11th edition SW info

[TiguriusX]

27 minutes ago, Jorin Helm-splitter said:

@TiguriusX - do you think that list would work without the vindicators (really firstborn tanks in general)? I sold my old firstborn models, and there is a rumor that most of the firstborn tanks are going to legends when the space marine codex releases. On the one hand it's a rumor, on the other hand if its right, I'd only have a couple of months with them. That said I'm up to five games now, and I can't recommend grey hunters, bloodclaws, or wolf scouts to anyone. So, I need to make some changes or take break until the next data slate which may or may not fix them. I'm also hoping disruption gets a buff because the missions are fun it just doesn't score enough.   

 

 

 

absolutely not

 

the vindicators having all the buffs is what makes up the offense in this list

 

I really hope they change toe in LOS so these types of shooting lists disappear 

 

It is simply too easy for fast shooting units with Assault to erase whatever they want.

 

My DG opponent was literally hiding g Morty way in the back so I couldn't zoom around and get an angle at him...and I dont blame him.

 

As soon as my sustain hits vindicator got LOS I activated full wound rerolls and erased him

 

As soon as LOS gets nerfed back to where it should be ill go back to foot melee in impulsors.  But right now that is just asking to die

 

Speaking of melee....great wolf + librarius

Njal + headtakers

7+2+6 advance and charge (15" guaranteed with biomancy + njal...18 if you start the turn in a transport)

 

another brick ragnar

and then terminators with librarian and celerity...all the advance and charge needed

 

thats my next project

 

 

 

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

That's what I figured, but I was hoping I missed something. I want to try priority assets, but I think trying to get saga of the bold to work may kill me lol. Gladius is an option but I'm probably better off taking a break for a bit and seeing what the first balance update does. My game today was rough and I think what I want to be good, and what's good are just a bit too far apart to make work. Good luck with conclave great wolf list, do you plan on running reconnaissance or take and hold? I played against Reconnaissance SoB and their mission looked at look more fun (I was running take & hold in that matchup), but they have a lot of tools for it. 

[TiguriusX]

30 minutes ago, Jorin Helm-splitter said:

That's what I figured, but I was hoping I missed something. I want to try priority assets, but I think trying to get saga of the bold to work may kill me lol. Gladius is an option but I'm probably better off taking a break for a bit and seeing what the first balance update does. My game today was rough and I think what I want to be good, and what's good are just a bit too far apart to make work. Good luck with conclave great wolf list, do you plan on running reconnaissance or take and hold? I played against Reconnaissance SoB and their mission looked at look more fun (I was running take & hold in that matchup), but they have a lot of tools for it. 

 

As crazy as it sounds I'm probably gonna start the testing with Recon...its a kill and annoy someone army which fits the list I have in mind.

I haven't found ANYTHING that realistically lets us take and hold (i.e., survive without dying)

I even tested bricks of 10WG with +1 T...the game is too lethal...I think take/hold is a freaking trap

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

I don't think it's crazy, I'm more curious to see how it goes. I've tried take & hold, Purge, and Disruption and I haven't really been happy with any of them. Disruption is the one I've liked the best but so far it's been too much work for the points. 

[jpwyrm]

On 7/11/2026 at 2:37 PM, TiguriusX said:

 

Yes I have 2 wins against salamander + librarius purge

 

I have the advantage in the tank battle.

I put my Lancer and sustain vindicator and hammerstrike in reserve.   If any LRR moves into the open it is dead as soon as my turn comes up.  I put extra AP on my lancer so he punches through 2+ armor*.  He also has 2 full RRs so the heavy laser is very reliable.  If I need more shots the vindicator uses the reroll wound strat and mops up.  If things go well I can usually pop 2 LRR.  Don't forget I also have 2 other vindicators on the table to start...so he can't blitz at me without fear either.  As a reminder...my detachment lets me reroll tank damage.  So the D6 vindicators are not as prone to swinging and missing

 

I usually win the infantry fights as well b/c they have to dedicate big attacks to my terminators b/c torrent flamers are not consistent...I'm fine trading MSU terminators for that.  My vehicles instantly wipe out whatever killed my terminators.

If they try to run out and out OC me then I overwatch with firestrikes and remove models to lower their OC.  My terminators are OC2 so I don't have to kill a ton of models to ruin their plans.

 

Their infantry ranged weapons also can't be used to chip damage my vehicles...if they fire at me I spend 1 CP and return fire and wipe them out

Also...if they walk in my LOS I 100% overwatch with firestrike servos...putting them dead center touching terrain for max LOS is my favorite position

 

They need the dev wound strat to take down my vehicles so it is limiting them to 1 per turn (and I have seen them whiff and leave a vindicator alive...which returns fire)

 

The melee attacks getting are my biggest concern.  But they have to cross a ton of ground to reach me and I have a reactive move stratagem for my tanks.  It is only D6" but it does deter them.

 

Finally...my terminators are no slouches in melee either...I can counter charge their melee and have 1 squad in DS that can rapid ingress and catch them sleeping

 

 

Here is a screenshot from a random salamander game I had...that red line was confirming LOS to Vulkan and his retinue who got absolutely erased by a vindicator and firestrike...reminder I can auto advance 6" and still fire if my vehicles are in my enhancement aura...the only thing I lose is rerolling damage

 

My lancer is missing because it was killed by those fulgrim detachment speeders

 

This list didn't have LRRs but it had similar tricks

 

 

The Lancer getting AP5 is something I wish I had in my list! I'll try to fit it in. MSU Terminators with OC2 are definitely a good tech choice for this list - my fast JPIs were no match for Redeemers or Infernus marines shooting. 

 

As for Vindicator, reroll damage on them is insane! Watch out though, only Tank Aces get access to auto advance 6" or reroll dmg. Still solid output, but be careful not to get carried away with reroll ;)

 

[TiguriusX]

15 minutes ago, jpwyrm said:

 

The Lancer getting AP5 is something I wish I had in my list! I'll try to fit it in. MSU Terminators with OC2 are definitely a good tech choice for this list - my fast JPIs were no match for Redeemers or Infernus marines shooting. 

 

As for Vindicator, reroll damage on them is insane! Watch out though, only Tank Aces get access to auto advance 6" or reroll dmg. Still solid output, but be careful not to get carried away with reroll ;)

 

 

I learned that after playing the hammerstrike wrong in my first few games 

 

The hammerstrike and Bjorn are not tank aces (sad bc hammerstrike has a ton of d6 damage)

 

Lancer + 3xvindicators + firestrike servo turrets are all tank aces

[jpwyrm]

4 hours ago, TiguriusX said:

 

I learned that after playing the hammerstrike wrong in my first few games 

 

The hammerstrike and Bjorn are not tank aces (sad bc hammerstrike has a ton of d6 damage)

 

Lancer + 3xvindicators + firestrike servo turrets are all tank aces

Oooooh! The limit is for 3 Tank Aces to be characters!!!

 

Yeah, now I definitely need to play the list a couple of times again! Thanks for clearing that up.

[TiguriusX]

Finally lost against a Tau Recon list

 

3 bricks of Coldstar + Sunforge was too much for the Iron Wolves to overcome

I erased 2/3 bricks but ran out of juice before the end of the game

Played cat and mouse trying to avoid his threat range but he pushed me out of middle and I lost the ability to score on turn 5

 

 

 

First time playing priority assets v recon
 

In the future I need to remember to push...the mission design required me to go after his home objective and was very unlike all the other matchups I've had so far

[Karhedron]

Dang! Multiple units of Sunforge suits are a definite hard-counter to this list. Their meltas hit harder into all the armoured targets and their unit-wide 4++ halves the effectiveness of your heavy shooting. 

[Apokalypsi]

Had a win against UM over the weekend! I ran 5-man squads of Grey Hunters and they definitely did heavy lifting for points. Used Disruption and had the Locate and Deny primary mission.

 

My list

Spoiler

Veterans of the Bastion(2,000 Points)

Space Marines
Space Wolves
Bastion Task Force and Veterans of the Fang (3 Detachment Points)
Take and Hold
Strike Force (2,000 Points)

ATTACHED UNITS

Attached unit 1

Wolf Priest (90 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Absolvor bolt pistol
• 1x Crozius arcanum
• Enhancements: Hero of the Chapter

Wolf Guard Headtakers (170 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard ()
• 6x Wolf Guard Headtaker
◦ 6x Heavy bolt pistol
◦ 6x Paired master‑crafted power weapons

Attached unit 2

Ragnar Blackmane (100 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Bolt Pistol
• 1x Frostfang

Wolf Guard Headtakers (170 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard ()
• 6x Wolf Guard Headtaker
◦ 6x Heavy bolt pistol
◦ 6x Master-crafted power weapon
◦ 6x Storm Shield

CHARACTERS

Bjorn the Fell-Handed (160 Points)
• Warlord
• 1x Heavy flamer
• 1x Helfrost cannon
• 1x Trueclaw

Murderfang (150 Points)
• 1x Heavy flamer
• 1x Murderclaws
• 1x Storm bolter

BATTLELINE

Grey Hunters (165 Points)
• 1x Grey Hunter Pack Leader
◦ 1x Astartes chainsword
◦ 1x Bolt carbine
◦ 1x Bolt pistol
• 9x Grey Hunter
◦ 9x Astartes chainsword
◦ 9x Bolt carbine
◦ 9x Bolt pistol

Grey Hunters (165 Points)
• 1x Grey Hunter Pack Leader
◦ 1x Astartes chainsword
◦ 1x Bolt carbine
◦ 1x Bolt pistol
• 9x Grey Hunter
◦ 9x Astartes chainsword
◦ 9x Bolt carbine
◦ 9x Bolt pistol

Grey Hunters (165 Points)
• 1x Grey Hunter Pack Leader
◦ 1x Astartes chainsword
◦ 1x Bolt carbine
◦ 1x Bolt pistol
• 9x Grey Hunter
◦ 9x Astartes chainsword
◦ 9x Bolt carbine
◦ 9x Bolt pistol

OTHER DATASHEETS

Gladiator Lancer (160 Points)
• 1x Armoured hull
• 2x Fragstorm grenade launcher
• 1x Icarus rocket pod
• 1x Ironhail heavy stubber
• 1x Lancer laser destroyer

Inceptor Squad (240 Points)
• 1x Inceptor Sergeant
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x Plasma exterminators
• 5x Inceptor
◦ 5x Close combat weapon
◦ 5x Plasma exterminators

Scout Squad (65 Points)
• 1x Scout Sergeant
◦ 1x Astartes chainsword
◦ 1x Bolt pistol
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
• 4x Scout
◦ 4x Bolt pistol
◦ 4x Close combat weapon
◦ 3x Combat knife
◦ 1x Heavy bolter

Wulfen with Storm Shields (200 Points)
• 10x Wulfen
◦ 10x Death Totem
◦ 10x Thunder hammer

 

 

Opponent's list. I didn't save it, so I'm going off memory

Spoiler

Space Marines
Ultramarines
Blades of Ultramar (3 Detachment Points)
Priority Assets
Strike Force (2,000 Points)

ATTACHED UNITS

Attached unit 1

Marneus Calgar (140 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)

Victrix Honour Guard (230 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard ()
• 6x Victrix Honour Guard
◦ 1x Banner of Macragge

 

Attached unit 2

Uriel Ventris (95 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)

Victrix Honour Guard (240 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard ()
• 6x Victrix Honour Guard

 

Attached unit 3

Captain Titus (90 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)

 

Wardens of Ultramar (110 Points)
• Attached as: Support (Character)

Sternguard Veteran Squad (190 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard ()
• 10x Sternguard Veterans

CHARACTERS

Lieutenant with Combi Weapon (85)

BATTLELINE

Intercessor Squad (80 Points)
• 1x Intercessor Sergeant
◦ 1x Bolt pistol
◦ 1x Bolt rifle
◦ 1x Power fist
• 4x Intercessor
◦ 4x Bolt pistol
◦ 4x Bolt rifle
◦ 4x Close combat weapon

OTHER DATASHEETS

Inceptor Squad (120 Points)
• 1x Inceptor Sergeant
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x Plasma exterminators
• 2x Inceptor
◦ 2x Close combat weapon
◦ 2x Plasma exterminators

Land Speeder (95 Points)
• 1x Close-combat weapon
• 1x Multi-melta
• 1x Onslaught gatling cannon
• 1x Stormfury missile launcher

Scout Squad (65 Points)
• 1x Scout Sergeant
◦ 1x Boltgun
◦ 1x Bolt pistol
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
• 4x Scout
◦ 4x Bolt pistol
◦ 4x Close combat weapon
◦ 3x Boltgun
◦ 1x Missile Launcher

Devastator Squad (120 Points)
• Sergeant
◦ 4x Devastator Marine
◦ 4x Lascannon

 

I kept 2x5 Grey Hunters and the Inceptors in reserves. Opponent left Inceptors and Uriel's squad in reserves. I got first turn. He conceded at the end of the 4th turn. I was down to 2x5 Grey Hunters and a single GH while he had Marneus/Cato and most of Titus's squad left. At that point, he knew he wasn't going to be able to come back because I was 30pts ahead of him. Afterwards, he said my 4 heavy hitters plus inceptors made him ignore all the grey hunters basically. In his mind, it was either focus on the power units and hope to keep up in points or take out the GH and probably get wiped off the board.

 

I'm loving the list. I think I'll drop the Headtakers with Ragnar and attach him to Blood Claws so he can take advantage of all the strats. That'll also let me upgrade the scouts to Wolf scouts.

[Brother Hellion]

In all honesty, I'm gonna miss my razor backs, those things have helped me hold the line with the amount of fire power they used to dish out when they could still use twin linked assault cannons. Four to five of em would mop up ork swarm mobs with str 6 12 shots. 

Replacing them is gonna be expensive, like getting impulsers even worth it?

Hope they don't legend my Thunder wolves. Cause if they do, well...*glances at cages of wild wolves* Britain will get a surprise outbreak in wolf attacks

 

 

[Karhedron]

5 hours ago, Brother Hellion said:

Replacing them is gonna be expensive, like getting impulsers even worth it?

 

Yeah, my Razorbacks were the backbone of my mechanised Wolves from 5th through to 9th editions and they will be sorely missed. TLAC were perfect all-rounder weapons for an IFV.

 

I have one Impulsor and that is honestly enough for me. I use it for staging melee units like Headtakers rather than supporting the infantry once they disembark. It is just a springboard really. I would look at turning your Razorbacks back into Rhinos as the current rumour is Tacticus units will be able to embark on Rhinos. Since Grey Hunters are (weirdly) fixed at 10, a squad in a Rhino can scoot and shoot with a decent amount of firepower, particularly if their bolt carbines go to S5 AP-1 as rumoured.

 

Sternguard and Hellblasters would also benefit from cheap metal bawkses to ride in.

[TiguriusX]

Terminator datasheet just dropped

 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/paxsnmde/first-look-space-marines-datasheets/

 

Terminators are going to be bonkers on release.

 

AP2 minimum whatever weapon you use

 

If we still have beastslayer for lethal hits our terminator combos become top tier for offense and defense (T7 wolf Guard terminators are a perfect break point against anti tank S12 type weapons)

 

 

[Karhedron]

Sadly I am pretty certain all our Detachments are going away, even the 1DP ones launched at the start of 11th edition. Orks lost everything and started with a clean slate. Hopefully some of the best elements will survive into our PDF and eventual codex supplement but at the moment, best to count on nothing.

 

On the plus side, even baseline Termies are looking pretty gnarly now.

[Apokalypsi]

They just said today that Grey Hunters will have the split into 2x5 innately now. Looks like they lose the AI-like ability though. We're keeping Champions of Fenris for sure, but nothing about the others.

[Karhedron]

Saga of the Beastslayer has down to one DP. I am willing to bet it is now just flat Lethal Hits vs Vehicles/Monsters with no way to unlock army-wide Lethals. Saga of the Greatwolf also survives with "minor changes". This is strange as it has 3 once-per game effects, just like Doctrines. This means that we may be able to dial-in exactly the combination of bonuses we want on a turn-by-turn basis which could potentially be very strong.

[TiguriusX]

More SW news today

 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/xciydqwa/space-marines-detachments-space-wolves-black-templars-and-deathwatch/

 

 

 

GH have combat squad ability on datasheet

 

GH get S+1 and AP+1 in melee on objectives

 

S6 AP2 melee on battleline with OC3? 

 

Welcome back to the competitive meta GHs

[Madic]

3 hours ago, Karhedron said:

Saga of the Beastslayer has down to one DP. I am willing to bet it is now just flat Lethal Hits vs Vehicles/Monsters with no way to unlock army-wide Lethals. Saga of the Greatwolf also survives with "minor changes". This is strange as it has 3 once-per game effects, just like Doctrines. This means that we may be able to dial-in exactly the combination of bonuses we want on a turn-by-turn basis which could potentially be very strong.

 

 

I expect the hunting packs to be tied to the combat doctrines like the death watch mission tactics previewed.

[TiguriusX]

SM codex just leaked

 

It is broken as hell...

 

 

Good news is confirmation that rhinos can hold 12 infantry as rumored...so GHs have a ride again!

[Karhedron]

5 minutes ago, TiguriusX said:

Good news is confirmation that rhinos can hold 12 infantry as rumored...so GHs have a ride again!

 

I played Mech Wolves back in 5th and it looks they they are back on again! Time to get painting those 20 Grey Hunters! 

 

In other news, Rhinos get to use the Smoke stratagem for free every turn, regardless of who else has used it so I can definitely see a role for them. They are especially good in the Gauntlet Taskforce detachment as they can light up a target with their storm bolters and any squad that Disembarked that turn gets Sustained Hits 1 when attacking that target (both shooting AND melee by the looks of it).

9 minutes ago, TiguriusX said:

SM codex just leaked

 

It is broken as hell...

 

I dunno, the Codex has lost almost all sources of rerolls (apart from Twin-Linked), most notably Oath. These improved profiles will probably generate a similar number of casualties in a lot of cases.

[TiguriusX]

9 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

 

I dunno, the Codex has lost almost all sources of rerolls (apart from Twin-Linked), most notably Oath. These improved profiles will probably generate a similar number of casualties in a lot of cases.

 

Firestrike servo turrets can all overwatch on 4s with no restriction to 1 per phase

 

You now have 4 overwatch activations available total (combine with Redeemer etc.)

 

that needs to be a day 1 faq limit to 1

[Karhedron]

I don't think that the Overwatch from multiple Firestrikes will be game breaking. In fact it will probably be the only reason to take them (unless they are dirt-cheap).

[Captain Idaho]

17 hours ago, TiguriusX said:

SM codex just leaked

 

It is broken as hell...

 

 

Good news is confirmation that rhinos can hold 12 infantry as rumored...so GHs have a ride again!

 

Oh, where would someone be able to find such a nefarious thing that I totally don't support?

 

So what is broken about it?

[Apokalypsi]

29 minutes ago, Captain Idaho said:

 

Oh, where would someone be able to find such a nefarious thing that I totally don't support?

 

So what is broken about it?

I found it on WarhammerCompetitive subreddit.

[Knightsword]

Yeah Google and Reddit are your friend here. Was the first result when I totally didn't search for it yesterday.

 

I'm glad that GH can now combat squad, just a shame you have to still buy the full 10 man squad first but at least we're not tied to a detachment rule for splitting now, i'll take that.

 

I'm seeing some nasty Ultramarine combos getting cooked up on my socials. I can see why people are saying it's broken.