40k 40k Perturabo + Stand-Alone Iron Warriors Codex (RUMOUR)

[Galron]

I like the Kill Team approach or the Loyalist special character+detachment approach. The EC redux would be horrific, Im repainting my old EC vehicles into IW, NL and loyalist marine as I get around to them as it is. 

[DeadFingers]

On 11/3/2025 at 12:20 PM, DeadFingers said:

Some people I talk to say they've heard he had the contents of Skaventide right, but with his MO of deleting his own posts and TGA's rumour thread being now close to 8000 pages long, I haven't checked that far back. I value what little's left of my sanity. However, he has predicted a lot of specific things for Nurgle and Ogres in the AoS end of things just days before GW teased both factions, and the Darkwater leak confirmed plenty of those specific things he mentioned (pestigors, shaman, blightkings, maybe plague trolls). So at the very least he's on a good path to have a trustworthy track record, and hopefully this week's preview event will truly settle things one way or the other.

Bringing this back for a moment. I know the following is not 40k, but they are rumours from Boole, whose credibility is relevant and important to the topic at hand. And after last night's preview, the tally is as follows:

 

 

Some assumptions have been made about which is which (the witch is the ritualist, the wretches are the reavers, etc.) but the Quest and AoS releases line up 1:1 with this. So needless to say, his credibility just shot up something fierce. On the other hand, this bit wasn't quite as correct:

 

 

It was "just" 4 kits. Even taking into account that two of those kits make 2 extra units, it doesn't fit. There's the possibility that he meant Cathay would be 10+ kits total, which is true now and I could believe it's what he meant as he doesn't really like saying things in a straightforward way.

And of course there was the very vague yet still correct rumour about Ultramarines getting more, which also rang true thanks to Titus and friends.

 

So at the very least he doesn't seem to just be making things up. Make of that what you will.

Edited November 8 by DeadFingers

[LSM]

2 hours ago, DeadFingers said:

On the other hand, this bit wasn't quite as correct:

 

 

It was "just" 4 kits. Even taking into account that two of those kits make 2 extra units, it doesn't fit. There's the possibility that he meant Cathay would be 10+ kits total, which is true now and I could believe it's what he meant as he doesn't really like saying things in a straightforward way.

And of course there was the very vague yet still correct rumour about Ultramarines getting more, which also rang true thanks to Titus and friends.

 

So at the very least he doesn't seem to just be making things up. Make of that what you will.

 

I believe the "Cathay 10+ kits" comment was tied to TOW's schedule over the next year, and not to this reveal show specifically. 

 

While I can't find the "10+" quote, I do know that discussion I had with others awhile back was in that assumed framework. (As I put forward that we might see little bundles of a Dragon + ~3/4 units periodically over the course of the year.)

 

One screenshot I have found certainly makes it seem like they were generally talking about long-term TOW plans. (Note their apparent dismissive dislike of Grand Cathay.) So I wouldn't consider there only being four "GC" kits in this release a mark against Boole's Iron Warrior rumours. (And I say that as someone who would prefer IW not to leave Codex: CSM, am not fluffed about Perturabo returning*, but would adore "an abundance of upgrade kits, and the revitalisation of many old comrades".)

 

Spoiler

 

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*When it comes to Perturabo, I like the idea that, y'know, having broken the walls of the Palace, he left Terra. Having humiliated Dorn at the Eternal Fortress (which has ironically become known as The Iron Cage) - for all time - Perturabo was satisfied at last with the "confirmation" of his - for all time - superiority, and retired to the Eye to build fortresses, direct wargames, and hit the links.

 

But as an ultra-petty, paranoid-delusional mega-jerk... I think there's an underlying fear to the character - if he were to continue to challenge himself, he might lose. If, after the Eternal Fortress, Dorn had said "best three out of five", Perturabo would refuse. Because why should he deign to submit to the requests of a proven lesser... but also because the Imperial Fists could make a comeback. (Note: all previous "wins" pre-Siege of Terra null and void, per conditions.)

 

If the narrative is just "now Perturabo, after ten millennia, wants to conquer some realspace" I think that would be boring and unfitting. If he gets roped into some plot to assist Vashtorr to prominence, that'd be bizarre. If he's out to destroy the universe - what does he care about the universe? Even the return of Dorn wouldn't be enough to drag him out of his unassailable position. Dorn didn't "die" until quite awhile afterwards, after all; and a Dorn alive and well with the knowledge that Perturabo beat him - for all time - is pleasing.

 

There are things that would feel okay. Disappointment in his Legion, for example; if the Iron Warriors had carved out a big empire and then lost it (~to a returned Dorn). But I just hope that the writers frame it with more care than they did the return of the Lion.

 

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Edit. Speak of the devil, some update Boole-isms. A mix of things (some of which are better talked about elsewhere) but "iron monstrosity" mention:

 

Edited November 8 by LSM

[DeadFingers]

7 hours ago, LSM said:

Edit. Speak of the devil, some update Boole-isms. A mix of things (some of which are better talked about elsewhere) but "iron monstrosity" mention:

 

Seems it's all rehashes of known rumours. Yarrick, Piper Perabo, Yriel, and Eshin. Although curiously, Yriel being part of the "Maelstrom" bit implies he'll be the one facing Blackheart. That won't get confusing at all. Corsairs Vs. Corsairs.

 

But about the topic at hand, he does say "soon to emerge", which is intriguing. Are GW really gonna pull a double Daemon Primarch drop in a single edition? I know Magnus and Morty were barely a year apart, but they still had the edition wall between them. Could just be Boole waxing poetic as well. Or his definition of "soon" is of the Soon™ kind.

Edited November 8 by DeadFingers

[01RTB01]

On 11/7/2025 at 9:24 AM, Valkyrion said:

 

The single best GW publication to ever exist, IMO. 

 

The single best GW publication to ever exist, IMO. 

 

I concur. Huge tome of brilliance. The fluff, the artwork, 3 army lists in there too. Unprecedented and never been bested. 

 

As an ork connoisseur, the rogue trader books were amazing but 3 tomes. Codex chaos, second ed was epic. 

[Alby the Slayer]

If we will get a glimpse of Perturabo this winter holidays like they did with Mortarion, it would be awesome.

[Jscarlos18]

21 hours ago, LSM said:

Edit. Speak of the devil, some update Boole-isms. A mix of things (some of which are better talked about elsewhere) but "iron monstrosity" mention:

 

These are a bit vague, but combined with Valrak's rumours we could get a good guess on what they are.

 

• Yarrick returning would be cool.
• Perturabo's most recent description in the lore paints him as a super Obliterator so I'm curious what will be his design.
• Huron vs Yriel doubt it'll happen since GW is allergic to conflicts that don't involve the Imperium and the posterboys. Although the mention of Ghyran seems a tad strange.

[irlLordy]

CSM vs Eldar is not that uncommon a matchup, at least in Kill Team. We've had two boxes pairing them up, legionaries vs corsairs and mandrakes vs nemesis claw (the other 2 eldar releases were against Imperial teams, blades of khaine vs scouts and hand of the archon vs exaction squad).

[Nephaston]

1 hour ago, irlLordy said:

CSM vs Eldar is not that uncommon a matchup, at least in Kill Team. We've had two boxes pairing them up, legionaries vs corsairs and mandrakes vs nemesis claw (the other 2 eldar releases were against Imperial teams, blades of khaine vs scouts and hand of the archon vs exaction squad).

Also eldritch omens for main 40k in 2022

[Indy Techwisp]

On 11/8/2025 at 1:59 PM, LSM said:

When it comes to Perturabo, I like the idea that, y'know, having broken the walls of the Palace, he left Terra. Having humiliated Dorn at the Eternal Fortress (which has ironically become known as The Iron Cage) - for all time - Perturabo was satisfied at last with the "confirmation" of his - for all time - superiority, and retired to the Eye to build fortresses, direct wargames, and hit the links.

 

But as an ultra-petty, paranoid-delusional mega-jerk... I think there's an underlying fear to the character - if he were to continue to challenge himself, he might lose. If, after the Eternal Fortress, Dorn had said "best three out of five", Perturabo would refuse. Because why should he deign to submit to the requests of a proven lesser... but also because the Imperial Fists could make a comeback. (Note: all previous "wins" pre-Siege of Terra null and void, per conditions.)

 

If the narrative is just "now Perturabo, after ten millennia, wants to conquer some realspace" I think that would be boring and unfitting. If he gets roped into some plot to assist Vashtorr to prominence, that'd be bizarre. If he's out to destroy the universe - what does he care about the universe? Even the return of Dorn wouldn't be enough to drag him out of his unassailable position. Dorn didn't "die" until quite awhile afterwards, after all; and a Dorn alive and well with the knowledge that Perturabo beat him - for all time - is pleasing.

 

There are things that would feel okay. Disappointment in his Legion, for example; if the Iron Warriors had carved out a big empire and then lost it (~to a returned Dorn). But I just hope that the writers frame it with more care than they did the return of the Lion.

 

If you're looking for a reason for Peter Turbo to return to the main stage and think that further beefing with Dorn isn't a good reason, then may I present the idea that Perturabo is returning to cement his superiority on the Galactic stage or, as happened numerous times in the Heresy, because someone else has tricked him into doing what they want and thinking its his own idea.

 

I could see Vashtorr getting Perty and his Sons to effectively do the Soul Forge's dirty work by pitching it to them as an exchange or deal where the Iron Warriors go out and start conquering and raiding worlds and get the "Lion's Share" of the resources from them (when really they're getting the stuff Vashtorr didn't need anyway because he's claiming the souls of the people they're killing and/or inducting during the process).

 

Or it could be an actual "both sides are above board with it" deal and the Iron Warriors are basically going around doing the Chorf thing of treating Chaos as a useful tool or arms dealer rather than a True object of worship.

[LSM]

3 hours ago, Jscarlos18 said:

Although the mention of Ghyran seems a tad strange.

 

It's part of their schtick.

 

TGA is an Age of Sigmar board, and they started on there posting AoS rumours as a weird "story teller" before unloading a bunch of 40k rumours... while maintaining the airs of being someone telling stories in the Mortal Realms. 

 

(I guess kind of like how in Liber Chaotica: Slaanesh there's a couple pages about Emperor's Children, but it's written from the perspective of a researcher from WHFB's The Empire so he doesn't know what they are. "Their muskets and cannon are unlike any produced by men or dwarfs..." etc.)

 

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11 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

If you're looking for a reason for Peter Turbo to return to the main stage and think that further beefing with Dorn isn't a good reason, then may I present the idea that Perturabo is returning to cement his superiority on the Galactic stage or, as happened numerous times in the Heresy, because someone else has tricked him into doing what they want and thinking its his own idea...

 

 

It's been ten thousand years. I guess "I got bored" or "I got tricked" makes sufficient sense, but it's not exactly thrilling motivation. 

 

I have been pondering it more, and I really do prefer the idea that, like:

• Have it so that Vashtorr has been claiming greater allegiance of many Iron Warrior warbands, effectively turning them worshipful of him.
• Have Vashtorr and his Iron Warrior lackeys come close to pulling off some big thing, but fail in some embarrassing way. (Not Vashtorr's "fault", in his opinion - his tools were not up to the task. Guarantees were made; promises are unfulfilled.)
• Have Perturabo really mad at the Iron Warriors.

 

Then make his return about roaming the galaxy, hunting down every Iron Warrior warband out there, and making them decimate themselves before reincorporating them under his (broad, loose) command. 

 

There will be no more weakness on display.

 

Edited November 9 by LSM

[Indy Techwisp]

16 minutes ago, LSM said:

It's been ten thousand years. I guess "I got bored" or "I got tricked" makes sufficient sense, but it's not exactly thrilling motivation. 

 

I have been pondering it more, and I really do prefer the idea that, like:

• Have it so that Vashtorr has been claiming greater allegiance of many Iron Warrior warbands, effectively turning them worshipful of him.
• Have Vashtorr and his Iron Warrior lackeys come close to pulling off some big thing, but fail in some embarrassing way. (Not Vashtorr's "fault", in his opinion - his tools were not up to the task. Guarantees were made; promises are unfulfilled.)
• Have Perturabo really mad at the Iron Warriors.

 

Then make his return about roaming the galaxy, hunting down every Iron Warrior warband out there, and making them decimate themselves before reincorporating them under his (broad, loose) command. 

 

There will be no more weakness on display.

 

 

I really feel if we get an Iron Warriors Codex then Vashtorr is going to end up moving over to it rather than staying in CSM.

If so, we need a reason for the two to both be present at once (since iirc Vashtorr doesn't demand your Warlord slot and invoke a tie for leadership).

Maybe we find out that Vashtorr's been so desperate to ascend because he's stuck in a debt he and the soulforge can't pay back where the only way out is to ascend and outrank the one he owes?

And then we find out that person he's indebted to is Perturabo who has basically commandeered the Soulforge to fuel his new conquest (or just get a +5 bonus Stronghold Defence on some random planet in the galaxy spanning game of HoI4 Perty's been playing since the Siege...)

[DeadFingers]

Don't forget that as per one of the Death Guard Codices, Perturabo's active once more after the creation of the Cicatrix.

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Rust and Ruin

During the fyredust season on Dysactis, a vast Death Guard force advances through the pyroclastic storm fronts in search of the Temple of Ascension. They are met amidst the crackling maelstrom by an enormous force of Iron Warriors, supported by corrupt god-machines from the Legio Abhorrax. Continent-shattering battle ensues. Hordes of Daemons are summoned from the beyond to join the fight. Beneath the gaze of the Cyclonead Statues, Mortarion and Perturabo themselves engage in a spectacular duel that lasts for seven hours. It is a battle reminiscent of the incredible conflicts of the Horus Heresy, and Perturabo’s sons cause terrible damage to the Death Guard force.

 

Yet the longer the fighting rages, the more the contagions and metaliphage poxes of the Death Guard spread through the Iron Warrior ranks. Ancient heretics sicken and collapse. Malevolent war engines seize with rust and shudder, sparking, to a halt. Machine spirits go mad with revulsion and pain, and as the powers of entropy and decay run rampant, the battle swings in Mortarion’s favour.

 

With his forces in tatters and many of his precious war engines crippled beyond repair, even bitter Perturabo is finally forced to concede defeat. Falling back to pre-prepared defence lines, he detonates a series of explosive trenches amidst the raging storms and disengages in the ensuing mayhem. Badly mauled but triumphant, Mortarion and his Death Guard lay claim to the heathen temple they fought so hard for, and the ancient secrets that lay at its heart.

So if they want to drop him, they can just ignore any details about his return and skip to whatever he's doing right now, much like they've done with Fulgrim.

Edited November 9 by DeadFingers

[DeadFingers]

Bit of a delayed double post, but I've got an update.

 

As per Valrak's latest video, it'd appear his sources are saying that Boole's "iron monstrosity emerging from the Eye of Terror" spiel does NOT refer to Perturabo. Lemme repeat that for emphasis:

 

Valrak's sources claim Perturabo isn't coming. Or even a character at all.

 

Instead, what they do seem to say is coming is an updated Defiler. To which I say it's about time.

Edited Monday at 04:50 PM by DeadFingers

[ZeroWolf]

While I think Perty is coming (in 11th edition that is), I never thought it was actually him in the first place. An updated Defiler though? Yes, a thousand yeses. Now...Just make sure every legion has access to it

[Evil Eye]

A new Defiler is LONG overdue. I just hope it isn't too far removed from the original design. The kit itself might be on the rough side but the actual design is amazing.

[Nephaston]

Might be finally a model for this monstrosity duking it out with the redemptor on one of the previous SM codex covers.

[TheMawr]

31 minutes ago, DeadFingers said:

Bit of a delayed double post, but I've got an update.

 

As per Valrak's latest video, it'd appear his sources are saying that Boole's "iron monstrosity emerging from the Eye of Terror" spiel does NOT refer to Perturabo. Lemme repeat that for emphasis:

 

Valrak's sources claim Perturabo isn't coming. Or even a character at all.

 

Instead, what they do seem to say it's coming is an updated Defiler. To which I say it's about time.

 

Interesting, its a second rumor where Boole is "opposite" to (some of) valrak sources

 

Looking at the video valrak does misunderstand something though, the "iron monstrosity emerging from the eye of terror with its brood" isnt the only iron warrior rumor from Boole, on the first page of this thread you can see the first rumor and "after all our most familliar man is now returning from the eye of terror" is not something that can be a hint to the defiler.

However he also talks about Obliterators and other things to be updated.. wich could have included the Defiler as well in the rumor.

 

So we have Valraks rumor :
-- Upgrade sprue, no iron warrior characters, defiler

vs Boole :
-- Upgrade sprues (plural), Iron warrior characters+Perturabo, Obliterators and other CSM stuff.

vs GW themselves

-- Vaguely hinting at Shontu coming soon.

 

the other is also mentioned in the video, for the leftover kill team box this season*

Valrak :
-- Grey Knights vs Khorne ( and also Exodites )

vs Boole :
-- Eldar vs Chaos or Orks

 

 

* I know people think them calling Shadowhunt the culmination of the story means there is only 3 boxes this season, but, the previous season last box was the aftermath of the story, it could be the same here too. The last box featuring the aftermath of a necron tombworld's destruction.. this actually could fit eldar quite well.

 

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Lately some of valraks sources have been mistaken (swooping hawks in kill team, 11th edition in 2025, Necron kill team is composed of Lychguard and Skorpekh destroyers ) or incomplete ( LoV coming with only the solo character, even the name was correct.. but there where still other kits), and if it is these sources that have informed this new video I could see both rumors to be right in a way in both cases.

 

Its sometimes annoying Valrak doesnt give nicknames to his sources anymore. Though I understand its possibly a risk to their identity if you can add who says what together. ( especially the mistakes could be traps ? because the source that doubled down that swooping hawks where 100% coming through kill team, was afaik, the last rumor from that source wich had every rumor right until that one, afterwards valrak had a new kill team source with slightly lower exact reliability, the new kill team source vaguely knows rules, but not boxsets ( the lychguard and skorpekh destroyers after all where a WD NPO kill team, not the opposing side of deathwatch as the source had said, it also explains the vagueness with the ratlings team including an ogryn, the rules do.. the box does not.)

 

On the other hand, boole's rumors are seemingly partly based on seeing things. ( wich does give credit to his/their*** claim they work or worked for GW, specifically 40k. ) after all the correct rumors so far are mostly descriptions, not exact names, and I could see someone mistaking a centrepiece defiler for a centrepiece machinery daemon primarch. ( though not a spacemarine fan probably, wich boole is.)

 

But its all interesting nonetheless. At this point of time I wouldnt dare to say wich one is more reliable.

 

*** I dont know if its a gag or not, but boole suggested that the account is used by several different people, hence the they. But it could be a "game" like the drunk-posting. 

[TheMawr]

19 minutes ago, Nephaston said:

Might be finally a model for this monstrosity duking it out with the redemptor on one of the previous SM codex covers.

 

(at least ) One of the artists has a lot of artistic license, but then there is (at least) one that spoils upcoming miniatures every now or then and doesnt take a lot of artistic license at all ( who did shadowspear, urban conquest and the vigilus book covers).

Cant tell from the zoom in wich one this is XD. But the color use suggest its the latter ?

But if its th

[DeadFingers]

35 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

the other is also mentioned in the video, for the leftover kill team box this season*

Valrak :
-- Grey Knights vs Khorne ( and also Exodites )

vs Boole :
-- Eldar vs Chaos or Orks

I don't know if these are necessarily mutually exclusive. I don't usually write down any rumoured release dates in my own notes, but as far as I remember most of these, if any at all, were given release dates or even vague windows, just "they're coming". We could not see the Grey Knights Vs. Khorne box until next edition when it's also rumoured the former will be getting a refresh, the Eldar half of Boole's rumour could be Exodites. I suppose he could've said Exodites if that was the case but he didn't seem very sure about this one, hence the "chaos or orks" bit.

 

In any case, when it comes to the relevant topic at hand, yes it seems that Valrak is forgetting or ignoring the "most familiar man" part, but it's his sources that are saying it's not Perturabo or a character at all, so I don't know how much of that is Valrak asking about the "iron monstrosity" in particular or if his sources just said "Perturabo isn't coming" in general. Or maybe his sources were talking about the relatively foreseeable future, meaning that we'll see the Defiler sooner rather than later, and Boole's whole "standalone Iron Warriors Codex" thing is for later down the line?

 

 

Edit: Upon re-reading Boole's posts, there does seem to be a bit of a difference regarding time frames between both posts. At least if the flowery language actually means something and it's not just waxing poetic for fun.

The initial rumour about standalone Iron Warriors with "our most familiar man" says:

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Moreover, in seasons yet to unfold 

While the one about the "iron monstrosity" says:

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soon to emerge with its brood!

Emphasis mine, and I know this is grasping a tad, but the wording does seem to indicate two different points in time, one soon, and another farther into the future. The second post that had the "iron monstrosity" bit also spoke about Armageddon, Yarrick, the Maelstrom and Yriel, and if rumours are to be trusted those are all pre-11th drops.

 

So these could indeed be two distinct rumours, one about the Iron Warriors, and one about the Defiler. Rather tinfoily I realize, but Boole's theatrics and the active possibility that they might actually be a number of individuals using a single account certainly do not help discern what's actually being claimed.

Edited Monday at 05:59 PM by DeadFingers

[TheMawr]

2 minutes ago, DeadFingers said:

I don't know if these are necessarily mutually exclusive. I don't usually write down any rumoured release dates in my own notes, but as far as I remember most of these, if any at all, were given release dates or even vague windows, just "they're coming". We could not see the Grey Knights Vs. Khorne box until next edition when it's also rumoured the former will be getting a refresh, the Eldar half of Boole's rumour could be Exodites. I suppose he could've said Exodites if that was the case but he didn't seem very sure about this one, hence the "chaos or orks" bit.

 

In any case, when it comes to the relevant topic at hand, yes it seems that Valrak is forgetting or ignoring the "most familiar man" part, but it's his sources that are saying it's not Perturabo or a character at all, so I don't know how much of that is Valrak asking about the "iron monstrosity" in particular or if his sources just said "Perturabo isn't coming" in general. Or maybe his sources were talking about the relatively foreseeable future, meaning that we'll see the Defiler sooner rather than later, and Boole's whole "standalone Iron Warriors Codex" thing is for later down the line?

 

Oh I know, I dont think any of the rumors are necessarily mutually exclusive currently ( it was my point actually.. but apparently failed to explain it well XD), hence why I used the brackets on opposites :) When I discuss rumors or speculate I always threat them like schrodingers cat. XD

 

Boole even reacted to someone saying exodites. though the reaction is vague it seemed affirmative. But he is much less direct with 40k rumors than AoS ones. 

I (half jokingly ) speculated with how precise he is otherwise, that the chaos or orks is not an unknown element, but actually a hint... if GW ever wanted to have some fun and return chaos orks to the setting.. what better place is there than kill team ? and what chaos god is the likeliest candidate ? Khorne.

 

Then we have grey knights.. something probably too powerful for kill team, but ideal as some sort of NPO thing. And apart from daemons/chaos side, ynnari is a thing grey knights specifically hunt recently ( 9th edition codex, I havent read wether its still in the 10th one.) And one of the likelier candidate for kill team exodites is actually through Ynnari (or corsairs again or as ranger allies, but that doesnt help with the wild theory) currently.

 

So an Ynnari exodites vs Khorne Orks kill team with Grey knights as a twist on the NPO side would make all the rumors correct. ( even Valraks random probably trolling visitor a few weeks ago who said there will be eldar zombies.. not haemonculi creations.. soon ) however, this isnt even speculation.. just how easy it is to connect dots to create something quite logical, that will nevertheless not happen  ( I have another one on the eldar/exodite side that includes both the swooping hawks rumor and the jump pack corsairs rumor, though with that one now solidifying in a proper 40k rumor I dropped it from my many possibilities.)

 

/slightly offtopic on the important matter at hand, wich is a new defiler.

 

While necessary, quite unique.. I think the only vehicle equivalents getting a plastic update that where already plastic in "recent" years has been the Necron monolith and before that the Dark eldar Raider ? the Sororitas vehicles where not plastic before, and I think all other 40k vehicles for the past 2 decades have been new vehicles not updates ?

[Marshal Loss]

A new Defiler would be amazing & long overdue, it's the daemon engine for me. Hopefully EC regain access to it and aren't the only CSM subfaction that can't use the new model...

Edited Monday at 06:11 PM by Marshal Loss

[Mogger351]

34 minutes ago, DeadFingers said:

I don't know if these are necessarily mutually exclusive. I don't usually write down any rumoured release dates in my own notes, but as far as I remember most of these, if any at all, were given release dates or even vague windows, just "they're coming". We could not see the Grey Knights Vs. Khorne box until next edition when it's also rumoured the former will be getting a refresh, the Eldar half of Boole's rumour could be Exodites. I suppose he could've said Exodites if that was the case but he didn't seem very sure about this one, hence the "chaos or orks" bit.

 

In any case, when it comes to the relevant topic at hand, yes it seems that Valrak is forgetting or ignoring the "most familiar man" part, but it's his sources that are saying it's not Perturabo or a character at all, so I don't know how much of that is Valrak asking about the "iron monstrosity" in particular or if his sources just said "Perturabo isn't coming" in general. Or maybe his sources were talking about the relatively foreseeable future, meaning that we'll see the Defiler sooner rather than later, and Boole's whole "standalone Iron Warriors Codex" thing is for later down the line?

 

 

Edit: Upon re-reading Boole's posts, there does seem to be a bit of a difference regarding time frames between both posts. At least if the flowery language actually means something and it's not just waxing poetic for fun.

The initial rumour about standalone Iron Warriors with "our most familiar man" says:

While the one about the "iron monstrosity" says:

Emphasis mine, and I know this is grasping a tad, but the wording does seem to indicate two different points in time, one soon, and another farther into the future. The second post that had the "iron monstrosity" bit also spoke about Armageddon, Yarrick, the Maelstrom and Yriel, and if rumours are to be trusted those are all pre-11th drops.

 

So these could indeed be two distinct rumours, one about the Iron Warriors, and one about the Defiler. Rather tinfoily I realize, but Boole's theatrics and the active possibility that they might actually be a number of individuals using a single account certainly do not help discern what's actually being claimed.

Good breakdown, I would add that seasons to unfold could be winter which is 2 weeks away at this point. Likewise spring is suitably close by GW standards.

5 minutes ago, Marshal Loss said:

A new Defiler would be amazing & long overdue, it's the daemon engine for me. Hopefully EC regain access to it and aren't the only CSM subfaction that can't use the new model...

I would wager the old datasheet for all factions would vanish, so it could go the other way and the others lose it as well.

[LSM]

12 hours ago, Marshal Loss said:

A new Defiler would be amazing & long overdue, it's the daemon engine for me. Hopefully EC regain access to it and aren't the only CSM subfaction that can't use the new model...

 

I was mulling over trying to do a Defiler along the lines of the below piece of fanart before it was revealed that EC had lost them.

 

Spoiler

 

Of course, the same artist (Eddy Gonz) has also done some amazing Iron Warriors stuff, including their take on a very Defiler-esque Perturabo:

 

Edited Tuesday at 06:27 AM by LSM

[Orange Knight]

17 hours ago, Marshal Loss said:

A new Defiler would be amazing & long overdue, it's the daemon engine for me. Hopefully EC regain access to it and aren't the only CSM subfaction that can't use the new model...

 

That would be pretty cool. In general I wish both Chaos and the Loyalist Marines had access to a bigger Mech/Robot style unit. Something between a Dreadnought and a Knight.

I didn't realise until long after the fact that the Defiler was retired to Legends. I hadn't seen one on the tabletop for years before that, and the model was never quite right in my eyes. This is a unit that could look a lot better with an updated, moden kit.