Iago Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 I have been following your thread, nice woork, keep em coming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starks333 Posted March 1, 2007 Author Share Posted March 1, 2007 thanks, theres a lot to come, i just reorganised my master list... TOTAL:5500pts Models: 131 Vehicles:17 3 HQ command squads two ride land raiders, 3 dreadnoughts, 3 five man terminator squads, 4 full tacticals in rhinos, 1 full scout squad, 3 land speeders, 8 bikes and two attack bikes, 10 assault marines, 2 predators, 1 vindicator, 1 whirlwind, 1 dev squad in razorback i only need the razor, an attack bike buying wise, thats if i can con the 4 termies and rhino off my friend who doesnt need them :D not the best setup for a game that big, but its what i have so......ya......i have a lot of work ahead of me.... +++ARMY SHOT+++ http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y218/Starks3333/Crimson%20Fists/100_2961.jpg Starks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starks333 Posted March 4, 2007 Author Share Posted March 4, 2007 ++++some pics of the libby(pics are kinda rough looking, I cropped in too close so the pictures make it rough) http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y218/Starks3333/Crimson%20Fists/100_2962.jpg http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y218/Starks3333/Crimson%20Fists/100_2963.jpg http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y218/Starks3333/Crimson%20Fists/100_2964.jpg i might add some more colour to the mud, there is some orangey brown in there but it didnt show up, ill take a look back later, im working on the scouts right now converted the sarge with a Space wolf rune priest's power axe...i still need to GS...i also shaved him bald, the mould line that was in his hair was so thick i was forced to do something...so i shaved him :) i debating leaving the skull on the axe...its elongated like a wolf, but is still a skull...hmmm probably best to remove it...i decided to convert him as i had an extra sarge with cut off weapon laying around and the original sarge needed to be stripped before being painted so i decided id just use this one http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y218/Starks3333/Crimson%20Fists/100_2966.jpg I also base coated almost all the foot troops' bases(64ish) with a nice dark brown, which helps emphasize the dark desperate feel, its scorched brown mixed with regal blue so it has a very cold feel to it Starks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hash Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Grand Master of Librarians looks great uptill now - how do you get such smooth colours on white basecoat?? My white GW spray applies a grainy texture over the minis :/ Recently bought a cheaper spray to test whether it will also apply grainy texture... Looking great so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starks333 Posted March 4, 2007 Author Share Posted March 4, 2007 Grand Master of Librarians looks great uptill now - how do you get such smooth colours on white basecoat?? My white GW spray applies a grainy texture over the minis :/ Recently bought a cheaper spray to test whether it will also apply grainy texture... Looking great so far My spray isnt usually very bumpy, could be that its applied lightly so it doesnt have the chance to build up a texture? or could be the distance you spray at? im not sure thanks for the PM, thats exactly what i was looking for im debating the colour of his sword, it was originally going to be red, but i think a lighter colour like a brighter teal or light blueish green(not as dark as teal) might work nicely Starks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hash Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Maybe try to do a simialr sword like on my Lucius :) from liche purple through warlock purple, up to sunburst yellow... I think this would work good ;) As for the spray = I'm spraying from about 30-40 cms, using short bursts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morfesto Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 I work with Starks333 and when I prime I give thin powdery coats cause if you get a smooth white thats too thick it will be slick and the paint won't stick. For an idea of how thick it is the metal will still show through in some areas. If you look closely it will look a little ruff but the paint sticks really well. I do short bursts like you do also. Has your can been in the cold? What temp do you prime at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hash Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Maybe European cans vary from American :) The cans are always at room temperature... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starks333 Posted March 5, 2007 Author Share Posted March 5, 2007 ok it seems my photo quality has gone down apparently...which is annoying but heres a shot of what the scouts will look like...hes not fully done because i need to change sheets on my wet palette, the dry air is eating it alive, and driving me insane http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y218/Starks3333/Crimson%20Fists/100_2968.jpg ill have to try some different angles of light to get the black to show...or i might go back and highlight brighter, i havent decided yet, i can probably do with a bit more brightness in it, as right now its more subtle than would probably be best the face was fun to do though- scorched brown/graveyard earth chaos black mix for base elf flesh bronzed flesh mix for brightest after that i added in VGC scar red(so basicly red gore) to the highlight to get the redish tone...i added in liche purple for the dark tone i mixed a paler red for the lips and used codex grey for the unshaven beard dealie im not sure if im going to weather the scouts, im thinking new recruits i will also be freehanding the fist logo(minus that dumb circle) to the shoulder pad...actually i might not for the scouts, im unsure anyways enjoy the crappyness of the photo! :) Starks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AinuLainour Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Fan-tastic! ;) Thanks for the recipes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starks333 Posted March 6, 2007 Author Share Posted March 6, 2007 Heres a finished scout, i didnt want anything flashy for the details, i kept it black and brown with red shotgun shells NOTE the shadow on his base is painted on..i also picked out a few rocks with grey to add a bit of character to a plain base also note not all the colours are showing perfectly, mostly the front shot, the brown is brighter on his pants and all black is highlighted http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y218/Starks3333/Crimson%20Fists/100_2974.jpg http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y218/Starks3333/Crimson%20Fists/100_2973.jpg http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y218/Starks3333/Crimson%20Fists/100_2975.jpg Starks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starks333 Posted March 7, 2007 Author Share Posted March 7, 2007 Thought people might be interested in what I do to get the blue and how simple the blending is The third blue is more desaturated than shows in the pic, but i basicly use 3 highlights, and one shade, the shade doesnt need to be used for the bright spots(the flats facing the light source) PS its regal blue...add bleached bone...and then for third highlight add bone and chaos black to desaturate...add white to that for the brightest highlights http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y218/Starks3333/Crimson%20Fists/100_2979.jpg This is after a couple glazes, if the joints are rough i will mix a tone between the colours and glaze with that...blending took about...5 minutes? http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y218/Starks3333/Crimson%20Fists/100_2980.jpg +++the colour seemed to be slightly different than my scout, so i went over it more.. i needed more of the third colour in the shade(its the desaturated colour) http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y218/Starks3333/Crimson%20Fists/100_2981.jpg so basicly place your highlights as if you were doing NMM(light source) except not as much darkness and maybe not as much brightness(depends how bright you want your highlights to be at the end), and then glaze, it dulls the highlights and gives a more subtle feel while still having depth...the more glazes and such the smoother it would be the reason for subtlety is because light is hitting the majority of the area evenly, the areas that arent quite so perpendicular to the light source will have greater contrast(like his leg greaves will) :D Starks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 Awesome... simply awesome... see this is why you teach me :D ~Nik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starks333 Posted March 12, 2007 Author Share Posted March 12, 2007 ok well it seems my skin colour had something else in the mix, or i did it differently as its not the same...im not aiming for the same skin colours anyways, i just wanna know how to do it when i go to do that tone again! BLAST... anyways, heres some skin....as you can see my baldy sarge is now primed and being painted his face looks the best out of the three, the worst one is the one that has his eyes done..i think ill have to fix his more http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y218/Starks3333/Crimson%20Fists/100_2986.jpg http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y218/Starks3333/Crimson%20Fists/100_2988.jpg http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y218/Starks3333/Crimson%20Fists/100_2989.jpg ****here we have the mostly painted loot counter, some FW ammo crates on the base, i felt was a good representation of the fact they are supposed to be desperate, undersupplied and under manned http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y218/Starks3333/Crimson%20Fists/100_2985.jpg not as much work as i had anticipated but some decent work and an update none the less i want to try some other skin tones as well, get some practice in, make them look more unique as well...i had a real pale skin on the heavy bolter guy but i dont like it right now with his arm unfinished, makes it looks bad hahaha Starks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starks333 Posted March 17, 2007 Author Share Posted March 17, 2007 double post, but oh well its an update not the bets pics, but shows progression first the scouts, need one more highlight on armour before blending http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y218/Starks3333/Crimson%20Fists/100_2992.jpg then the marines, ive got 4 models with highlights on them you can see the difference between the two layers of highlights and the base colour!(note my highlights are supposed to tint the colour not only highlight) http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y218/Starks3333/Crimson%20Fists/100_2993.jpg progressions been a bit slow as ive been working on getting other models done( just cleaned and primed for friends/monies) as well as doing some drawing/planning Starks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starks333 Posted March 19, 2007 Author Share Posted March 19, 2007 man if someone doesnt post soon its going to look bad, i have 4 posts in a row now... heres an update, the libby together, theres more contrast than in the pic, but i still think i want more, im going to play with the blue more i think, or remix some colours and fix part of the sword, maybe play with the books and his robe a bit his backpack has endured many errors, i had it stripped to reprime white..then i accidently got my dad to do it black(he does it out in the shop for me :angry:)....so then i had it done white, but it was too thick...when restripping the glue gave way to the brushing and so i threw the backpack out, ill ocnvert another one up to hold the iron halo its mostly his armour thats bugging me, his thigh bugs me a bit too, but anyways still need to do metals on the chains http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y218/Starks3333/Crimson%20Fists/100_3004.jpg did a bit on my chaplain, once i bring in more colour and the black actually looks black ill give pics i also did a bunch more highlighting on the marines, but not worthy of an update there ALSO saw flyboys while cleaning mould lines on some other stuff(fantasy) and i can say, i enjoyed the movie :lol: Starks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undertaker Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 I like the scout sergeants head.Where is it from? Is it part of the old model? Oh,and looking good.Keep it up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother 'Ussell Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 Your blues are done nicely and the fleshwork on the scouts is great, I also enjoy painting skin and trying to get subtle variations in my armies, it's a nice break after doing one colour or another over and over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wokkers Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 starks - that blue is just amazing. i am not going to single out 1 mini. it looks amazing on all of them. kudos to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marovingean Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 Hmmm, they look alright, just kinda dirty, like theres no definition between the highlights (like on the trousers, for example). I also think the flesh looks kinda distorted between highlights, like it's not fully done. And the highlights on the purple on the librarian are too stark, as if you highlighted with white and then washed with purple to tone it down; it still shows. Maybe try mixing with a pastel kinda of colour like Bleached Bone, or Kommando Khaki to get a gradual highlight, and so it looks smoother... The Blue looks good, but I think that theres too little contrast, so maybe try and work on that, (again with some gradual highlights, but not too subtle, because edge highlighting looks awful when it's gradual; no contrast) Otherwise, alright.... :D M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starks333 Posted March 20, 2007 Author Share Posted March 20, 2007 Hmmm, they look alright, just kinda dirty, like theres no definition between the highlights (like on the trousers, for example). I also think the flesh looks kinda distorted between highlights, like it's not fully done. And the highlights on the purple on the librarian are too stark, as if you highlighted with white and then washed with purple to tone it down; it still shows. Maybe try mixing with a pastel kinda of colour like Bleached Bone, or Kommando Khaki to get a gradual highlight, and so it looks smoother...The Blue looks good, but I think that theres too little contrast, so maybe try and work on that, (again with some gradual highlights, but not too subtle, because edge highlighting looks awful when it's gradual; no contrast) Otherwise, alright.... :) M dirty...uh...im not sure what you mean....and definition between highlights? no idea what you mean, as to the libby, not sure i see the problem even if i did only glaze over a white mixed highlight for the purple, the problem is not its too bright, its that i dont have enough brightness in some places yet(maybe) and darkness in some spots, but i needed to add the sword and the backpack to see how they affect the shadows the example of the pants, theres only one model who has pants that are done, and those pictures i mention the colours arent showing up overly well in the picture and again, i have no idea what you mean by distorted between highlights, i dont understand your comments regarding the skin, keep in mind the eyes arent done, and i have fixed the one scout whos face looks weird(the one with eyes done but isnt finished otherwise) not to mention these photos are about 300% zoom and im not sure what you mean on the blue, i do know it needs more contrast, i mentioned this in my explanation, i probably wont do any edge highlighting because i dont really want to, i can for the armour because light does affect it that way, but i probably wont i am not dismissing your comments, i am simply explaining what i guess you misread or missed reading, mostly what you say has been explained already by me I like the scout sergeants head.Where is it from? Is it part of the old model?Oh,and looking good.Keep it up! its the normal scout sarge except i filed off his hair because the mould line was ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugski Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 I can't believe I didn't discover this thread sooner. Some excellent stuff and another reason for me to switch to a wet palette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umlaut31 Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 Hmmm, they look alright, just kinda dirty, like theres no definition between the highlights (like on the trousers, for example). I also think the flesh looks kinda distorted between highlights, like it's not fully done. And the highlights on the purple on the librarian are too stark, as if you highlighted with white and then washed with purple to tone it down; it still shows. Maybe try mixing with a pastel kinda of colour like Bleached Bone, or Kommando Khaki to get a gradual highlight, and so it looks smoother...The Blue looks good, but I think that theres too little contrast, so maybe try and work on that, (again with some gradual highlights, but not too subtle, because edge highlighting looks awful when it's gradual; no contrast) Otherwise, alright.... :) M I actually agree with Marovingean, I think they are good, but lack definition and finesse? Maybe I'm just being overly critical, I don't know. They just aren't my thing, bt the techniques you use are good. Try to add contrast more and also mix with a pastel colour like an off white. Also why have you done so much battle damage? I tend to think that Space Marines armour is like a part of their body, they honour it, cherish it and if you have read the Horus Heresy books or any other Space Marine Novels, you will know what I mean. *COUGH, Dan Abnett, half the book about armour cleaning, COUGH* Anyways, I think that the damage actually ruins the model a little, unless the fluff in your army puts them in a big war (which it does), but I don't notice it to as much of an extent on the others. One last thing, who paints shadows on a base!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starks333 Posted March 20, 2007 Author Share Posted March 20, 2007 I actually agree with Marovingean, I think they are good, but lack definition and finesse? Maybe I'm just being overly critical, I don't know. They just aren't my thing, bt the techniques you use are good. Try to add contrast more and also mix with a pastel colour like an off white. Also why have you done so much battle damage? I tend to think that Space Marines armour is like a part of their body, they honour it, cherish it and if you have read the Horus Heresy books or any other Space Marine Novels, you will know what I mean. *COUGH, Dan Abnett, half the book about armour cleaning, COUGH* Anyways, I think that the damage actually ruins the model a little, unless the fluff in your army puts them in a big war (which it does), but I don't notice it to as much of an extent on the others. One last thing, who paints shadows on a base!?!? they are plain, there will be almost no freehand or fancy crap because i dont see fists as an elaborately detailed army, so just plain old paint em as they come they are dirty/damaged because they are undermanned, fighting, desperate, cold, battered etc, they dont have the resources or time to be cleaning and maintaining all the time, hence why the objective markers are ammo crates the libby i have already said does lack contrast so i will fix that..the rest have enough contrast to be seen from 2-3 feet, i dont like extreme highlighting, it looks awful in my opinion, so you will never see it on anything i do, but i do still have enough contrast that its clearly noticeable...keep in mind i have a light source, im not highlighting the model as if light is coming at all angles, and so when i take poor photos where light reflects off the parts the highlights are done you cant see it overly well(which again, i have mentioned) i dont add white to my colours unless im brightening while desaturating the colour further the scouts dont have battle damage because they are new recruits, and you havent seen any other models, battle damage and weathering is the final step so when i get more models done the damage will be more prominent ]One last thing, who paints shadows on a base!?!? i dont even know if i should respond to you now....what kind of comment is this?? Starks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubbynz Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 I really like your scouts, I think that they are so much better than the new plastic ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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