 

[Cactus]

3 hours ago, beefeb said:

I wonder if this bit, is the part that the honest wargamer was highlighting concerns about.....

 

As well as greenlighting the production of Warhammer 40,000 films and TV series, the deal gives Amazon the option to license the rights to other Warhammer franchises further down the line.

 

 

 

What's there to be concerned about? Isn't that just giving Amazon first dibs on any hypothetical Age of Sigmar or Horus Heresy project?

[skylerboodie]

Yeah, the stock exchange release specifies:

 

"Under the terms of the agreement, Games Workshop has granted exclusive rights to Amazon in relation to films and television series set within the Warhammer 40,000 universe, together with an option for Amazon to license equivalent rights in the Warhammer Fantasy universe following the release of the initial Warhammer 40,000 production. "

[son of the forest]

I wonder if this is the reason why there hasn't been any new animations on warhammer plus since pariah nexus ended just over 2 months ago!

[beefeb]

2 hours ago, Cactus said:

What's there to be concerned about? Isn't that just giving Amazon first dibs on any hypothetical Age of Sigmar or Horus Heresy project?

  I dont know, thats why i was asking.  Did you see the gossip from the Honest Wargamer about the cock up in the wording of the contract?   I only saw it thirdhand, so I was wondering if this wording might be what it was referencing.  I only ask because Rob is usually very accurate with what he posts, and I couldnt see anything potentially bad other than this wording?

[Cactus]

1 hour ago, beefeb said:

  I dont know, thats why i was asking.  Did you see the gossip from the Honest Wargamer about the cock up in the wording of the contract?   I only saw it thirdhand, so I was wondering if this wording might be what it was referencing.  I only ask because Rob is usually very accurate with what he posts, and I couldnt see anything potentially bad other than this wording?

Nope. I don't know who Rob is or what gossip he has. If you think it's relevant can you share it? This is just a press release anyway. I'm sure the actual contract text is very different.

[Halandaar]

23 minutes ago, Cactus said:

Nope. I don't know who Rob is or what gossip he has. If you think it's relevant can you share it? This is just a press release anyway. I'm sure the actual contract text is very different.

 

Rob Symes, he runs The Honest Wargamer Youtube channel which is AoS focussed. His gossip *may* be relevant because he's ex-GW staff; he was the face of Warhammer TV including the Youtube videos and Twitch coverage when they were really kicking that stuff off, worked with Duncan on the Youtube painting videos etc. Presumably still has connections at the company.

[Dark Shepherd]

Am thinking if they do Space Marines it might be Space Marine Scouts (Kill Team). Wouldnt require vast pitched battles

 

Power armour let alone TDA or Gravis would be hard to make appear as its generally portrayed, and full face helms would make for bland or confusing viewing

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On 12/18/2023 at 10:09 AM, Halandaar said:

Wheel of Time had the next best person to Robert Jordan himself (Brandon Sanderson) on board as a producer so even the involvement of people very close to the source material doesn't guarantee a good end product. 

 

We don't necessarily need the people in creative control to be existing fans of the setting, they just need to be competent writers who are prepared to understand the setting and represent it accurately, rather than trying to bend it to their own idea of what the setting should be.

 

He talked about the show in his podcast, he has producer status but not the kind of pull that some of them had. Considering how surprised he was on how they handled the show...

[phandaal]

2 hours ago, Dark Shepherd said:

Am thinking if they do Space Marines it might be Space Marine Scouts (Kill Team). Wouldnt require vast pitched battles

 

Power armour let alone TDA or Gravis would be hard to make appear as its generally portrayed, and full face helms would make for bland or confusing viewing

 

Space Marines in general would be difficult to do, even if they are not in power armor. Even Scouts are extremely modified from a baseline human. You can't just make a tall, muscular person. Gotta give them the weird gigantic bone structure as well.

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On 12/18/2023 at 11:08 AM, Lexington said:

Well, we'll see. Given the incredibly meagre results GW themselves have managed to achieve with Warhammer+, I'm not precisely expecting much.

 

Re: the discussion here, man...if only it was so easy as 'staying true to the lore,' or whatever. There's so, so much more to the creation of a big prestige teevee show than that. If it were just a question of directly porting an existing work onto film, we'd have an endless supply of amazing television shows, and producers would barely have to worry about any of the messy creative stuff - your script and concepts are right there, after all.

 

Of course, it doesn't work that way for a million reasons, and there's as many (or more!) wildly successful adaptations that throw all but the base concept out the window in favor of doing their own thing. Movies, television shows and etc. are just such unimaginably enormous projects, with literal years of man-hours going into work that's often entirely invisible to the audience. Quality is very hard to come by, and even more so now that the bottom is starting to fall out of the streaming business model. It'll be a miracle if we get something truly memorable out of this effort, and it'll have very little to do with someone doing the easy work of picking up a novel that takes a few hours to read.

 

 

Is GW actually that litigious? They seem fairly lenient, really, and this is coming from someone who's been at the sharp end of their legal department's unpleasantries.

 

They also could make an incredibly :cuss: movie/tv show even while staying true to the lore for sure. But I think what people are saying is don't shoot yourself in the foot even before starting to write the script... More often than not these decision are taken in a group meeting and the people in the room have either 0 experience with the source material or barelly any and base decisions on their own wants and needs instead of what's actually good for the show. Also, most of them have an incredibly inflated ego about their writing which is very detrimental in general. They think they are writing the next breaking bad but they are actually writing Velma... 

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On 12/18/2023 at 12:27 PM, Mechanicus Tech-Support said:

I know RoP gets dragged a lot but weren't the writers hands tied for that one as they were only allowed to use a small part of the IP? ie. Making a show based off the Silmiril...Sil, but only being able to use some appendixes from The Hobbit/Fellowship. I doubt the 40k/WH show will have such stipulations (hopefully).

 

And if we're lucky we don't get writers "who can do better than the source material" (witcher). But having Cavill be involved gives me hope that he'll keep things on track like Sir Ian McKellen did for lotr

 

Yes but that doesn't excuse all ? Every single decision they made for this show was atrocious.

[Noserenda]

Scouts might not be a bad shout actually, if you are doing an origin story like Space wolf or Space Marine that would probably fill up the first series relatively cheaply for the main cast, you can do some perspective and scale tricks to aid that too, especially if you dont have any regular humans around most of the time.

You absolutely dont need to have weird gigantic bone structure, most marines dont probably. Though i guess scouts did get weird mutant chins for a long while :D 

Full helmets are fine too, the Mandalorian finally put that to rest i think, you just need to make the helmets distinct. Though decent actors dont even need that really.

[Scribe]

10 hours ago, Xenith said:

Game of Thrones was an unrelentingly miserable, unfair, grim and dark affair, with heads on spikes, incest and wolves heads sewn onto human bodies, and people loved it, until bad writing killed it. Witcher is the same. Children taken from parents and subjected to weird rituals and excessive training and then made into weapons to fight monsters. Space marines aren't too far a stretch from there. 

 

If they stick to  the fundamentals of good writing, then any weird, gothic, grimdark stuff, like servitors, servo skulls, etc, will have their place and be understood as part of that universe. 

 

Yep, the only question is how GW wants it marketed. If they try and push it to kids, then I think it will obviously be toned down.

[phandaal]

1 hour ago, Noserenda said:

You absolutely dont need to have weird gigantic bone structure, most marines dont probably.

 

Since when has this not been the case? Marines get an implant that changes the size and density of their skeleton. Weird thing to argue about.