40k Knight Questoris Defender + Codex: Imperial Knights

[prava]

16 hours ago, Matrindur said:

Huh they actually split up the Questoris again.

Or I guess its just adding another version since the only thing missing will be the Canis Rex sprue.

Also since the missile launcher rumour engine isn't here it might be for the Chaos Knights release?

 

Could it be that one of those boxes will be used for the chaotic variants? And yet both boxes will have an imperial-only sprue in them. Weird.

[Magos Takatus]

1 hour ago, sairence said:

I don't hate it. I probably would have prefered a new Armiger with a proper anti horde layout, as that's an actual gap in the army.

 

Curious how they'll stat it so it doesn't step on the toes of either the Crusader or the Castellan. 

I have mixed feelings about this. I do see this niche and it would be handy, but I do feel it would only hasten the factions' devolution from Imperial and Chaos Knights into Imperial/Chaos Squires even more. To me a Knight army focused on Armiger equivalents is like a space marine army focused mainly on scouts. Sure, you can do it, and right now the rules encourage it (In the case of Knights, not scouts, obviously), but it steps around the main selling point of the army.

 

I think I'd rather have a selection of big Knights on the table with a few cheap household infantry units mopping up and claiming objectives rather than a big Knight or two and water those down with a horde of baby Knights in order to gain board control. I'm not sure, as I said, I feel mixed on the situation. I do like the Armiger-class units, but I do think they are a bit over represented currently.

Edited May 6 by Magos Takatus

[beefeb]

so its a new upgrade sprue packaged with the same old monopose legs!  what a disappointment!

[Nephaston]

26 minutes ago, prava said:

 

Could it be that one of those boxes will be used for the chaotic variants? And yet both boxes will have an imperial-only sprue in them. Weird.

Afaik chaos knights had their own questoris kit (called abhorrent) for a while now, coming with melty spooky faces, chains, spikes, digitigrade legs, and as of the abominant, birds and a tail.

Presumably they are currently not on the website for repackaging and including whatever the new variant needs in sprues.  As far as I can tell only base armiger/war dog chassis and dominus/tyrant kits remain shared.

[Valkyrion]

Plastic Void Shield means we're 1% closer to a plastic Warhound. 

[Karhedron]

2 hours ago, sairence said:

I don't hate it. I probably would have prefered a new Armiger with a proper anti horde layout, as that's an actual gap in the army.

 

Yes, the inflexibility of Armigers compared to Wardogs is a little frustrating.

  

2 hours ago, sairence said:

Curious how they'll stat it so it doesn't step on the toes of either the Crusader or the Castellan. 

 

That is a good question as at the moment it looks like a half-way house between the two. The Plasma cannon on the Castellan is only slightly better than the one on the Redemptor Dreadnought. It would be strange if the Defender's plasma cannon is weaker than one the Space Marines mount on their Dreadnoughts. 

 

The lack of melee weapons clearly makes comparisons to the Crusader inevitable. We can probably get an idea of the stats of the Conversion Beamer by looking at the Votan range. It will probably be another middling weapon with 2-4 attacks, S10, Ap-3 3D and Sustained Hits which will give Knights yet another tool for killing elite infantry. However since Deathguard seem to be pushing the elite infantry envelope at the moment, maybe that is not a bad thing.

[Mogger351]

1 hour ago, Nephaston said:

Afaik chaos knights had their own questoris kit (called abhorrent) for a while now, coming with melty spooky faces, chains, spikes, digitigrade legs, and as of the abominant, birds and a tail.

Presumably they are currently not on the website for repackaging and including whatever the new variant needs in sprues.  As far as I can tell only base armiger/war dog chassis and dominus/tyrant kits remain shared.

Chaos needed the questoris kit for one of their entries and some loadout pieces.

 

This split is interesting as they don't have the las-impulsor or canis rex. Which instead suggests they might get chrome dome here, and this becomes their box to share? It is diluting the loyalist faction if they do that though.

[Orange Knight]

I like this new Knight well enough. I'll look forward to the rules for that void shield.

 

Although, that being said - I recently sold off multiple Knights I own as I've been downsizing the collection.

[Jukkiz]

so it´s warden kit with extra tilt shield, faceplate, void shield on carapase and two new knight weapons?

[Karhedron]

37 minutes ago, Jukkiz said:

so it´s warden kit with extra tilt shield, faceplate, void shield on carapase and two new knight weapons?

 

 

I am not quite sure. I think we will have 5 questoris sprues once this new Knight drops.

• 2 core sprues that cover the chassis, Paladin and Errant
• Avenger/Crusader sprue that covers Fist, carapace weapons and Avenger gatling cannon.
• Preceptor sprue that has the Las Impulsor and pilot.
• Defender sprue which will have Plasma cannon, C-Beamer and Void shield

We will have to wait and see what combo of sprues GW settles on. It would be weird to include the Warden sprue with the Defender since it doesn't look like it will use any of the parts from it.

 

[Mogger351]

6 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

 

 

I am not quite sure. I think we will have 5 questoris sprues once this new Knight drops.

• 2 core sprues that cover the chassis, Paladin and Errant
• Avenger/Crusader sprue that covers Fist, carapace weapons and Avenger gatling cannon.
• Preceptor sprue that has the Las Impulsor and pilot.
• Defender sprue which will have Plasma cannon, C-Beamer and Void shield

We will have to wait and see what combo of sprues GW settles on. It would be weird to include the Warden sprue with the Defender since it doesn't look like it will use any of the parts from it.

 

It tells you on the article they're doing that, the only sprue different is the defender or preceptor sprue.

[Bouargh]

I've just noticed the stubber looks different too: more aligned with the AdMech design for Phosphor blasters than stubbers held by the previous versions of the knights.

Could it be a heavy phosphor blaster?

[lhg033]

so,... Imperial Knight renegade 3.0 due to be released...?

 

I want the new knight for completeness sake but I am not sure I need more Questoris chassis knights. 

I would prefer some more variety in the helverns and/or some of the FW models moving to plastic,... or for Cerastus to be actually be supported (unless I have missed something and they are now - been a while since I've invested time into my knights to check back)

[Redcomet]

16 minutes ago, lhg033 said:

so,... Imperial Knight renegade 3.0 due to be released...?

 

I want the new knight for completeness sake but I am not sure I need more Questoris chassis knights. 

I would prefer some more variety in the helverns and/or some of the FW models moving to plastic,... or for Cerastus to be actually be supported (unless I have missed something and they are now - been a while since I've invested time into my knights to check back)

Cerastus are a HH product so not in any 40k codex

[ThaneOfTas]

1 hour ago, Karhedron said:

It would be weird to include the Warden sprue with the Defender since it doesn't look like it will use any of the parts from it.

Pretty sure everything from the blast shield back on the C-beam is from the avenger cannon actually 

[sairence]

30 minutes ago, Redcomet said:

Cerastus are a HH product so not in any 40k codex

They've always had rules to be playable in 40k. The Lancer and Atrapos have been popping up in lists all edition, the Magaera was a favourite in 9th. 

 

I'm pretty confident we're keeping them too. Just like Custodes, the model line would be incredibly small otherwise.

[Armchair Warlord]

Regarding the talk of human / on foot units - I personally wouldn't mind some exploration of 'the Sacristans' and some of the off key looking humans in the ary work

 

[prava]

7 hours ago, Nephaston said:

Afaik chaos knights had their own questoris kit (called abhorrent) for a while now, coming with melty spooky faces, chains, spikes, digitigrade legs, and as of the abominant, birds and a tail.

Presumably they are currently not on the website for repackaging and including whatever the new variant needs in sprues.  As far as I can tell only base armiger/war dog chassis and dominus/tyrant kits remain shared.

 

Isn't the DESPOILER the one you build with the questoris box?

[Chapter Master Valrak]

 

Spoiler

 

 

Sorry, I am late to the party...I like the new Weapons, shield generator is quite underwhelming.

[Karhedron]

26 minutes ago, Chapter Master Valrak said:

Sorry, I am late to the party...I like the new Weapons, shield generator is quite underwhelming.

 

I like the model, as for how it functions as a unit, we will have to wait and see the rules. The shield generator could be amazing or rubbish. The plasma cannon seems to have quite a narrow design window between the Castellan and the Redemptor. The C-Beam is the unknown at this point

[DuskRaider]

On 5/5/2025 at 9:04 AM, StrangerOrders said:

Well, looks like another vindication-rak.

 

So Siege Drill Chaos Knight is more or less guaranteed then?

 

I do wonder how the conversion beamer is going to work though, those things have traditionally been long ranged affairs but the fluff makes it sound like this one wants to move forward to shield?

 

Or maybe its more geared towards parking lot lists?

I would assume the idea is to get long range Beam shots off in the first couple rounds while moving up the board. By Turn 2 / 3, all the high power shorter range weapons will be able to hit, while the Beam is still potent in Medium and even Short range to an extent. At that point, the Void Shield would be used to absorb shots. 
 

Obviously I don’t know what the stats are on a Questoris Beam or this Knight’s primary use, but that’s just what I feel it would excel at. 

[PeteySödes]

Im really curious what the rules for the shield are, i feel like with the official terrain rules its awkward enough to run the big boys so death star knights im not sure about. Cmon chaos preview!

[Nephaston]

2 hours ago, prava said:

 

Isn't the DESPOILER the one you build with the questoris box?

Yes, but Abhorrent is the unifying keyword for questoris type knights on the chaos side.

[Dr_Ruminahui]

2 hours ago, Nephaston said:

Yes, but Abhorrent is the unifying keyword for questoris type knights on the chaos side.

 

I feel like the two of you are talking past each other, in that you are both right but really aren't meaningfully addressing each others points.

 

Yes, the Abhorrent keyword applies to all Chaos "medium" sized knights - the chaos version of the Questoris keyword.

 

Yes, the Despoiler is a Chaos Abhorrent class knight, but is is only buildable using the Imperial box as the Chaos Abhorrent box doesn't have most of the Despoiler's weapon options.  This is also true of the Executioner wardog, whose weapon options are only available through the Imperial Helverin/Warglaive kit (this is also true, to a lesser extent, for the Huntsman wardog, whose meltagun carapace option is only available with the imperial kit, but who you can build with the Wardog kit if you give it the carapace stubber).  Finally, there is no chaos kit for the Tyrant, who can only be built using the imperial Castellan/Valiant kit. 

 

So far we have seen nothing to indicate any of this cross-team reliance for kits will change - instead, it looks like the new Abhorrent kit will be a new sprue for the existing model, as the Defender is for the imperial one.  And to note, while the Chaos Knight's codex has since its inception relied on imperial kits, these have always been imperial kits - there has yet to be a 40K knight kit with different parts that are specifically for each faction.  Or, put in other words, there have never been any split faction 40K knight kits, just imperial kits used by the chaos faction.

Edited May 6 by Dr_Ruminahui

[Focslain]

The split boxes makes abit more sense now. Since Chaos can't use the preceptor and now the Defender might be another Imperial only knight, why charge the chaos players for sprues they can't use.