HH2 No Gods, No Masters: Blackshield Tactica

[XiaphasJurr]

2 hours ago, thenemeanreaver said:

In the Legion Trait section found on page 131 physical and 151 digitally (Lmao), there is the rule "A Terrible Purpose" that then states "A detachment with the Blackshields faction may not use Rites of War". It's kinda strange that they felt the need to clarify that they can't use legion rites of wars and then clarify "we also mean no rites at all", but that's Jimmy Workshop rules writing for you.

Damn I missed that, thanks for clarifying! Really sucks, I don't think it would have been too much to use generic ROWs.

[thenemeanreaver]

27 minutes ago, XiaphasJurr said:

Damn I missed that, thanks for clarifying! Really sucks, I don't think it would have been too much to use generic ROWs.

I think combining the Flesh is Weak oath with the all biker rite would have been pretty bonkers lol, a whole army that is fearless with a built in FNP

[Casual Heresy]

I'm planning to use the Blackshields rules to make a warband of red-marked Ultramarines. My goal with my Heresy collection is to keep everything (for now atleast) thematically linked to the Ultramarines legion. Blackshields lets me build a thematic force with tactics and wargear I can't play using the Ultramarines, but by painting them as red-marked I can borrow vehicles from the main force.

 

I am stuck on oaths at the moment. I'm currently thinking of Panolopy of Old with Imperial Fists as an opportunity to convert some shield bearing terminators as well as deepstriking them. But currently stuck on what else (though @thenemeanreaver's idea of Deathlock Seeker Squads sounds potentially fun!)

 

 

[Unknown Legionnaire]

On 4/21/2024 at 8:21 AM, thenemeanreaver said:

What is your 1st choice of Legion to steal from?

Chainaxes all around, or Cyber-Hawks seem pretty neat.

[thenemeanreaver]

14 hours ago, Casual Heresy said:

I'm planning to use the Blackshields rules to make a warband of red-marked Ultramarines. My goal with my Heresy collection is to keep everything (for now atleast) thematically linked to the Ultramarines legion. Blackshields lets me build a thematic force with tactics and wargear I can't play using the Ultramarines, but by painting them as red-marked I can borrow vehicles from the main force.

 

I am stuck on oaths at the moment. I'm currently thinking of Panolopy of Old with Imperial Fists as an opportunity to convert some shield bearing terminators as well as deepstriking them. But currently stuck on what else (though @thenemeanreaver's idea of Deathlock Seeker Squads sounds potentially fun!)

 

 

It's telling that the Imperial Fists are so good that Ultramarine players wanna steal their wargear ;)

[Casual Heresy]

6 hours ago, thenemeanreaver said:

It's telling that the Imperial Fists are so good that Ultramarine players wanna steal their wargear ;)

I mean we already did it to the Iron Warriors…

 

Also one conversion project it provides is to kitbash Suzerain style terminators with shields. 
 

I am also tempted to convert Thiel for the commander. Think a halo blade and one of the warlord traits would be a faithful representation. 

[Drippy Waffler]

I'm having a look at Panoply of Old (World Eaters) and In Disgrace All Are Equal and trying to find some caedere weapons synergy with the +1 to WS or I or T. Any thoughts?

[Heir of Sigismund]

Falax blades already having duelists edge plus the extra initiative definitely pretty awesome, would mean your vets/despoilers are hitting before characters 

tbf they are THE caedere weapon to take this edition

Just keep in mind the oaths don’t apply to your own characters

Edited April 29 by Heir of Sigismund

[thenemeanreaver]

I'm having such a hard time deciding what Oaths to build around. I'm theming my Blackshields as Dark Brotherhood survivors that fled the Alpha Legion ambush at Optera, so I was leaning towards Panoply of Old (Alpha Legion) to represent them looting their foes. Not sure what to pair that with. The list I'm planning is a pretty shooty list, so maybe double up on Panoply and choose White Scars for the Cyber Hawk?

 

I would really like to try Panoply (Night Lords) for Preysight and Trophies of Judgement, but I have seen people arguing that Panoply does not let you take Armoury options that just give models USRs (Maybe my local boys are just too deep into the rules lawyering).

Edited May 9 by thenemeanreaver

[The Scorpion]

What would y'all reckon are the best Oaths to represent the Gerasene Host?

 

The old Black Books describe them as Chymerae, so Boken Helix would be a thing, and the minis from the Beta Garmon book showcase with the "weapons of desperation", but that doesn't fit their other lore where they are armed with bolters even during the long and gruelling Treab's World campaign, or having Terminators (and Tartaros at that) during their encounter with the White Scars.

[Unknown Legionnaire]

1 hour ago, The Scorpion said:

What would y'all reckon are the best Oaths to represent the Gerasene Host?

 

The old Black Books describe them as Chymerae, so Boken Helix would be a thing, and the minis from the Beta Garmon book showcase with the "weapons of desperation", but that doesn't fit their other lore where they are armed with bolters even during the long and gruelling Treab's World campaign, or having Terminators (and Tartaros at that) during their encounter with the White Scars.

 

I always found that picture of them, in the Beta Garmon book, brandishing non-legionary firearms, to be misleading.

Wouldn't select 'Weapons of Desperation' for them.

 

Most likely, I'd go with 'Broken Helix' and 'Panoply of Old (Death Guard)' for them.

 

[Razorblade]

I would probably go with abberants and spoils of victory to represent their terror tactics.

[The Scorpion]

On 7/31/2024 at 1:22 AM, Razorblade said:

I would probably go with abberants and spoils of victory to represent their terror tactics.

Interesting, I thought that "clone" would have fit them better, since they didn't strike me as a particularly close-combat focused force.

[Razorblade]

 

Interesting, I thought that "clone" would have fit them better, since they didn't strike me as a particularly close-combat focused force.

It's about the whole terror troops thing. I think Melee savagery fits that better than slow clones 

[Swordbiter]

What is your take on running The Broken Helix with Pride Is Our Armour?

 

The Broken Helix makes all models lose Fury-, heart- and spite of the Legion along with Inexorable.

Pride is our armour allows you to upgrade veteran squads to give them line,  heart- and fury of the Legion.

 

Which rule overrides the other?

[SlickSamos]

I believe it works like this: 

 

You can give your Vets the selection of rules plus Line for 50pts, Broken Helix then swaps the special rules for either the Aberrant or Clone special rule. 

 

The Vets still get Line and either the improvements from Aberrant or Clone and keep the Chosen Warrior and Relentless special rules.  

 

Rules of note:

 

"A model with this Oath and any of the special rules noted in the following list, lose all of the noted special rules they possess, but gain either the Clone or Aberrant special rule."

(i.e. it always happens as a permanent checking loop thing)

 

"Any Legion Veteran Squads ... with this Oath may be upgraded for +50 points per unit, gaining the ... special rules"

 

Edited September 19 by SlickSamos

[Dagoth Ur]

Yeah that's how me and my group have interpreted it as well.

 

Unrelated, but it appears that some of the Salamanders characters and Narik Dreygur in the Legacies PDF have been amended to be able to be taken in Blackshield lists.

[thenemeanreaver]

Lol a Blackshields detachment using the Pride is Our Armor and Panoply of Old (Salamanders) oaths with Cassian Dracos as the warlord may take Adherents as troops choices...

 

Nevermind the fact you get no troop slots in Pride is Our Armor...

[Ripper.McGuirl]

On 10/21/2024 at 11:02 AM, thenemeanreaver said:

Lol a Blackshields detachment using the Pride is Our Armor and Panoply of Old (Salamanders) oaths with Cassian Dracos as the warlord may take Adherents as troops choices...

 

Nevermind the fact you get no troop slots in Pride is Our Armor...

First: Thank you for mentioning this because I had no idea they stealth updated the Salamander Characters! Second, it's awesome they are going back and tweaking things like this in order to add variety. Third, sigh...they almost had it. At least Jurr and Dreygur can be taken together and have adherents as troops, and Jurr is kind of a fun character to lead a small army. This is also a fun way/reason to have Salamander destroyer/moritats in the mix. Maybe they'll sneakily alter the Dracos entry at some point and change Adherents to Elite for use in Pride is our Armour lists.

[Ripper.McGuirl]

On 10/28/2024 at 10:54 AM, Ripper.McGuirl said:

First: Thank you for mentioning this because I had no idea they stealth updated the Salamander Characters! Second, it's awesome they are going back and tweaking things like this in order to add variety. Third, sigh...they almost had it. At least Jurr and Dreygur can be taken together and have adherents as troops, and Jurr is kind of a fun character to lead a small army. This is also a fun way/reason to have Salamander destroyer/moritats in the mix. Maybe they'll sneakily alter the Dracos entry at some point and change Adherents to Elite for use in Pride is our Armour lists.

Annnd upon further reading, Jurr’s warlord trait is also broken so he can’t actually take the Adherents as troops, either.