Modelling: Doghouse Pattern Truescale Marines

[Terrible_Trygon]

teukgon, your pictures appear to not be functioning. You might want to look into that chap.

 

Anyways, here is that marine I did from page 7, complete.

 

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/Terrible_Trygon/Tarzards%20Talons%20Champion/DSCF0345.jpg

Edited June 8, 2009 by Terrible_Trygon

[Doghouse]

Nice work mate! :lol:

[Dominar_Mortis]

awesome toot Doghouse, lovin every step and have even trawled thru the interwebs to steal more ideas :ph34r:

 

just a quick one for you Doghouse, would you recommend the use of the normal PA arms or the termy ones for scale and cost purposes?

 

IMHO the termy ones look a little bulky and are limited in poses (which can be fixed a little with cutting etc), however the amount of poses from the PA arms is a lot more in choice, cheaper as basic bitz and i believe look a little better for scale.

 

i have blu-taced a couple of minis together just to get a feel for the bitz needed and they are looking pretty sweet!

 

patiently awaiting the next installment :drool:

 

 

DM

[antique_nova]

Can't see any images...... can you put it on deviant art or in your album please?

[teukgong]

hmm i was thinking same thing as dominar, but decided both arms are stumpy! i was using the chaos terminator arm cos they dont have the pipes attachd to underarm, so make it slightly less chunky.

 

im only at bluetac stage but have bin trying out lots things, what do you guys think?

 

(compare) : )

 

link

 

link2

 

might try use normal tactical arm but with a spacer at upper arm because other wise elbow barely passes chest which looks real bad..

 

ye nice pic i like pose, you hav to show us what you did to arm?

[Terrible_Trygon]

I would not use normal power armour marine arms. They look deformed and stumpy on a Actual Scale marine.

[Doghouse]

The way I do the arms is the tactical arms with a little modification done to them like on these guys I did ages ago:

 

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/Doghouse12/Picture029-3.jpg

 

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/Doghouse12/Picture008-5.jpg

 

These were a bit of a rush job but the trick is to use the terminator arm from the shoulder to the elbow then add the regular tactical arm. You then bulk out the armour of the fore-arm using GS. The hands from the tactical marines are about the right size and allow you to use regular marine weapons much easier and by doing this you can also reposition the arms to fit better rather than rely on the rather limited poses of the terminator arms or the stumpiness of the tactical arms.

It's a lot easier than it sounds but will be covered in the tutorial vids I'm hard at work on.

[Doghouse]

teukgong :Looking good mate! The chaos arms work pretty well the way you've done them, sort of along the same lines as the ones for the tutorial but without the GS work. Top stuff! ;)

[Doghouse]

Here's another view without the forearm being greenstuffed to keep you ticking over till the vids are done. I've cut the marine tactical arm off removing the elbow and upper arm. I've then cut the terminator fore arm off where it meets the powefist and replaced it with the tactical forearm.

The best way to get the most out of positioning is to cut the elbow off the terminator arm altogether then reposition it before adding the tactical fore-arm. This allows you to have the arms across the chest to hold a regular bolter (there will be biggerising tutorial for bolters in the vids as well). The same can be done with chainsword arms, bolt-pistol arms, etc.

Don't worry if you aren't too confident with GS as I'll be covering the basics in the vids. ;)

 

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/Doghouse12/Picture021-3.jpg

[Brother-Captain Laen]

Thank you so much Doghouse! You rock man! Are you going to set up a site for donations for all your hard work?

[Doghouse]

Nah, just send me a cheque in the post. :D

[son of sanguinus]

(sorry if this is threadomancy)

is the tut finished apart from the videos?

and will the full way of doing the arms be covered in there?

[Doghouse]

No that's a valid question mate.

 

I'm currently having camera problems but will be posting more at some point. The batteries seem to have died on me and I can only get about ten seconds to take pictures or vids at a time which has slowed my progress down conciderably.

If you have any questions regarding stuff that you want to know in the meantime feel free to post here or PM me and I'll see what I can do. :)

[Higgins]

I just want to say thank you very, VERY much for your tutorials and pics Doghouse!

 

They're very awesome and helpful! ;)

[kampvarg]

And then there was silence...

 

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[Gamelli Streamfisher]

Yeah, when could we expect an update Doghouse? Is there anything we could do to help you? I'm really looking forward to seeing this completed.

[treadhead]

Excellent work on the tutorial Doghouse, even a non gs user like me could follow it lol

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b264/treadhead2/hagar.jpg

Hagar currently (pip) bucketless and serving in ragnar blackmane' wolf guard :)

Edited April 14, 2010 by treadhead

[weissenbier]

so... how about a "true scale" terminator?

[pueriexdeus]

so... how about a "true scale" terminator?

I'll second the motion.

 

I've a FW Commander Cullen that I want to kit bash into Belial.

 

Help is needed.

 

Thanks

[Marshal Pentacost]

Very nice! My question is...Now that youve turned your terminators into marines, how do you make terminators to the same scail?

[Doghouse]

Tread head: Nice one mate! :D He looks brilliant.

 

I have done an Actual Scale terminator and may do a tutorial at some point but for now I'm concentrating on the marines themselves and maybe Actual Scale scouts if I get time. ;)

 

***insert fanfare here***

 

Update time!

 

As I'm currently hard at work on making an Actual Scale Scythes of the Emperor army for Advanced Space Crusade this has given me an excellent opportunity to get this tutorial finished.

As I'm putting together a squad at the moment I'll be updating this over the next week or so, so keep an eye open for updates.

Once completed I'll revise and compile it all into one post so it'll be easier to follow.

 

So moving on from where I left off this is technique uses the regular terminator legs, the back half of a regular tactical marine torso and the front half of a terminator torso.

I've tried dozens of different ways of doing this but this is the simplest way that I could come up with making something user friendly.

 

First you need to remove the arch that is on the top of the front the terminator breast plate. You then remove the little lumps that sit on the back of the terminator breast plate so that it is flat on the back.

If you look at the back half tactical marine torso piece side on you'll see that the rounded bit that the neck sits in when you put the two halves together sticks out. You need to trim this off so that it is flat with the sides. Once you've done this you can stick the terminator breast plate onto the rear of the tactical marine torso and stick it so that it sits on top of the terminator legs like so.

 

http://i39.tinypic.com/zntp94.jpg

 

http://i44.tinypic.com/2n6t54k.jpg

 

http://i40.tinypic.com/29upn48.jpg

 

It looks a little odd like this at the moment but don't worry the GS work is coming next. ;)

[Doghouse]

Next you want to fill in the areas around the waist with GS. To get an idea of how to smooth out GS and create hard edges you can check out my vids here:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EExgS2uibUU

 

Once you've filled out the waist you can add a blob of GS to the back like this so that you can build up the torso.

 

http://i43.tinypic.com/1orlzq.jpg

 

 

Following the video tutorial in the link smooth out GS to fill the area as seen below. Basically all you are doing is levelling off the back so that it matches up with the front and can add more GS if needed to the ball you originally added.

 

 

http://i43.tinypic.com/2z553b5.jpg

 

http://i40.tinypic.com/jhrcyw.jpg

 

Then it's just a matter of repeating for the other side of the torso.

 

I've removed the belt buckle on the model above and will go on sculpt more for the torso and belt but if you are not confident with GS you can stop here. It's not that hard to get it right with a little practice though. :)

[Doghouse]

Next up is the addition of the belt. To do this it is a simple matter of rolling out some GS into a long thin sausage shape and wrapping it around the waist. You want to make it fairly thin because as you flatten it out it will be thinner but will also spread out.

Using the tutorial vid in the link above on creating hard edges you need to flatten it out and shape it. Don't worry if it doesn't go all the way around at first because you can add more to make it connect.

 

http://i44.tinypic.com/o6cmkw.jpg

 

http://i44.tinypic.com/2nbuikk.jpg

 

It looks a little bottom heavy here but don't worry as I will be going back to the torso again next.

[Doghouse]

To bulk out the tutorial as an optional extra roll out a thin line of GS and apply as seen here before smoothing out.

 

http://i39.tinypic.com/2aeupky.jpg

 

Then do the same all the way around the bottom of the torso as seen here.

 

http://i40.tinypic.com/24b0tih.jpg

 

I then did the same around the top of the torso, ideally the flat part of the shoulders should be roughly a little wider than the hips of the model.

 

http://i41.tinypic.com/2w6bhtv.jpg

 

http://i39.tinypic.com/208cvph.jpg

[Doghouse]

At this stage because I chose to bulk out the torso a little. To be fair you don't really need to do this and can just leave the torso bare, I'm only doing it because I want to sculpt the torso detailing. For the cabling on the abdomen I've used the Mk VIII style cable housing because it's easier to do, if you wanted to do the Mk VII style cabling the you could use fine guitar strings or even plastic cables from other models. Once this is in place you can add the belt buckle.

 

http://i42.tinypic.com/334n41y.jpg

 

 

Their are two different ways of doing the arms, first off there is the terminator method. You need a right storm bolter arm, the left thunder hammer arm and the left hand from the tactical marine arm that grips the bolter. Remove the storm bolter and replace it with a bolter, you need to cut the arms where it meets the shoulder and twist it to go across the chest so that both arms can hold the bolter.

 

My preferred method is as seen below because it's cheap and give you an accurate representation of a pair of Mk IV armour arms with a little GS. As you can see I've set the arms a little lower than normal, this is so that when the shoulder pads are in place it looks like the arms are correctly sized. As a rule the elbow should be level with the belt.

You could just use unmodified bolter arms with no GS if you aren't confident enough but they will suffer from the t-rex syndrome as they'll look even thinner than normal.

 

http://i39.tinypic.com/avmqzo.jpg

 

http://i39.tinypic.com/358wc3d.jpg

 

 

Once this is glued in place you can begin adding GS to bulk it out. The trick is to fill the gaps between the wrist and the elbow and the elbow and the top of the arm. I've bulked out the shoulders in the second picture but you could just add a blob of GS so that the shoulder pad has something to stick to. Alternatively you could cut the tops off the terminator arms and attach the marine arms to that but it will push up the price of the conversions.

In the second shot below I've added some GS and simply sculpted over the existing elbow pads.

 

http://i39.tinypic.com/b4hnrn.jpg

 

http://i44.tinypic.com/rckld2.jpg