Deal with GW/Amazon signed

[Noserenda]

1 hour ago, phandaal said:

 

Since when has this not been the case? Marines get an implant that changes the size and density of their skeleton. Weird thing to argue about.

I mean look at the art and models?

[Dark Shepherd]

2 hours ago, Noserenda said:

Scouts might not be a bad shout actually, if you are doing an origin story like Space wolf or Space Marine that would probably fill up the first series relatively cheaply for the main cast, you can do some perspective and scale tricks to aid that too, especially if you dont have any regular humans around most of the time.

You absolutely dont need to have weird gigantic bone structure, most marines dont probably. Though i guess scouts did get weird mutant chins for a long while :D 

Full helmets are fine too, the Mandalorian finally put that to rest i think, you just need to make the helmets distinct. Though decent actors dont even need that really.

Mandalorian was mostly one guy in full face helm (and more popular/established IP) plus Baby Yoda  :). Theres almost always a tonne of "inaccuracies" of soldiers not wearing helmets, camo paint etc so the audience can follow who they are

 

For scale, Ive met Christopher Meloni (Oz) and Cilian Murphy (Peaky Blinders) who play big dudes on TV and theyre about 5'8 at best; cast a load of 5'2 guardsmen/sororitas and 6'4 marines and youve got your transhuman disparity, even if it means all the marines will have Dutch and Icelandic accents :)

 

Scouts also probably have easier to make props eg shotguns, sniper rifles, giant spoons etc

[ThePenitentOne]

On 12/19/2023 at 2:24 AM, brother_b said:

My concerns are that some of the things that make 40K so interesting, grim, and dark will make the uninitiated cringe. Especially nowadays when being offended is a way of life, and cancel culture is a thing.

 

We get that humanity is “good” only in the sense that it’s “us” in the far future. Something familiar. Those of us that know the setting understand the tropes and satire with the ultra-fascist Imperium.

 

We get purge the unclean and die Xenos

scum when in fact it’s humanity that’s the true threat.

 

The general public? I’m not so sure about that. People get offended at everything. I’m concerned that if done poorly the backlash will 100% impact the game and lore we love in a negative fashion.

 

I have a lot of faith in those that are trying to bring these projects forward.

 

Henry Cavill protects!

 

 

 

Science fiction has always provided avenues for the discussion of things that would make people uncomfortable if not for the safe distance that sci-fi provides. There's A LOT of Harkonen vs. Fremen racism in Dune and it hasn't been cancelled yet.

 

The great thing about 40k is that it avoids some of the social perception pitfalls by handling gender fairly well- a Silent Sister, a Superior, a Banshee or a Wych... They'll all take the Pepsi challenge with Dudes. The universe is also so damn huge that no single show or even collection of shows will ever hit it all. If Repentia are too risque (and I'm not even sure that modern Repentia are, which is a good thing), they could still do a perfectly grimdark Sister-based plotline without Repentia.

 

And speaking of collections of shows:

 

Multi-series franchises streaming on demand is definitely what 40k cinema should grow into. Think of shows like Star Trek, Law and Order, Power, DC  and Yellowstone. The idea is that you have multiple series within the same universe available simultaneously. The shows be can be synchronous to allow for cross-overs and multiple perspectives within the same timeline, or asynchronous, to provide context. Obviously, this effort will need to grow into that status- doing 40k right is more expensive than Law and Order, Power, or Yellowstone. In order for it to work, it's critical that the first series in the franchise is a hit, and it's critical that the start the second series in the franchise at the peak of the first's popularity.

 

 

[Doctor Perils]

13 hours ago, Scribe said:

 

Yep, the only question is how GW wants it marketed. If they try and push it to kids, then I think it will obviously be toned down.

Has their BL kids series continued? Got the impression some parents here picked them up a few years ago and thought they were good, but then we haven't heard anything new about it, so it might not have had much commercial success?

[Joe]

2 hours ago, Doctor Perils said:

Has their BL kids series continued? Got the impression some parents here picked them up a few years ago and thought they were good, but then we haven't heard anything new about it, so it might not have had much commercial success?

 

There hasn't been any new releases in a few years. Which is a shame, as the actual series was earnestly pretty true to the state of the universe; it just suffered from the usual chinwits whining that it kiddified the setting when they had never actually read any of the books.

[ChapterMasterGodfrey]

I'm hoping for a good original story that can exist in-canon with other materials. I don't want a conversation to go:

 

"In Eisenhorn..."

"Book or show?"

"which is cannon?"

"Book!"

"No show!"

 

Have something that can work with the novels. Big characters can show up accross different thigs like they do already. Personally, I think Cavill will want to play Valdor. I think Valdor would be a good character to go with too. He's oming back to the setting (supposedly; let's get Pandemonium already!) and Valdor can pop up wherever he wants and feasibly interact with anyone in the setting.

[DemonGSides]

1 hour ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

I'm hoping for a good original story that can exist in-canon with other materials. I don't want a conversation to go:

 

"In Eisenhorn..."

"Book or show?"

"which is cannon?"

"Book!"

"No show!"

 

Have something that can work with the novels. Big characters can show up accross different thigs like they do already. Personally, I think Cavill will want to play Valdor. I think Valdor would be a good character to go with too. He's oming back to the setting (supposedly; let's get Pandemonium already!) and Valdor can pop up wherever he wants and feasibly interact with anyone in the setting.

 

The way GW sets up their lore, this shouldn't even be a conversation. Their position is that all books are told from in universe, so if they break established canon or accidentally (or purposefully) retcon something, they can say "Well no narrator is omnipotent in our lore" and it hand waves those convos away. 

 

Also, don't entertain fools and those types of convos go away lol

[Marshal Reinhard]

While following a set story is not a recipie for success on its own - when  compared to an all new entry, many would still argue the former is the safer option

[beefeb]

On 12/20/2023 at 3:35 PM, Cactus said:

Nope. I don't know who Rob is or what gossip he has. If you think it's relevant can you share it? This is just a press release anyway. I'm sure the actual contract text is very different.

Sorry, I assumed...but you know what they say about assuming.

 

Rob is an ex GW employee from the Twitch team that was established during covid.  He now runs a blog/discord/gaming setup called 'The Honest Wargamer'  he regularly posts on twitter, which is where i see most of his stuff...he seems a right good lad...I met him once in bugmans.  He had a few rumours about all this.

[DukeLeto69]

Anyone watched Rebel Moon on Netflix?

 

Some definite W40K vibes with Guard lookalikes, a warship exiting the warp, and even direct rip offs such as using the term Mechanicus.

 

However, it looked good and shows what could be done.

Edited December 30, 2023 by DukeLeto69

[MithrilForge]

I agree, rebel moon was pretty good, I saw 40k influence there most definitely, I wouldn’t say rip off though since most of GW stuff is the original rip off artist . 

looking forward to the next movie in April, if the GW Amazon stuff is the same quality as rebel moon it should be ok … 

 

 

Edited December 30, 2023 by Mumeishi

[ZeroWolf]

I'm not a big fan of Synders usually but If I had to choose a director...I probably would pick him as I think he'd be a good fit (and yes, I got 40k vibes from the 40k trailer...I blame the guy in the hat)

[DukeLeto69]

28 minutes ago, Mumeishi said:

I agree, rebel moon was pretty good, I saw 40k influence there most definitely, I wouldn’t say rip off though since most of GW stuff is the original rip off artist . 

looking forward to the next movie in April, if the GW Amazon stuff is the same quality as rebel moon it should be ok … 

 

 

 

Maybe I should have said “rip off” singular as it related to the use of the term “mechanicus”!

[Disruptor_fe404]

Militarum mechanicus, at that!

 

There's also this, which feels pretty... familiar? Can't quite put my finger on it... Hmm...

 

[Noserenda]

Yeah there is the usual Sci fi eating itself and then there is Rebel Moon just having a bunch of cadians in it...

[crimsondave]

I hadn't heard of it until these posts here.  A quick google search says the antagonists are the "Imperium."  So the rebel moon is rebelling against the Imperium?

[Nephaston]

1 hour ago, crimsondave said:

I hadn't heard of it until these posts here.  A quick google search says the antagonists are the "Imperium."  So the rebel moon is rebelling against the Imperium?

From what I heard it's PG-13 Seven Samurai in not-quite-40k. Though of course there are already rumours about an R-rated cut.

[Ming the Merciless]

1 hour ago, Nephaston said:

From what I heard it's PG-13 Seven Samurai in not-quite-40k. Though of course there are already rumours about an R-rated cut.

 

Sanitized sci-fi action fare with delusions of grandeur. I could'nt wait for it to be over, the hilariously bad trailer for part 2 convinced me to leave it there.

 

Visuals aside Rebel Moon is a low bar for any 40k movie to clear.

[mel_danes]

Rebel Moon, watched the whole thing for the team.

The design work was fine, imagery is ok. The acting, dialogue and plot are thin at best.

 

The sense of scale, of the events, the world and empire writ large all feel small.

I find this in a lot of TV and film. They want us to think something is huge and cyclopean but they don't ever give us the visuals or in world Intel to back it up.

 

It's a one man show, Zack. With all the limitations and shortcomings inherent in that kind of siloed production.

 

Hopefully Cavill and "team" get some good writers, and break down our setting into it's bare components, and crart a story worth watching.

Edited December 31, 2023 by mel_danes
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[Lord_Ikka]

11 minutes ago, mel_danes said:

Hopefully Cavill and "team" get some good writers, and break down our setting into it's bare components, and crazy a story worth watching.

I'd almost prefer something, like Interrogator, set in a hive city that features minor characters to start, rather than a giant sprawling narrative. You get the massive, hulking feel of the world and Imperium above (with devotional posters, slogans blaring, and visuals of Imperial Arbitrators and Administratum adepts constantly moving), while keeping the focus on a small scale, human driven story. No SM, or at least SM as an aside rather than a main character, so that the general public can get a feel for the universe- use regular people instead of a band of nobles/superior warriors. 

[DukeLeto69]

I deliberately did not “review” Rebel Moon as assumed the Mods would say it was off topic. But yeah as others have said...it was ok/passable but not great. Plot is Seven Samurai/Magnificent Seven using a W40k/SW background and look and feel. Highly derivative and unoriginal.

 

Story/acting aside, it does show that Amazon/GW and production company (name gone blank as I type) could do something good. But I was quite shocked at the specific Mechanicus reference and the warship re-entering realspace through a rift. The rest is arguably generic soldiers in space.

[ZeroWolf]

12 hours ago, Lord_Ikka said:

I'd almost prefer something, like Interrogator, set in a hive city that features minor characters to start, rather than a giant sprawling narrative. You get the massive, hulking feel of the world and Imperium above (with devotional posters, slogans blaring, and visuals of Imperial Arbitrators and Administratum adepts constantly moving), while keeping the focus on a small scale, human driven story. No SM, or at least SM as an aside rather than a main character, so that the general public can get a feel for the universe- use regular people instead of a band of nobles/superior warriors. 

I think this approach would work quite well. Luckily 40k as a setting could have a myriad of stories to tell, assuming they get the right people to tell the stories of course.

[tinpact]

My secret hope is that they'll go full Tokusatsu and make a worthy sequel to the 1997 Inquisitor live action short.

 

Of course, that would require physical costumes and props and real sets, which seem to be anathema to the modern film industry.

[Lord_Ikka]

=][= Netflix's film Rebel Moon, and it's quality/inspirations, is not the topic of this thread- the GW/Amazon deal is. Please stay on topic. =][=