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the squad sizes seem somewhat restricting, but they have a nearly identical statline to the primaris crusaders BUT cheaper and with more weapon options. what do you guys think?

When you make a list do you pick one or the other? Is it for Transports, or some other reason? Do you mix and match? If so which one makes up more of your list? I've been playing around with different lists and themes, and keep running into a couple of issues. Not having Scouts as a TROOPS unit is a pretty big hit now that we want Infiltrate, and Primaris have two choices (that get ObSec and Sticky Capping) for that. You almost have to take some incursors/infiltrators instead Aggressors and BGV synergize better than Terminators/Centurions for a Retinue. Aggressors/BGV have: decent shooting from Boltstorm, Frag launchers, and the Heavy Bolt Pistols, they can ginsu power armor with the power swords they can whomp the big targets with the power fist part of their boltstorms And they have Storm Shields to make Look Out Sir last even longer. Terminator/Cent or Terminator/Terminator usually have to give up at least one Terminator/Cent gives up CORE in a Retinue AND either the Ginsu or the Storm Shield but double up on the Whomp. SB/PF and THSS give up the Ginsu, while doubling up on the whomp. THSS and 2LC Terminators give up the shooting. The reduced/Free Upgrades for Tactical and Assault Marines made them look fairly good though. I think Assault Marines are a sleeper unit - 10 Marines, Jump Packs, 2 Eviscerators, 3 Plasma Pistols, a Thunder hammer and a Combat shield for less than 5 Inceptors feels like a steal of a deal.