Theory Theory: Chaos's Endgame for 40k (Spoilers)

[Moonreaper666]

So months ago this image was released by GW and it resembles the symbol for Chaos Undivided

 

 

While a certain title isn't here...

 

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Dark King, the 5th Chaos God

 

It is here under a different name the Encroaching Ruin

 

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Abaddon, the 5th Chaos God representing Humanity

 

The other ones are Malevolent Artifice

 

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Vashtorr

 

Ravenous Dissolution

 

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Drach'nyen

 

Formless Distortion

 

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Be'lakor

 

As to why these New Four have not yet become Chaos Gods yet well...

 

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It took a lot of effort and energy to make Horus as powerful as he was and he still wasn't a Chaos God

 

10k years of grimdark plus the Great Rift is needed to empower the New Four to become Chaos Gods...

 

...plus all 4 have to ascend at the same time

 

As to why the Old Four want this

 

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Undivided/Chaos as a whole gets stronger as more Chaos Gods enter the Great Game. So Khorne, Tzeentch, Nurgle and Slaanesh will get stronger as a side-effect

 

[Scribe]

NW - Khorne - Angron

SE - Slaanesh - Fulgrim

SW - Nurgle - Mortarion

NE - Tzeentch - Magnus

 

Seems pretty obvious.

 

North - Abaddon

East - Vaashtor

West - Belakor (Shadow/Formless?)

South - ??? (Dissolution - Breakdown of Institution, Debauched Living) 

 

So yeah, we need a new HQ/Leader that is not about just Ruin, but the complete breakdown of everything. Essentially the Malice stand in.

 

I disagree that these are all eventual gods, or even intended/desired to be gods. They are just subsets or aspects of the 4.

[Scribe]

Oh, and I would have put

 

Ruin at West

Artifice at North

Distortion at East

[Dr_Ruminahui]

For those who are interested, this version of the Chaos star was previously discussed here.  Given that the previous discussion is almost a year old, I decided against merging them, but there may be relevant comments in it, so I've provided the link.

[Moonreaper666]

3 hours ago, Scribe said:

NW - Khorne - Angron

SE - Slaanesh - Fulgrim

SW - Nurgle - Mortarion

NE - Tzeentch - Magnus

 

Seems pretty obvious.

 

North - Abaddon

East - Vaashtor

West - Belakor (Shadow/Formless?)

South - ??? (Dissolution - Breakdown of Institution, Debauched Living) 

 

So yeah, we need a new HQ/Leader that is not about just Ruin, but the complete breakdown of everything. Essentially the Malice stand in.

 

I disagree that these are all eventual gods, or even intended/desired to be gods. They are just subsets or aspects of the 4.

 

It would make sense that the Old Four would help elevated the New Four (Abaddon, Drach'nyen, Be'lakor and Vashtorr) as Chaos Gods as it is just a newer version of their Plan A during the Heresy

 

Fortunately for the enemies of Chaos the 13th Black Crusade hasn't eclipsed the Heresy AND War in Heaven YET

 

All four must ascend together or none at all

[Scribe]

4 hours ago, Moonreaper666 said:

It would make sense that the Old Four would help elevated the New Four (Abaddon, Drach'nyen, Be'lakor and Vashtorr) as Chaos Gods as it is just a newer version of their Plan A during the Heresy

 

It doesnt make sense at all, because they are abstract concepts given a semblence of consciousness.

 

The pond does not increase in size just because a section of it decides it is now called Bob.

 

Chaos is the Warp, the Sea of Souls, and it is not increased by the elevation of anyone new God, simply a portion of it will identify with it as that new God.

 

If Abaddon ascends, nothing really changes. If the Emperor ascends, nothing (should) change, unless Haley decides to ruin the IP.

 

There is the 4, there is the Primordial Annihilator/Chaos Undivided. This is the same thing.

 

The plan already went off, its an Eternity of War and the laughter of thirsting Gods. Thats it.

[Moonreaper666]

5 hours ago, Scribe said:

 

It doesnt make sense at all, because they are abstract concepts given a semblence of consciousness.

 

The pond does not increase in size just because a section of it decides it is now called Bob.

 

Chaos is the Warp, the Sea of Souls, and it is not increased by the elevation of anyone new God, simply a portion of it will identify with it as that new God.

 

If Abaddon ascends, nothing really changes. If the Emperor ascends, nothing (should) change, unless Haley decides to ruin the IP.

 

There is the 4, there is the Primordial Annihilator/Chaos Undivided. This is the same thing.

 

The plan already went off, its an Eternity of War and the laughter of thirsting Gods. Thats it.

 

The plan was delayed and underwent revision, paraphrasing Erebus's comment

 

Horus is Morkar the 1st Everchosen. Abaddon is Archaon the last Everchosen

 

End Times resulted in both Archaon and the Horned Rat joining the Pantheon

 

Samus is STILL AROUND POST-HERESY FOLLOWING ABADDON

 

The new Warmaster will slay the Emperor at his post-Rift prime quite easily for he has three things Horus the weakling lack:

 

-A powerful, individual, unbroken soul. The Pantheon can pour more of their power into Abaddon without breaking him

 

-Abaddon has no attachments anymore. Loken and Horus were the last two and they are dead. He ain't letting go of any power

 

-Drach'nyen will permanently and instantly kill the Emperor

 

The Emperor is one of 8 'sacrifices' needed to ascend the New Four and permanently empower the Old Four

 

Sigismund in his prime couldn't beat one of Typhus's more competent lackeys on his own. Abaddon killed a Custode with a single blow

[Scribe]

Again none of that is correct or relevant to any reading or understanding of the lore. AoS is irrelevant and bad fluff, there is zero need for 4 more gods, and Chaos already got what it wanted. 40K is not the Imperium Dream, it's a hellscape of Chaos.

 

Samus, is utterly irrelevant and can be safely dropped into the Abnettverse and ignored forever.

[Moonreaper666]

25 minutes ago, Scribe said:

Again none of that is correct or relevant to any reading or understanding of the lore. AoS is irrelevant and bad fluff, there is zero need for 4 more gods, and Chaos already got what it wanted. 40K is not the Imperium Dream, it's a hellscape of Chaos.

 

Samus, is utterly irrelevant and can be safely dropped into the Abnettverse and ignored forever.

 

Samus didn't die during the Siege. He still follows the one currently in line to be the 5th Chaos God, Abaddon.

 

Samus showed up in Gaunt's Ghost. He will show up in the Black Legion and post-Rift novels

 

Chaos Undivided grows stronger with more Chaos Gods. Elevating the New Four elevates the violence and destruction which empowers the Old Four even more

 

Erebus is still trying to kill the Emperor and elevate others to be Chaos Gods present day

 

New 40k takes more and more inspiration from Fantasy/Age of Sigmar

 

-Tyranids don't grow in number when fighting Daemons. The Neverborn do grow in number when they kill Tyranids or anything. Every kill the CSM inflict on their enemies produces more Daemons. Erebus's statement confirms this

 

-Ynnari storyline retcons War in Heaven to be Fantasy's Coming of Chaos 2.0

 

-Abaddon is no longer human unlike SM and Custodes

 

-Chaos is now the main threat in both 30k/40k and Age of Sigmar

[Karhedron]

Abaddon has zero interest in becoming a new Chaos God. He just wants revenge for the Traitors' defeat at the end of the Heresy. He wants to watch the Galaxy burn. He regards Chaos as a mean to the end. He is not a believer like Lorgar and Word Bearers for whom Chaos itself is the end.

[Moonreaper666]

1 hour ago, Karhedron said:

Abaddon has zero interest in becoming a new Chaos God. He just wants revenge for the Traitors' defeat at the end of the Heresy. He wants to watch the Galaxy burn. He regards Chaos as a mean to the end. He is not a believer like Lorgar and Word Bearers for whom Chaos itself is the end.

 

Pre-retcon Abaddon yes. Post-Vol 3 Abaddon not so much

 

He is the Encroaching Ruin (which is another way of saying Despoiler)

 

He will become a Chaos God for the same reason he let Erebus corrupt him in Vol 3 to beat the Custodes, power for victory at any cost

 

It's the only way Abaddon can beat and kill a revived Emperor which will happen at some point

 

It is why the Mark Abaddon has is the Mark of Chaos ASCENDANT. He is already ascending like Horus did.

 

He already took the first step in Lost and the Damned when he subconciously accepted Chaos and become immune to Nurgle's plagues as shown when he inhaled Mortarion's filthy stench

 

The Black Legion novels is about Abaddon accepting his new self. Why Samus will show up in Book 3