Maeklos Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 As a weird idea, a coupla cheap sorcerers with gift of chaos, they each have a one in three chance of spawning him and it doesn't count for his immune to ID rule (although i dont recall whether it can only be used in CC or not, even if it is, a pair of cheap princes with it might do it). For some reason, this made me think of that part in Willow when they're all outside the Witch's castle and she's like, "Pigs! You're all pigs!" and they all turn into pigs. Heh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/127734-how-to-kill-abaddon/page/2/#findComment-1470948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Engelhardt Posted January 17, 2008 Author Share Posted January 17, 2008 It's still possible to teleport Abaddon down on the table together with a Terminator retinue ? If so, now that would be a uber-unit :) Oh, and as for the C'tan thing, i saw Belial slapping a Nightbringer, just supported by another Terminator with TH, and even they together are weaker than Abaddon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/127734-how-to-kill-abaddon/page/2/#findComment-1470952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeklos Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 It's still possible to teleport Abaddon down on the table together with a Terminator retinue ? If so, now that would be a uber-unit :) Even if you can't, lie to your opponent and do it anyway. We're Chaos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/127734-how-to-kill-abaddon/page/2/#findComment-1470958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maladon Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Ahriman could have a more of a chance of dropping Abaddon, putting him in a squad of T-sons. Two powers plus his force weapon, makes abaddon one dead character! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/127734-how-to-kill-abaddon/page/2/#findComment-1470973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Engelhardt Posted January 17, 2008 Author Share Posted January 17, 2008 Well, you can't use a force weapon AND a psychic power, that's the rules, nay ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/127734-how-to-kill-abaddon/page/2/#findComment-1470995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cale Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Ahriman can. His special rules specifically state that one of his three powers a turn may be using his Force Weapon to gib someone. So, He could use Warp Time and his Force Weapon. Of course, it won't do him any good. Even if he's in a squad of T-Sons, he's an independant character. Abbadon will pick him out and kill him before he even gets to swing. Remember that Abbadon is Initiative 6, hits on threes, has a bajillion attacks, and enough strength to Instant Death Arhriman with only one unsaved wound. Ahriman really has no chance at all against Abbadon in combat, even though he can use both warp-time and his force weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/127734-how-to-kill-abaddon/page/2/#findComment-1471010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Engelhardt Posted January 17, 2008 Author Share Posted January 17, 2008 Ah, ok, I only own the 'dex some days, I didn't have the time to look through everything carefully ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/127734-how-to-kill-abaddon/page/2/#findComment-1471013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tfcdogbert Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Turning Abbadon into a spawn would be hilarious, but remember that he's toughness five, not four, so the Gift of Chaos only has a 1/6 chance of spawning him (and that's not counting the 1/12 chance of the sorcerer/prince failing its psychic test). Ah yes i forgot that MoN... still :lol: for sheer comedy value you cant beat that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/127734-how-to-kill-abaddon/page/2/#findComment-1471062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAryan Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Ahriman could cast gifts of chaos three times, giving him a 50/50 shot. Also if you do the math on Mephiston (I know I mentioned him before, but I actually did the math this time) and Abaddon should both kill each other in the first round of combat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/127734-how-to-kill-abaddon/page/2/#findComment-1471083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cale Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 I don't really know what Mephiston's stats are. You may well be right. Certainly, no librarian is a terrible pick. They're all in the top class of character hunters. Abbadon is very tough, though--tough enough that even the most impressive character hunters only have, what, even odds with Mephiston? That's tough. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/127734-how-to-kill-abaddon/page/2/#findComment-1471115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAryan Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Mephiston is S5 T5 I6 with four base attacks, receives a d3 attacks on the charge. So if Mephiston gets the charge thats 6-8 attacks at strength five with a force weapon that goes at the same time as Abaddon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/127734-how-to-kill-abaddon/page/2/#findComment-1471274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cale Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Yeah, that's pretty good. If he gets seven swings, he has a 57.3% chance of gibbing Abbadon. That's definitely respectable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/127734-how-to-kill-abaddon/page/2/#findComment-1471345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawca Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Im quite surprised no one has mentioned a Grey knight Grand master These guys imo are the best at chr killing I know only I5 but with soome item i forget the name it lowers chaos I by 1 so far we are striking at same I, with true grit they have 5 attacks at stg 6, Abaddon is relying on a 4+ inv or our Grandmaster will use force through his weapon. in all fairness i think abaddon will kill him in turn 1 also with ID but he may take down the warmaster with him, What about a brood lord? I8 5 attacks i think, rending power weapon at stg 5 with good rolls maybe, and a fex up to 11 attacks at stg 10, going last but who cares with that backing you, altho hitting on 5's i think Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/127734-how-to-kill-abaddon/page/2/#findComment-1471563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excretos Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Even if you can't, lie to your opponent and do it anyway. We're Chaos. Lol, genius. This is why I play Chaos! ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/127734-how-to-kill-abaddon/page/2/#findComment-1471593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renik Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 i point you to an earlier thread from blood angels section in where one of guys run mephiston against abaddon click here Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/127734-how-to-kill-abaddon/page/2/#findComment-1471597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artangel Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Harley troupe will do it all the time I have lost Abaddon a couple of times to a troupe of 10-20 Harleys with kiss 2 attacks + 1 charge +1 2nd CCW =4 attacks times 20 = 80 attacks average 13 rends then the normal attacks that hit. I was shocked when the Killer clowns from outer space took Abaddon and his Terminator bodygaurd down in one attack round ;) . Untill rend on H2H weapons gets a well deserved nerf Abaddon, vehicles (even Baneblades) and also Titans are just a bunch of rends away from the scrapheap because clearly a strength 3 Eldar is clearly capable of ripping arms of Titans because he has a spike on his glove ;) . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/127734-how-to-kill-abaddon/page/2/#findComment-1471599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maladon Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Harley troupe will do it all the time I have lost Abaddon a couple of times to a troupe of 10-20 Harleys with kiss 2 attacks + 1 charge +1 2nd CCW =4 attacks times 20 = 80 attacks average 13 rends then the normal attacks that hit. I was shocked when the Killer clowns from outer space took Abaddon and his Terminator bodygaurd down in one attack round :huh: . Untill rend on H2H weapons gets a well deserved nerf Abaddon, vehicles (even Baneblades) and also Titans are just a bunch of rends away from the scrapheap because clearly a strength 3 Eldar is clearly capable of ripping arms of Titans because he has a spike on his glove :P . The only way a harlie troupe can do it, is with the help of a farseer casting doom on abaddon and him not saving it. I seen a generic lord take down a harlie troupe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/127734-how-to-kill-abaddon/page/2/#findComment-1471630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NemFX Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 How to kill, or at least stop Abaddon: Recreate the intro of Jason X but with multiple sedative drips, and no tired guards. Inflict some kind of insanity on him where he physically can't function. Bury him inside a giant cobalt tomb. (cobalt is very resistant to Chaos warp energy.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/127734-how-to-kill-abaddon/page/2/#findComment-1472399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redbaron997 Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 Bury him inside a giant cobalt tomb. (cobalt is very resistant to Chaos warp energy.) Its true, look at Cobalt under the Periodic Table, sure as sure it says, "High resistance to energies of the Warp" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/127734-how-to-kill-abaddon/page/2/#findComment-1472421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Humongous Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 Its interesting to note that one of the 5th edition rumours is that Force Weapons will just cause "Instant Death". As in, the sort that Abadon (and deamon princes, and most tyranids) can ignore. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/127734-how-to-kill-abaddon/page/2/#findComment-1472431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkApostle Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 Turning Abbadon into a spawn would be hilarious, but remember that he's toughness five, not four, so the Gift of Chaos only has a 1/6 chance of spawning him (and that's not counting the 1/12 chance of the sorcerer/prince failing its psychic test). In fact I've read about someone spawning the Deciver or the Nightbringer, can't remember which one B) Now THAT's hillarious. TDA Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/127734-how-to-kill-abaddon/page/2/#findComment-1472447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAryan Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 Wow, if force weapons get that nerf in 5th I'm going to be very sad... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/127734-how-to-kill-abaddon/page/2/#findComment-1472553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redbaron997 Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 Wow, if force weapons get that nerf in 5th I'm going to be very sad... Thankfully us non tournament players can stick with 4th edition, I will if the majority of the rumours out now turn out to be true. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/127734-how-to-kill-abaddon/page/2/#findComment-1472774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 Bah! Change and adapt. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/127734-how-to-kill-abaddon/page/2/#findComment-1472828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cale Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 Yeah, having read the leaked 5th playtest rules, I have to say that I am basically in favour of every single proposed change. There is nothing that I have read so far which I don't think is a change for the better, on the whole. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/127734-how-to-kill-abaddon/page/2/#findComment-1472853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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