Solaria Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 I’m building a Landraider and want you to help me decide whether it be a Crusader or a Redeemer. I play Black Templars as the main Astartes. Crusader is fluffy, but I love the massive flamer … don’t want to magnify anything just will choose one or the other. Helias_Tancred 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384017-land-raider-crusader-or-redeemer-what%E2%80%99ll-it-be/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Knight Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 The Redeemer has superior rules and is more useful! Solaria 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384017-land-raider-crusader-or-redeemer-what%E2%80%99ll-it-be/#findComment-6065514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
calgar101 Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 My vote is from a pure lore perspective, Crusader all the way. Solaria and Orion 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384017-land-raider-crusader-or-redeemer-what%E2%80%99ll-it-be/#findComment-6065519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 My dirty secret is I've never liked the crusader. The hurricane bolters just don't do it for me. I would probably cave if GW made a new kit though. Back in the day I went with spartan assault tanks, but feels less advicable now that they're legends'ed Helias_Tancred and Solaria 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384017-land-raider-crusader-or-redeemer-what%E2%80%99ll-it-be/#findComment-6065523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution Karhedron Posted September 20 Solution Share Posted September 20 I am running a Crusader but find the firepower is mediocre. I would go Redeemer. As well as the usual benefits, the Overwatch stratagem creates a 12" bubble of "Nope" around it. TheArtilleryman and Solaria 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384017-land-raider-crusader-or-redeemer-what%E2%80%99ll-it-be/#findComment-6065524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solaria Posted September 20 Author Share Posted September 20 Thank you all for the response- I’ll go with the Redeemer! Karhedron and Helias_Tancred 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384017-land-raider-crusader-or-redeemer-what%E2%80%99ll-it-be/#findComment-6065542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadlessCross Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 The Redeemer has superior rules and is more useful! To be fair they have the same exact rules, just different equipment. But yeah, Redeemer offers more for the cost. I find it Redeemer = Godhammer > Crusader I like the Crusader's superior space, but due to GW's new policy of min/max units, you can't take advantage of it. You'd expect the opposite, but nope. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384017-land-raider-crusader-or-redeemer-what%E2%80%99ll-it-be/#findComment-6065596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helias_Tancred Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 I like all three but for specific reasons for each. I run a standard Land Raider Godhammer pattern because it is part of my anti-tank units for my Black Templar collection. If I bought and used another land raider it would be a struggle between the strength of collection thematics vs. rules power. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384017-land-raider-crusader-or-redeemer-what%E2%80%99ll-it-be/#findComment-6065604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helias_Tancred Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 My dirty secret is I've never liked the crusader. The hurricane bolters just don't do it for me. I would probably cave if GW made a new kit though. Back in the day I went with spartan assault tanks, but feels less advicable now that they're legends'ed Haha see Crusade Chaplain Bohemund for due penance. ;) Yeah I feel similar ... Solaria 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384017-land-raider-crusader-or-redeemer-what%E2%80%99ll-it-be/#findComment-6065605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solaria Posted September 20 Author Share Posted September 20 I like all three but for specific reasons for each. I run a standard Land Raider Godhammer pattern because it is part of my anti-tank units for my Black Templar collection. If I bought and used another land raider it would be a struggle between the strength of collection thematics vs. rules power. That was my struggle. I prefer the way the flamer looks though Helias_Tancred 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384017-land-raider-crusader-or-redeemer-what%E2%80%99ll-it-be/#findComment-6065626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solaria Posted September 20 Author Share Posted September 20 and now it needs some paint. I really liked the kit and it’s the first time I’ve built one. Will probably get another. Helias_Tancred, Karhedron, svane jotunsbane and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384017-land-raider-crusader-or-redeemer-what%E2%80%99ll-it-be/#findComment-6065627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheArtilleryman Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 I love the Redeemer and always wanted one for my Grey Knights, because burning daemons just always seemed like the right thing to do … Cenobite Terminator and Helias_Tancred 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384017-land-raider-crusader-or-redeemer-what%E2%80%99ll-it-be/#findComment-6065629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helias_Tancred Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 It looks great! I love the Redeemer and always wanted one for my Grey Knights, because burning daemons just always seemed like the right thing to do … On that note burning things is sorta Black Templar-ish too. TheArtilleryman 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384017-land-raider-crusader-or-redeemer-what%E2%80%99ll-it-be/#findComment-6065652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cenobite Terminator Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 (edited) With the changes to overwatch the redeemer is the clear winner imo. Edited September 24 by Cenobite Terminator Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384017-land-raider-crusader-or-redeemer-what%E2%80%99ll-it-be/#findComment-6065839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deafbok Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 Ha! Funny, I've just been pondering getting a Land Raider myself, and thinking of the exact same question re: which variant to buy. That said, what do you need around one to make it work? My current thinking is target saturation with other armour - I have 2 Repulsors, and am thinking of throwing 2 Redemptors into a list with them (own 1 of those, too.) Never got around to owning one with my Firstborn battle company, and feels like it might be one of those things to get done before it potentially gets shuffled out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384017-land-raider-crusader-or-redeemer-what%E2%80%99ll-it-be/#findComment-6066370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheArtilleryman Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 I think they’d have a full-scale rebellion on their hands if they squatted the land raider. Cenobite Terminator and Orion 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384017-land-raider-crusader-or-redeemer-what%E2%80%99ll-it-be/#findComment-6066388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Knight Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 I think they’d have a full-scale rebellion on their hands if they squatted the land raider. I don't think they'll do that, but they may well replace it at some point over the next edition or two. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384017-land-raider-crusader-or-redeemer-what%E2%80%99ll-it-be/#findComment-6066474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 (edited) That said, what do you need around one to make it work? My current thinking is target saturation with other armour - I have 2 Repulsors, and am thinking of throwing 2 Redemptors into a list with them (own 1 of those, too.) The two things that have worked well for me are target saturation and appropriate cargo. Since you have the Assault Ramp rule to allow charging after disembarking, it makes sense to make use of that. This could be something as cheap as Assault Intercessors or it could be fully tooled up units like Bladeguard Veterans or Aggressors. Edited September 25 by Karhedron Cenobite Terminator 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384017-land-raider-crusader-or-redeemer-what%E2%80%99ll-it-be/#findComment-6066489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 Have been putting a Redeemer together for my Crimson Fists (using the Firestorm detachment). I'll admit that the kit hasn't quite aged as well as others and I'm now struggling with how to put the SB, MM, and HK all onto it Cenobite Terminator 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384017-land-raider-crusader-or-redeemer-what%E2%80%99ll-it-be/#findComment-6067104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 Took the Redeemer for a spin in a 1500 point game vs Dukari (or was it Drew Carey... ). Firestorm detachment plus the Redeemer, plus overwatch was very satisfying I must admit. Cenobite Terminator 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384017-land-raider-crusader-or-redeemer-what%E2%80%99ll-it-be/#findComment-6068144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 The Crusader is superior in exactly one way: max range of its sponson weapons. My Redeemer is so feared that my usual opponents bend their whole armies to killing it on Turn One, if able. The Flamestorm Cannons are quite simply dangerous. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384017-land-raider-crusader-or-redeemer-what%E2%80%99ll-it-be/#findComment-6068187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 simply dangerous. Now that's an understatement. You need to make sure you have multiple "I need to kill that fast" targets to distract your opponent. Repulsor Executioner and Vindicator for example. The lot I play with really hate having a Vindicator thrown at a tough squad or targeting vehicles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384017-land-raider-crusader-or-redeemer-what%E2%80%99ll-it-be/#findComment-6068221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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