What characters would you like to see as models?

[Adeptekon]

Botho from Throne of Light and an updated Helbrecht and Grimaldus.

[calgar101]

Charcharadon HQ characters from their novel series. 

[Bloodwraith]

My Wish List:

1. Eidolon in 40K

2. ALL of 1st Claw and Decimus from ADB's books, incluing septimus and Octavia

3. Tyberos the Red Wake and the characters listed in the series especially Tangata Manu and Te Kahurangi (The Pale Nomad)

4. A new Gabriel seth (I mean weve had 2 Calgars :cuss:, Give us Seth)

 

Any of these take my money

Edited August 5 by Bloodwraith

[Lathe Biosas]

The Space Marine Primarch: Rubinek.

 

If you don't remember him, check out Into the Maelstrom (Anthology) edited by Andy Jones and Marc Gascoigne, in the Iron Hearts short story "Hell in a Bottle" by Simon Jowett.

 

Edited Saturday at 12:28 AM by Lathe Biosas

[Adeptekon]

Chaplain Mortian https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Mortian

[Lathe Biosas]

I want this guy to be a real model.

[Tawnis]

On 8/28/2026 at 6:28 PM, Lathe Biosas said:

The Space Marine Primarch: Rubinek.

 

If you don't remember him, check out Into the Maelstrom (Anthology) edited by Andy Jones and Marc Gascoigne, in the Iron Hearts short story "Hell in a Bottle" by Simon Jowett.

 

 

Ah yes, the good old writer didn't understand what a Primarch was story.  I mean, I guess him getting a model as a Chapter Master would finally put that to bed. 

[Lathe Biosas]

58 minutes ago, Tawnis said:

 

Ah yes, the good old writer didn't understand what a Primarch was story.  I mean, I guess him getting a model as a Chapter Master would finally put that to bed. 

 

 

Or they could be released as a Lost Legion. Imagine the YouTube Rage.

[Adeptekon]

2 hours ago, Lathe Biosas said:

I want this guy to be a real model.

So this is what they mean when they say "40k is a parody of itself"

[Griefbringer]

On 8/29/2026 at 3:28 AM, Lathe Biosas said:

The Space Marine Primarch: Rubinek.

 

If you don't remember him, check out Into the Maelstrom (Anthology) edited by Andy Jones and Marc Gascoigne, in the Iron Hearts short story "Hell in a Bottle" by Simon Jowett.

 

Seems that his dislike of the Mimesis Engine was amongst the reasons why it was assigned to the Iron Hearts, suggesting that Rubinek himself was not in charge of the Iron Hearts.

 

That story also mentions Chapter Medic Hippocratus, who clearly is a member of the Iron Hearts.

[Iron Lord]

On 8/29/2026 at 1:28 AM, Lathe Biosas said:

The Space Marine Primarch: Rubinek.

 

If you don't remember him, check out Into the Maelstrom (Anthology) edited by Andy Jones and Marc Gascoigne, in the Iron Hearts short story "Hell in a Bottle" by Simon Jowett.

 

 

 

It should be noted that in the original short story in Inferno Magazine Issue 8, he was Lord Commander Rubinek.

 

Issue 8 was published September 1998, Into The Maelstrom was published September 1999.

 

Possibly the editor on the book said "Lord Commander isn't a very Marine-ish title - Primarch is" and nobody pointed out at the time that the primarchs were long gone by the 40K era.

 

 

That said, both versions of the quote do imply he was not the Chapter Master of the Iron Hearts Chapter himself:

 

 

 

 

Ancient technology, old before the Emperor first ascended the throne, had been unearthed and used to create an addition to the training of Space Marine initiates: worlds on which initiates could fight, die and fight again, learning from their mistakes without paying the usual price for a failed strategy – their own death and the deaths of their fellow Marines.

Lexmechanics, Artisans and Logises had spent decades constructing the Mimesis Engine. Not only Ilium, but simulations of a thousand unreal worlds were created, amalgams of every planet on which Space Marines had fought and died. Doubts were raised about the sanctity of such an enterprise, the purity of any technology that set out to re-make the universe. Many were reminded of the foul desire of Chaos-cultists and the dark gods they worshipped to do exactly the same thing.

In the end, ecumenical concerns had little to do with the side-lining of the Mimesis Engine. No Space Marine worth his salt would waste more than a sneer on it. ‘A Space Marine prays for only one chance – the chance to die serving the Emperor!’ opined Primarch Rubinek, on hearing of the project’s completion. In the face of this opposition, the project’s supporters proposed that the Mimesis Engine be assigned to the Iron Hearts, to be used in the earliest stages of their initiates’ training. Lexmechanics would monitor the combat performance of these initiates and thus evaluate the Engine’s usefulness.

During the decades that followed, initiates had come and gone, climbing into the rod-and-wire-strung battlesuits that enabled them to interact with the worlds generated by the Engine. Each exercise was preceded by ritual invocations of the Emperor’s protection from any possible taint of Chaos that might arise from contact with the Engine and would end with a Service of Absolution in the Iron Hearts’ Chapel of Martyrs. Over time, interest in its use dwindled, fewer initiates were sent to do battle with the generated simulacra of daemons, genestealers, orks and eldar and the maintenance team was reduced until only Tydaeus and a servitor named Barek remained.

 

 

And in the original version, the 3rd paragraph is:

 

 

 

 

 

In the end, ecumenical concerns had little to do with the side-lining of the Mimesis Engine. No Space Marine worth his salt would waste more than a sneer on it. ‘A Space Marine prays for only one chance – the chance to die serving the Emperor!’ opined Lord Commander Rubinek, on hearing of the project’s completion. In the face of this opposition, the project’s supporters proposed that the Mimesis Engine be assigned to the Iron Hearts, to be used in the earliest stages of their Initiates’ training. Lexmechanics would monitor the combat performance of these initiates and thus evaluate the Engine’s usefulness.

 

Edited yesterday at 01:33 PM by Iron Lord

[Felix Antipodes]

I first read this story in Inferno magazine (not the anthology version), so was surprised when Rubinek was being quoted as a Primarch/Chapter Master.  Now I see where this misconception arose.  For what it’s worth, I always assumed he was an Imperial Guard officer who knew nothing of how Astartes actually thought or their beliefs.

Edited 14 hours ago by Felix Antipodes

[Griefbringer]

17 hours ago, Iron Lord said:

It should be noted that in the original short story in Inferno Magazine Issue 8, he was Lord Commander Rubinek.

 

Issue 8 was published September 1998, Into The Maelstrom was published September 1999.

 

Possibly the editor on the book said "Lord Commander isn't a very Marine-ish title - Primarch is" and nobody pointed out at the time that the primarchs were long gone by the 40K era.

 

Lord Commanfer Eidolon of the Emperor's Children probably does not find that amusing.

 

As for the Primarch issue, they were not only gone, but also their names had been well established well before 1999, except for the two mystery cases, and easily available (e.g. in the 1995 Codex Ultramarines, page 7). As for the two editors of the anthology, Andy Jones was a long time GW-employee, though he was mostly known for his work on the fantasy side (Man'o'War and the original Warhammer Quest); as for Marc Gascoigne I do not know any details.

 

[Iron Lord]

The point being that Simon Jowett himself, is not to blame for the Primarch Rubinek thing.

 

Back in 1998 and earlier, what did authors tend to mean when they used "Lord Commander"?

 

I think, using Codex Imperialis from 2e, they might have been operating on the "Segmentum Commander" paradigm - so each Segmentum had its own Lord Commander -  "Lord Commander Solar" was head of all ground-operating military forces in Segmentum Solar, "Lord Commander Tempestus" head of all military forces in Segmentum Tempestus, and so on.

 

 

"Lord Commander Militant" was head of all forces of the Imperial Guard in all Segmentums, and I think each Segmentum might have had its counterparts of the Lord Commanders, the Lord High Admirals, in the Navy as well - so you'd have "Lord High Admiral Solar, "Lord High Admiral Tempestus" and so on, all reporting to the Lord High Admiral of the Navy. Those might not have been outlined in Codex Imperialis but in other works.

 

 

I know that in the Eye of Terror novel from 1999, the fleet commander of the Segmentum was referred to as the Lord Militant Commander (relevant Segmentum), rather than the Lord High Admiral. Perhaps the Lord High Admiral naming convention was not yet invented.

 

 

With both the Navy and the Guard, having its own "Lord Commander (Segmentum)" or "Lord Militant Commander"

(not to be confused with the Lord Commander Militant).

 

 

“A Black Crusade is coming!”

“Impossible! There hasn’t been one for a millennium and a half.”

“There has never been one such as this is going to be.”

The private office of the Lord Militant Commander of the Imperial fleet’s Segmentum Obscurus was a place given to calm and quiet. The wood panels lining the walls were carved with scenes from the fleet’s glorious past — battles fought, worlds subdued, planets destroyed, relief ships got through in apparently impossible conditions. Carved there, too, were the bleak figures of commanders of the past, in full dress uniform, breasts covered with medallions, staring out from the grained wood as if grimly reminding the present incumbent of the gravity of his duty.

Seated with the commander around a table of mahogany inlaid with platinum, were all his admirals in high-collared dress jackets.

 

...

 

The librarian’s report was still being exhaustively studied and evaluated, but it was the overall commander of Segmentum Obscurus, Lord Militant Commander Drang, who would have to make a decision.

 

“Gentlemen,” Commander Drang said in a soft voice, “it is not hard to guess the enemy’s intention. This is not the first time he has come out of the Eye in a crusade to conquer surrounding star systems. Such crusades have always been contained and defeated in the past. But what has now been revealed is on a different scale. The enemy is building a battle-fleet large enough to overwhelm Cadia, guardian of the Cadian Gate, from where he will be able to invade all the worlds fringing the Eye to the galactic south. These worlds will give him a base from which to launch a major war in Segmentum Obscurus and beyond.

“He will lose that war, of course. Indeed I do not believe he will break out of the segmentum. But it is our duty to see that such a war does not take place. Gentlemen, we must define a strategy.”

 

...

 

“Gothic-class battleships, supported in the main by Styx and Hades-class heavy cruisers, will make up the bulk of the task-force,” he continued. “All those in Battlefleet Obscurus, except those that must be held in reserve, will be committed to the attack. And after I have consulted with my good friend, Lord Militant Commander Invisticone, I am sure we can confidently expect substantial elements of Battlefleet Pacificus to join us also.” Drang gave a mirthless smile. “Invisticone will not want to leave all the glory to me.”

 

 

 

Note that since it was so early a book, it seems to have a mix of Space Fleet concepts (Gothic battleships) with Battlefleet Gothic concepts (Hades heavy cruisers) - ships which in the Battlefleet Gothic gamebook are portrayed as old Imperial ships more likely to be in a Chaos fleet than an Imperial one now.

 

 

 

Looking at the rules in Space Fleet - it would appear that Lord Commander (which may also be the same job as "Master of the Segmentum") commands all forces, and Warfleet Commander commands all space forces. And that Warfleet Commanders report to Lord Commanders. Not sure if there's supposed to be a Guard Commander who, with the Warfleet Commander, reports to the Lord Commander, or not. Lord Commander is to be found in a Segmentum Fortess in space, where orders are directed to fleets.

 

 

 

Drang and Invistocone's dialogue and conduct with officers in the book, paints them both as very much Navy and not "Guard" - they came up through the Navy's ranks, and the whole thing is very much a Navy operation. It's hinted that the Guard don't report to them:

 

"This is a Navy matter - do the Imperial Guard commanders ask us to do their work?"

 

They may be mere Warfleet Commanders rather than the Master of each Segmentum.

 

 

 

 

Whereas Macharius and Leonatus are very much Guard - they operate on the ground in key operations in their campaigns, personally. Not clear if each is actually the superior officer of both the Guard and the Navy or not - the "Master of the Segmentum" so to speak - but it's possible.

 

 

 

It's also possible that when a character becomes Master of the Segmentum - they may be being promoted from a lesser rank, and "keeping their old hat" - with, say, Macharius, starting out as a Guard General, reaching the role of "master of the Segmentum" and "keeping his Guard hat on" - issuing orders to both Guard and Navy, but tending to get more personally involved with Guard operations - even going personally into a ground battle.

 

 

With Drang and Invisticone maybe being the reverse - they can issue orders to Guard as Masters of the Segmentums, but they are wearing only their Warfleet Commander hats in this case, and keeping the Guard out of the whole thing.

 

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Iron Lord