Brother Nihm Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 As we're slowly chugging our way towards the third month, of the new year (2008), it's time to pick up the pace and work on the Primer once more. Here are some the things that I'd like to see within this unholy tome. (if you have additional ideas for more material, post them!) BACKGROUND INFO: Defeating army X/Y - advice on how to beat e.g. Eldar, Dark Eldar, Orks, Necrons etc. What works, what doesn't. Suggestions for playing the Legions using the latest Codex - adapting your army list to reflect the (new?) fluff. WD Chaos index (http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?autocom=ineo&showarticle=69) - an overview of all White Dwarf articles containing material related to Chaos in wh40k. Renegade colour scheme checklist: Angels of Ecstasy *Apostles of Minthras Bleak Brotherhood Brotherhood of Darkness *Children of Purgatos Claws of Lorek Company of Misery *Deathmongers Deathshadows Disciples of Destruction *Dragon Warriors *Extinction Angels Hakanor's Reavers Knights of Blood Lords of Decay Night Stalkers Oracles of Change Punishers *Red Corsairs *Skulltakers Skyrar's Dark Wolves *Sons of Malice Sons of Vengeance *Soul Drinkers *Steel Brethren *Swords of Khargoth *The Cleaved The Flawless Host *The Purge *The Pyre The Reborn *The Sanctified Violators *Warriors of Mayhem *= done and added to the guide. If you want to help, play around with the BnC SM Painter and create the schemes of those not in the Handbook. PAINTING tutorials: Painting horns Painting BL Painting NL Painting WB Painting IW Painting the Cleaved If you want to help with any of these areas, have ideas, suggestions, etc. please don't hesitate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/118611-the-chaos-lords-handbook/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellChyld Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 sounds like solid steps to a better sub-forum. How can I help? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/118611-the-chaos-lords-handbook/#findComment-1366633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminator Tomatron Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 i would be honoured to add some of my nurgle/death guard painting/modeling knowledge Aurus(SP?) i think he ends his posts with the name laurance(again SP?) seemsto very clued up on his death guard/nurgle tactics, he may be interested Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/118611-the-chaos-lords-handbook/#findComment-1366660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 I like all the ideas. I think the painting guide should incorporate the legions and some of the most popular renegades like the Red Corsairs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/118611-the-chaos-lords-handbook/#findComment-1366678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 I'd like to help with a tactica, but I'm afraid I just haven't gotten enough games in with the new list yet. Probably the earliest I'd feel comfortable with that is the end of October / start of November. Until then I can offer a brief analysis of the troop types available based on my general experience with the game, but it won't be backed up by in-game experience or fleshed out with proper strategic advice. The tactica, once it came, would be from the perspective of a Black Legion player, so would also fit with the 'how to run an old legion under the new codex' bit, although for Black Legion that's not terribly necessary. The new codex fits them better then it does chaos renegades. Other then that, I could work on a painting guide for Black Legion, as I'm trying to work out a less time-intensive process for Abby's boys then the one I have been using (I realized the other day that I have about 1,000 points painted, and about 6,000 unpainted). I can also help with the 'welcome to chaos' bits. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/118611-the-chaos-lords-handbook/#findComment-1366752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terros Bloodbane Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 The pre heresy and post heresy color thing sounds cool, so count me in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/118611-the-chaos-lords-handbook/#findComment-1366784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillin Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 All those ideas sound good. I wpuld be glad to help with the past and present color sceme of the BL and with the painting and modeling guide guide for the BL. I have painted @3500 pts worth of BL and do get complaments on them ( my later stuff that is :D ). It does take alittle experience to make a black fig interesting. The only problem is that I don't have the tech knowledge to send pic's into the forum (you know to show the steps in progress and the finished product). I hopefully could get help with that part. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/118611-the-chaos-lords-handbook/#findComment-1366785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkApostle Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 You wanna know something chillin? I'm pretty sure there's a very good guide in both the Librarium and the PCA area. Gimme a min and I'll look it up for ya. Also, on a side note, I could always try to wip up a Word Bearer with stage by stage pics for usage Nihm. <_< EDIT: Dang, can't find the post with the How-to-post-a-pic tutorial. :D Found these links though, http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=104019 http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...showarticle=126 http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...showarticle=125 Maybe they can help somewhat at least. TDA Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/118611-the-chaos-lords-handbook/#findComment-1366803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund Himself Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 While we're on the matter of the Librarium, here's two new articles by none other than Brother Nihm, on (who could have guessed.. :teehee:) Night Lords. 1. Painting Lightning 2. De-bunnifying Bexerker heads for regular troops Enjoy! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/118611-the-chaos-lords-handbook/#findComment-1367609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreachon Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 I'll do as much as I can regarding the Iron warriors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/118611-the-chaos-lords-handbook/#findComment-1368110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-Diablo Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 If you need anything Black Legion-esqe painting or modelling wise give me a shout. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/118611-the-chaos-lords-handbook/#findComment-1368261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted September 21, 2007 Author Share Posted September 21, 2007 Thanks for the feedback everyone, I will get back to this one after Games Day UK. Until then! :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/118611-the-chaos-lords-handbook/#findComment-1369587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximillian Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Count me definitely in. I am happy to do anything about Iron Warriors. Fluff, collecting, modelling, painting, etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/118611-the-chaos-lords-handbook/#findComment-1369682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aarhus Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 I'm flattered that someone remembered my tactica! ;) *nods to TT* I'll see what I can do regarding making a new Nurglesque tactica, and I may be motivated (read: insane) enough to do a full tactica on the codex, with 6 parts (each mark/icon, and one for combining forces of the gods). I'm just waiting on my (first, juicy) pay cheque to grab my copy of the army box and get my grubby little fingers on the codex! Until then, I'll cheer from the sidelines! *dons beer-helmet and waves a penant with an eight-pointed star* rah! Cheers, Lawrence. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/118611-the-chaos-lords-handbook/#findComment-1370439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaper31 Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 I agree that the more famous renegades like the Red Corsairs would be cool to include, and would be happy and willing(no whips and lashes for me) to work up a tutorial regarding the painting and modeling side of the corsairs. It would have to be done the week after next though as I am going away on a camp these holidays. But if your ok with that nihm I will get on it straight away when I am back as I have a few marines in the works. It will be good to have all of the chaos guides and stuff right at your fingertips here on the BnC without having to search through endless pages of threads!!!! Reaper31 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/118611-the-chaos-lords-handbook/#findComment-1370633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted September 25, 2007 Author Share Posted September 25, 2007 *things have been set in motion, dormant daemon-forgeworld factoria have been awakened from slumber, stay tuned* :o Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/118611-the-chaos-lords-handbook/#findComment-1373377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
laxlover_bill369 Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 Yes please hurry I need help, can't decide what army Black Legion or Red Corsiars and I look to you about them :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/118611-the-chaos-lords-handbook/#findComment-1374119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted September 26, 2007 Author Share Posted September 26, 2007 Yes please hurry I need help, can't decide what army Black Legion or Red Corsiars and I look to you about them :devil:Go with Black Legion, no, no wait! go with the Red Corsairs! .. no wait.. ! ;) ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/118611-the-chaos-lords-handbook/#findComment-1374390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steev Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 I would be more than happy to help in any way that I can. My leanings tend to World Eaters and Word Bearers... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/118611-the-chaos-lords-handbook/#findComment-1374923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted September 27, 2007 Author Share Posted September 27, 2007 I have a question with regards to the layout. Do you want: 1. a separate section for each aspect, i.e. why collect chaos, painting chaos (with all the tutorial links underneath), background information etc. 2. A section for each legion (with a N/A where applicable for for many of the new renegade factions as little info exist for these outside their paint scheme) And then tutorials etc. underneath each legion, recycling some. For example: painting black legion might have a tutorial on how to paint gold. Painting Nightlords might contain a link to the same tutorial. 3. Other ideas? (hopefully better ones as I'm a noob at layout work :rolleyes:) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/118611-the-chaos-lords-handbook/#findComment-1375507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steev Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 I would combine the two. Have an overall section on Chaos in general, and then more specific sections for the parts that are specific. So, to take your list of things in the OP and put them into an outline... General Chaos information -A 'welcome to the new Chaos' thread, detailing the most recent changes so that new and returning players can get up to date with ease. -A post containing all official colour schemes, both post and pre-heresy (this one is currently stickied in the Undivided forum and is a work in progress) -Tactica Chaos, the old and (now outdated) Tactica: Undivided is currently collecting dust in the Librarium, and is ready for a renewal -> link. -A Battle report repository. Legion Information -A Painting guide for each legion. This one will probably be the most time consuming to pull off. -Legion specific modelling and painting advice, to be tied in with the above. -A simple link to a tutorial on how to create your own DYI chapter. -Information, alternatives and suggestions on how to field the old Legions under the new rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/118611-the-chaos-lords-handbook/#findComment-1376339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted September 28, 2007 Author Share Posted September 28, 2007 How's this for starters? [b; background-image:url(http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/hq2.gif); background-repeat: no-repeat; background-position: 8px 2px; padding: 12px 8px 12px 8px; border: 1px solid #DDD; margin-left: 0 auto; text-align: left; color: #fff; text-indent:50px; font-size:130%; width:50%;">The Chaos Lord's Primer [/b] http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/hq2.gif); background-repeat: no-repeat; background-position: 8px 2px; padding: 12px 8px 12px 8px; border: 1px solid #DDD; margin-left: 0 auto; text-align: left; color: #fff; text-indent:50px; font-size:130%; width:50%;">The Legions Pre-Heresy Colour schemes Post-Heresy Colour schemes Background information How to field Legions from Codex V3.5 in Codex V4. Chaos Renegades Pre-Heresy Colour schemes Post-Heresy Colour schemes Background information How to create your own (DYI) warbands Tactica Chaotica Painting and Modelling Painting Modelling Sculpting (I feel that it needs it's own section) Battle Report Repository Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/118611-the-chaos-lords-handbook/#findComment-1376490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted October 1, 2007 Author Share Posted October 1, 2007 And so it's time for the great unveiling, ;) Please go: here to see the current Primer. Also, please use this thread as discussion for the Chaos Lord's Primer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/118611-the-chaos-lords-handbook/#findComment-1379191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 The Steel Brethren scheme you have listed in your thread Nihm is incorrect it should be this Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/118611-the-chaos-lords-handbook/#findComment-1379252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted October 1, 2007 Author Share Posted October 1, 2007 10 spawn cakes for you my friend. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/118611-the-chaos-lords-handbook/#findComment-1379261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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