The History and Legacy of Dorn's Betrayal

[cathar the great]

First time posting in this thread. Let me just say that I'm a huge fan of all your work here and I enjoy reading all the articled you've written.

 

But the Dark Angels didn't sit so well with me. As pointed out by others, some passages seem rushed and some of the major topics, like the whole Walking the Spiral business, are great ideas that would be much better if they were described in more detail.

 

I also can't wrap my head around the fact that no one in the Imperium has figured out that the leader of the Dark Angels returns to Caliban at regular intervals and that it might be a good idea to mass troops there and just kill him. Yes it would be costly, but if I understand it correctly, manpower is as much an unlimited ressource in your universe as it is in the actual GW 'verse.

The worlds the DA recruit from also seem like a great spot to start wiping out these Traitors. Going back to the same planets/systems over and over again makes them a very predictable threat and I feel like 10 000 years is enough time to figure this out and use it to overpower them.

 

Just some of my thoughts while I was reading this, I still love it and I hope the next ones will be as great as the others.

 

Cheers,

Peter

[Aurelius Rex]

Right, the last week's been a case of playing catch-up on all the things I let slide in the run-up to completing the Dark Angels article - at home and on the board! :) Now I have built up a nice pile of domestic karma, I can sneak back here with a clearer conscience. This may take a while, but hopefully I can address the questions that built up.

 

I just wondered, if the Space Wolves are traitors, what's the alternate name of the Leman Russ tank? (Perturabo, or Angron would be perfect ^_^ ) What do you think?

 

It depends. Angron would be the obvious one due to the parallels with Russ but would the Iron Warriors be ones making the tanks in the Dornain universe?

 

Also, I have a question. Due to this being a mirror universe did the Fabricator General and his faction of the Mechanicus remain loyal to the Emperor during the Heresy?

 

Good questions! Having addressed things from an Astartes perspective, things like the Imperial Army the fate of the Mechanicus have only been touched upon. OK, because it probably won’t fit into the remaining IA articles, here is a quick DVD special feature. :)

 

The Leman Russ Battle Tank

In the wake of the Heresy, and the fall of the Space Wolves to the worship of Khorne, the stalwart Leman Russ battle tank came to be regarded with suspicion and even hatred. Despite the dire state in which the Imperium found itself, there were rumblings that, rather than simply removing them to barracks, they should be ceremonially destroyed, and the plans purged from the forge-world STC’s lest their corruption should spread further. Passions were calmed by the intervention of the Ecclesiarch, Lorgar Aurelian of the Word Bearers, who had brokered a renewed détente between Terra and Mars. Lorgar conducted a service upon the red soil of Mars to symbolically reconsecrate the tank in all its incarnations across the Imperium, and purged it of its evil past. Though it is said that he initially resisted the idea as immodest, he was also convinced to lend his own name to the vehicle as a way to re-establish it as a symbol of purity.

 

Ever since, the battle tank was no longer known as the Leman Russ, but as the Aurelian.

[clearfloat][/clearfloat]

 

Oh, and I hope to touch upon the fate of the head of the Mechanicus in the Imperial Fists IA, but if it is a casualty of the editing process, ask me again after it is published.

 

 

And I was considering if I needed to give the name of the 'Manchurian Candidate' captain in command of Cadia. It is obvious, right?

 

Lysander?

Good stuff! I was worrying that I had been too obscure. Hopefully there will be more of this in the Imperial Fist IA... but the way things are going it might be fighting with a lot of other stuff to get in!

 

I would have liked to see a loyalist cypher, but i guess he was doomed no matter what he did.

what about Azreal?

 

 

Master of the first company luthors champion.

Well, the Dark Angels do recruit from Kimmeria, so there is a good chance that he has been inducted into their ranks. :D

 

Very nice read, very interesting. Having not read any of the Dark Angel books, somethings were out of my depth; the mention of the Spiral, Luther, Cypher. They all seem very logical explained, though without a reference the alternate universe element seems a bit obscured to me.

 

I do have a few questions. Unlike other articles, Aurelius refers to the Dark Angels as having chapters, not grand companies. What difference, if any, is there in this choice of terminology?

The article certainly draws upon the Horus Heresy books ‘Descent of Angels’ by Mitchell Scanlon and ‘Fallen Angels’ by Mike Lee – just as the previous one drew upon the events of ‘Legion’ by Dan Abnett. (Thanks, guys, if you ever get to see this!) The idea was to keep things similar until the major divergence – that of Luther being convinced to go to Istvaan and reveal to everyone that the Dark Angels have sided with the traitors. In that vein, it incorporates and twists a number of elements from the books as well as things from the spread of GW history and codices, but hopefully it won’t spoil things if you haven’t read those books.

 

The books mention chapters rather than grand companies, as Allfather1 correctly notes. The Word Bearers are also said to have chapters in The First Heretic.

 

Also, I was unsure to what length the spiral protects against the corrupting powers of chaos, and what is Walking the spiral? The article simply refers to it as an ability. Is it a psychic discipline? a form of technology? A process like soul-binding? Are the Dark Angels immune to possession? mutation? or simply strongly warded against it. Does that mean there are no Demonic Princes or obliterators?

The intention was to keep this intentionally vague, although I will review the wording before it goes into the PDF. The Colourpiece reveals that it comes from knowledge he forced from the Watchers in the Dark – the novels indicate that they stand against Chaos, and from that I imply that they have knowledge of how to ward themselves against it as well – but this is pointedly not mentioned in the main article. Like other things in the ‘POV colourpieces’ this info is supposedly not even known by the ‘IA author’, and certainly not revealed to the other Chaos legions, who would be really interested to find out about the secrets of the Watchers themselves. As to how it works, the intent is that – at least in the form Luther teaches it - it is a mental process, the equivalent of the physical duelling drills the knights of Caliban learned of the same name. There may well be some extra mystical process going on too, but I wanted to keep it ambiguous.

 

As to what it does, it would allow them to harness Chaos as a weapon without being mutated themselves... think of it as a duellist knowing not to hold the sword by the naked blade! When they get it right, they don’t get possessed, and don’t put themselves open to possession. They are far less likely to suffer mutations. But, especially as they enter the Inner Circle, they can use more of the powers of Chaos to their own ends. There would be no obliterators, and no daemon-princes.

 

If the intention was to leave the details of the spiral vague, might I suggest a plot device. for instance, if Luther wrote all he learned from meeting with the Watchers in the Dark in a tome (say the book of Luther), then you can keep the vagueness intact while still cluing the reader in. The Dark Angels who read the secrets contained within the book learn ways and techniques to ward themselves against corruption, of devices of both technological and mystical origin capable of bending the warp, and how to seal themselves from possession, or the opposite, to open an unfortunate victim up to possession or worse. Calling it an ability seems, to me, far too much like equating this with an inborn trait like being a psyker. What this sounds like is a secret, and as we know, secrets are at the heart of the Dark Angels.

 

(Plus, the idea of a watcher in the dark made to follow around Luther carrying the Book of Luther instead of the Lion Helm seems particularly devious, heh heh)

Are you sure you have not been tested for psychic potential? :lol: I hope to get some artwork for the PDF of a broken, battered and chained Watcher accompanying either Luther or an Interrogator-Librarian, and carrying around something... a book of Luther would be a really interesting idea!

 

 

I will have to continue this at a later stage, but there is no doubt that this feedback is very useful, and that I will definitely be using it to refine and edit the article for when it goes into the Legio Imprint PDF. :)

 

Regards,

Aurelius.

[Chapter Master Ignis Domus]

So what's next? Fists, by any chance?

[Ace Debonair]

Good questions! Having addressed things from an Astartes perspective, things like the Imperial Army the fate of the Mechanicus have only been touched upon. OK, because it probably won’t fit into the remaining IA articles, here is a quick DVD special feature. B)

 

...

 

Ever since, the battle tank was no longer known as the Leman Russ, but as the Aurelian.

Neat.

I can imagine the DH Space Wolves would take every concievable opportunity to anoint the ruins of said tanks with the names/signs of their Primarch and their chosen deity, just to remind everyone who they were originally named after. :)

[Codicier Lucion]

Good questions! Having addressed things from an Astartes perspective, things like the Imperial Army the fate of the Mechanicus have only been touched upon. OK, because it probably won’t fit into the remaining IA articles, here is a quick DVD special feature. :mellow:

 

The Leman Russ Battle Tank

In the wake of the Heresy, and the fall of the Space Wolves to the worship of Khorne, the stalwart Leman Russ battle tank came to be regarded with suspicion and even hatred. Despite the dire state in which the Imperium found itself, there were rumblings that, rather than simply removing them to barracks, they should be ceremonially destroyed, and the plans purged from the forge-world STC’s lest their corruption should spread further. Passions were calmed by the intervention of the Ecclesiarch, Lorgar Aurelian of the Word Bearers, who had brokered a renewed détente between Terra and Mars. Lorgar conducted a service upon the red soil of Mars to symbolically reconsecrate the tank in all its incarnations across the Imperium, and purged it of its evil past. Though it is said that he initially resisted the idea as immodest, he was also convinced to lend his own name to the vehicle as a way to re-establish it as a symbol of purity.

 

Ever since, the battle tank was no longer known as the Leman Russ, but as the Aurelian.

[clearfloat][/clearfloat]

 

Oh, and I hope to touch upon the fate of the head of the Mechanicus in the Imperial Fists IA, but if it is a casualty of the editing process, ask me again after it is published.

 

Very nice, that's quite the history for the tank you've written up; not to mention it gives some good insight into what happened after the Battle of Terra.

You did already answer that post but I appreciate you taking the time to write up a bit more of the universe to answer those questions.

[AGPO]

Good work once again Aurelius. I really like the similarities between the Dornian Dark Angels and the Relictors. I do have a couple of points of feedback on this one though:

 

1. As others have said, the whole returning back to Caliban every few years notion seems a bit iffy. I mean, look at Norm'verse Cadia - if the Imperium decides it really doesn't want Chaos on a world, they pull out all the stops. Seeing as how they'll stop at nothing to track down a traitor Primarch, Luthor popping over for a quick scan of the headlines doesn't really fit. I would suggest this - Luthor transcribed the runes into his book, but the portents do not become clear until the time of the Unforgiven's return. They can keep their recruiting worlds secret, but in recent years the Imperium is getting better at spotting the patterns in their movements (do they have help?)

 

2. It seems a bit of an anti-climax that the Unforgiven return only to be tracked down by Luthor and co imediately due to the runes. Also the lack of info about the Lion seems a shame, especially after all the effort the Emperor went to. Maybe the Lion is secretly working to re-gather his knights and hide them from the clutches of Luthor's traitors, ready to carry out the Emperor's orders once again.

 

3. I'm guessing that what with Magnus's psychic communication with the Emperor, he knows full well about the Lion and the Unforgiven's innocence but the idea of their betrayal is too deeply ingrained for him to be able to do anything publicly. With both having shadowy missions, are Magnus and the Lion aware of each other's work. I don't think the Lion would have any hesitation in sacrificing the Grey Knights to bring about the Emperor's resurection, whilst Magnus's power must help in devining where the unforgiven will emerge. A POV piece with Magnus and the Lion meeting on Caliban to decypher the runes would be awesome.

 

4. The lackof ambiguity surrounding Cypher seems like a missed oportunity. With all the fooling around with Bile, can we be sure Cypher really is dead, or who he is working for?

[Culebras]

Good work once again Aurelius. I really like the similarities between the Dornian Dark Angels and the Relictors. I do have a couple of points of feedback on this one though:

 

1. As others have said, the whole returning back to Caliban every few years notion seems a bit iffy. I mean, look at Norm'verse Cadia - if the Imperium decides it really doesn't want Chaos on a world, they pull out all the stops. Seeing as how they'll stop at nothing to track down a traitor Primarch, Luthor popping over for a quick scan of the headlines doesn't really fit. I would suggest this - Luthor transcribed the runes into his book, but the portents do not become clear until the time of the Unforgiven's return. They can keep their recruiting worlds secret, but in recent years the Imperium is getting better at spotting the patterns in their movements (do they have help?)

 

2. It seems a bit of an anti-climax that the Unforgiven return only to be tracked down by Luthor and co imediately due to the runes. Also the lack of info about the Lion seems a shame, especially after all the effort the Emperor went to. Maybe the Lion is secretly working to re-gather his knights and hide them from the clutches of Luthor's traitors, ready to carry out the Emperor's orders once again.

 

3. I'm guessing that what with Magnus's psychic communication with the Emperor, he knows full well about the Lion and the Unforgiven's innocence but the idea of their betrayal is too deeply ingrained for him to be able to do anything publicly. With both having shadowy missions, are Magnus and the Lion aware of each other's work. I don't think the Lion would have any hesitation in sacrificing the Grey Knights to bring about the Emperor's resurection, whilst Magnus's power must help in devining where the unforgiven will emerge. A POV piece with Magnus and the Lion meeting on Caliban to decypher the runes would be awesome.

 

4. The lackof ambiguity surrounding Cypher seems like a missed oportunity. With all the fooling around with Bile, can we be sure Cypher really is dead, or who he is working for?

 

1. the Most likely scenario I can imagine is that the destruction of Caliban created an asteroid field that spread out in a ring around the star. Such a massive field (I'm thinking of the one from Star Wars: Empire Strikes Back as an example) may be too difficult to accurately patrol. If the Caliban Asteroid field was also inhabited by unstable warp fields, mines, Space Hulks, and other devious traps left by the Dark Angels, that would make it much harder for the Imperium to patrol. Plus, the Norm'verse Rock can move under its own engines, so there may be an equivalent scenario here.

 

2. I would agree here. In the Norm'verse, the unforgiven hunt the fallen to prevent them, at least in theory, from spreading the worship of Chaos or overthrowing planets, etc. all very Chaosy things. However, what are the Unforgiven going to do when they come back? overthrow the Ultramarines? Spread the worship of the Emperor on Chaos held planets. Admitedly, the last flavor piece helps to reveal the secret, but there seems to be a big difference between the norm and Dornian Heresy universes. In the Norm, the fallen DA can be an active force, working towards their own ends and pursuing their own schemes that the DA must halt. However, in the Dorn'verse, the Unforgiven are an inactive force that don't seem to have any clear motivations. Its the difference between a patient hunter stalking a dangerous predator and a cruel hunter stalking a bewildered and defenseless animal.

 

3. This ties in to point 2, and I may be on a limb here, but see if you can connect the dots. The DA are hunting the Unforgiven, who carry the emperor's mental mark. Magnus is hunting for the Grey Knights who carry The emperor's genetic mark. Coincidence? or are the two searches connected? Also, the fate of the Lion being left unknown is somewhat frustrating. All the other Primarchs seem to have had important demises worthy of their status. Having the Lion die on Caliban while the rest were spirited away makes it stick out compared to the other stories.

 

4. Cypher, in my opinion, has always been the lightening rod for writers targeting the DA. Good, Bad, Ambiguous, its just hard to write for the DA without trying to bring him in, and I applaud the decision to keep cypher in the background. That said, it would have been nice to have taken the character of Cypher and put a new spin on him the way that was done with many other characters. If you wanted to bring out more Cypher, I would have tied it in with another area that have been focused on. For instance, in the aftermath of Cypher's death, an unknown person escaped, taking with him cypher's garb and weapons. Since then, this new Cypher has been the target of much interest by the DA. is he the real Cypher, having turned on his own legion? is he an escaped thousand son trying to reach the unforgiven ahead of the DA? Is it actually the Lion, who was held prisoner by Luther, and now has escaped and is seeking to reunite his loyal sons to retake their chapter?

[Kelbor-Hal]

4. Cypher, in my opinion, has always been the lightening rod for writers targeting the DA. Good, Bad, Ambiguous, its just hard to write for the DA without trying to bring him in, and I applaud the decision to keep cypher in the background. That said, it would have been nice to have taken the character of Cypher and put a new spin on him the way that was done with many other characters. If you wanted to bring out more Cypher, I would have tied it in with another area that have been focused on. For instance, in the aftermath of Cypher's death, an unknown person escaped, taking with him cypher's garb and weapons. Since then, this new Cypher has been the target of much interest by the DA. is he the real Cypher, having turned on his own legion? is he an escaped thousand son trying to reach the unforgiven ahead of the DA? Is it actually the Lion, who was held prisoner by Luther, and now has escaped and is seeking to reunite his loyal sons to retake their chapter?

 

Descent of Angels was some time ago, so correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Lord Cypher an inheritable title of the Order? I really don't know, but it seemed to me back then, that it's something like the Master of the Hunt...

[modernangelofdeath]

2. I would agree here. In the Norm'verse, the unforgiven hunt the fallen to prevent them, at least in theory, from spreading the worship of Chaos or overthrowing planets, etc. all very Chaosy things. However, what are the Unforgiven going to do when they come back? overthrow the Ultramarines? Spread the worship of the Emperor on Chaos held planets. Admitedly, the last flavor piece helps to reveal the secret, but there seems to be a big difference between the norm and Dornian Heresy universes. In the Norm, the fallen DA can be an active force, working towards their own ends and pursuing their own schemes that the DA must halt. However, in the Dorn'verse, the Unforgiven are an inactive force that don't seem to have any clear motivations. Its the difference between a patient hunter stalking a dangerous predator and a cruel hunter stalking a bewildered and defenseless animal.

 

3. This ties in to point 2, and I may be on a limb here, but see if you can connect the dots. The DA are hunting the Unforgiven, who carry the emperor's mental mark. Magnus is hunting for the Grey Knights who carry The emperor's genetic mark. Coincidence? or are the two searches connected? Also, the fate of the Lion being left unknown is somewhat frustrating. All the other Primarchs seem to have had important demises worthy of their status. Having the Lion die on Caliban while the rest were spirited away makes it stick out compared to the other stories.

 

you do relize he's making a separate IA for the unforgiven right? bet you all will be revealed then.

[Aurelius Rex]

Just dipping back here briefly - many thanks for all of the feedback on this article, as it will be invaluable in refining and improving it. This may not happen here, but it will certainly be taken into account when I am working on refining it for the Dornian Heresy Part 2 PDF in the Legio Imprint. :P

 

First up, regarding the Imperium gathering forces at Caliban to catch the Dark Angels. Having given this a lot of thought, I agree that it needs better explanation and I will definitely be addressing this in future edits. Given their abilities to manipulate the Warp, and the proximity to the Eye of Terror, I will make clear that after finding that the Imperium had caught onto their re-appearance in the Caliban system that they spread cults to a large number of surrounding systems, destabilising any attempt at Imperial rule in the surrounding sub-sector. They are Chaos-controlled, and all-but daemon-worlds, which could also make warp-travel more difficult for Imperial ships due to their proximity to the Eye of Terror. Imperial fleets would still be able to enter the area, but they would be severely isolated from support, and it would be far more difficult, and like any force going too close to the EoT, the garrison would itself run the risk of insidious corruption.

 

That would make it much more viable for Luther and his First Chapter of Deathwing Terminators to be able to dislodge any Imperial bases built there, and to take out any patrol ships sent to try to catch them. Anything more than that, Luther could call in other parts of the Dark Angel legion to help out.

 

Does that sound more reasonable? :)

 

 

Regarding the recruiting worlds, I had intended to mention that they recruit covertly, without letting the Imperial authorities know, as if they found out they would punish the populations, but for some reason I couldn't find a form of worlds I liked, and then I forgot to change it! I shall see about a way to word it for the PDF. Admittedly, their defences of these worlds would be less than covert - I shall consider how to finesse this. :)

 

 

The parallel between Luther's search for the Unforgiven and Magnus tracking down the Emperor's biological 'Grey Knight' sons was long-intended to be the subject of a colourpiece, but ended up losing out to the editing process. Possibly more on this later. Overall, the whole article ran much longer than I had intended - only the Word Bearers one has a higher word-count - and so that led to a number of intended sub-plots, colourpieces and tangents losing out in the editing massacre. It may also be why the battle between Luther and the Lion was slightly truncated. :cry:

 

I had also wanted to have Luther mention that he has the terrible suspicion that the Lion could also have been saved, and is out there, ready to be released back into the universe... or is even already out there, waiting and plotting against him even now. :P If I manage to trim down the article sufficiently, I will try to add a hint of this back in for the pdf.

 

 

Oh, and no intention at the moment of having an IA: Unforgiven. With five more legions to flesh out, that is not likely, but it should leave lots of potential plot hooks for people to consider themselves. :)

 

 

More later, and thanks for all the support and feedback, as it makes it so much easier to see this mammoth undertaking to completion. :P

 

Regards,

Aurelius.

[modernangelofdeath]

i thought that earlier you said that the unforgiven would come out with the next PDF?

[Culebras]

regarding the Imperium gathering forces at Caliban to catch the Dark Angels. Having given this a lot of thought, I agree that it needs better explanation and I will definitely be addressing this in future edits. Given their abilities to manipulate the Warp, and the proximity to the Eye of Terror, I will make clear that after finding that the Imperium had caught onto their re-appearance in the Caliban system that they spread cults to a large number of surrounding systems, destabilising any attempt at Imperial rule in the surrounding sub-sector. They are Chaos-controlled, and all-but daemon-worlds, which could also make warp-travel more difficult for Imperial ships due to their proximity to the Eye of Terror. Imperial fleets would still be able to enter the area, but they would be severely isolated from support, and it would be far more difficult, and like any force going too close to the EoT, the garrison would itself run the risk of insidious corruption.

 

That would make it much more viable for Luther and his First Chapter of Deathwing Terminators to be able to dislodge any Imperial bases built there, and to take out any patrol ships sent to try to catch them. Anything more than that, Luther could call in other parts of the Dark Angel legion to help out.

 

Does that sound more reasonable? :(

 

 

Regarding the recruiting worlds, I had intended to mention that they recruit covertly, without letting the Imperial authorities know, as if they found out they would punish the populations, but for some reason I couldn't find a form of worlds I liked, and then I forgot to change it! I shall see about a way to word it for the PDF. Admittedly, their defences of these worlds would be less than covert - I shall consider how to finesse this.

 

To Aurelius

 

If I might make a suggestion, according to the map on page 30-31 of the Space Marine Codex, The Rock is located north-east of the Eye of Terror and on almost a direct line towards Armageddon. While I don't know if you intend to include any mention of the Salamanders fighting there, you could mention in that entry that the Dark Angels have been able to isolate the sectors north of the Eye of terror by creating a buffer salient of chaos held worlds, of which Armageddon would have been the next target. This might help solve two problems.

 

This Line would present a barrier to any ship trying to reach the caliban system and any sectors north of the Eye, forcing Imperial Crusades to either swing all the way around Armageddon or come around the Eye of Terror, potentially bringing them near the dangerous halo stars. also, it would create a small pocket of "free" worlds that the Dark Angels could recruit from that would be very difficult for the Imperium to patrol due to the problems in reaching there. The way I see it, just because the traitor legions of the Cannon universe are walled up in the eye doesn't mean the Dornian Heresy verse needs to be. Especially if, as the Alpha legion suggests, the Black legion controls cadia

[Kelbor-Hal]

What comes next?

[Codicier Lucion]

Possibly Death Guard? There seems to have been plenty of events they've been involved in and conflicts they've fought mentioned in the last few Index Astartes.

 

EDIT: correcting errors.

[Aurelius Rex]

@modernangelofdeath - Sorry if I gave that impression - that wasn't the intention. The edited and improved IA:DA posted above will be the thing that will arrive in the Legio Imprint PDF.

 

@Culebras - Thanks for the suggestion - I shall see what seems to fit best when I come back to it with a fresh eye during the LI editing process... You wouldn't believe how many (admittedly relatively minor) tweaks the articles in the last PDF underwent! :P

 

What comes next?

The Night Lords are next to be posted here, followed by the Salamanders. Then you will have to wait until the Legio Imprint showcases the last three legions (SoH, IF and DG) as original, never before seen material as well as printing polished and illustrated articles on the IW, IH, [Edit - Forgot the AL!], DA, NL and Sals articles that you will by that time have seen posted here. :P

 

So that I can tie together the narrative themes of the remaining articles, and to minimise the gap between the last Sals article being posted here and the Legio Imprint arriving to finish the arc, I will hold off posting the NL article until I have also finished (or got a really good head-start on) the Imperial Fist one.

[Ubermensch Commander]

@modernangelofdeath - Sorry if I gave that impression - that wasn't the intention. The edited and improved IA:DA posted above will be the thing that will arrive in the Legio Imprint PDF.

 

@Culebras - Thanks for the suggestion - I shall see what seems to fit best when I come back to it with a fresh eye during the LI editing process... You wouldn't believe how many (admittedly relatively minor) tweaks the articles in the last PDF underwent! :)

 

What comes next?

The Night Lords are next to be posted here, followed by the Salamanders. Then you will have to wait until the Legio Imprint showcases the last three legions (SoH, IF and DG) as original, never before seen material as well as printing polished and illustrated articles on the IW, IH, DA, NL and Sals articles that you will by that time have seen posted here. :P

 

So that I can tie together the narrative themes of the remaining articles, and to minimise the gap between the last Sals article being posted here and the Legio Imprint arriving to finish the arc, I will hold off posting the NL article until I have also finished (or got a really good head-start on) the Imperial Fist one.

 

 

 

Thank you for all of your hard work. It has been an amazing read so far.

 

Edit: Forgot my oh so manly fangushing over SALAMANDERS, NIGHT LORDS, and DORNIAN HERETICS!!

While I am "meh" over the loyalist Imp Fists, I am very very curious about how they are going to turn out in the Dornian Heresy, how Sigismund is trying to wield the Legion back together and get the traitors unified. Uphill battle does not even begin to describe it.

I just like the Salamanders and Night Lords in the regular verse, so seeing them turned on their head should be a trip.

Also, a potential to hear Kurze utter "I am vengeance, I am the night, I am BATM...I mean NIGHT HAUNTER!"

Cheers!

[Ace Debonair]

What comes next?

The Night Lords are next to be posted here, followed by the Salamanders. Then you will have to wait until the Legio Imprint showcases the last three legions (SoH, IF and DG) as original, never before seen material as well as printing polished and illustrated articles on the IW, IH, [Edit - Forgot the AL!], DA, NL and Sals articles that you will by that time have seen posted here. ^_^

Did you really forget the Alpha Legion? Or have they just gotten to you, too? :lol:

 

Bah, I'm getting paranoid. ;)

[Epistolary Exander]

This has been a great series so far B)

[The_son_of_Dorn]

can't wait for the next one ;)

 

But Death Guard it the one im obsessing over the most and theyre last! :tu:

[modernangelofdeath]

wait so if horus is good here..........does that that mean Loken was bad? what about Garro and Sual Tarvitz? and not meaning to sound like a nag but why didnt lucius play a bigger part?

[Ferrata]

Not all of the characters mentioned in the HH books have been mentioned in the IAs - in fact it would be an impossible task without the IAs coming across as some sort of cheap list of this is what happened to this person. If you read the original IAs of the legions, most of the characters we know know and love (or loathe) are not mentioned. Bile still makes a strong appearence. Lucius inspired the Lord of the Hunt (with the eternal, soul swapping thingy).

[modernangelofdeath]

Not all of the characters mentioned in the HH books have been mentioned in the IAs - in fact it would be an impossible task without the IAs coming across as some sort of cheap list of this is what happened to this person. If you read the original IAs of the legions, most of the characters we know know and love (or loathe) are not mentioned. Bile still makes a strong appearence. Lucius inspired the Lord of the Hunt (with the eternal, soul swapping thingy).

What I meant was why did Lucius just die in the Iron Hands IA? He was one of the deciding characters in the original Heresy, so why does he get thrown away so easily without doing something interesting?

[Culebras]

You'd have to ask aurelius on that. It may be that Loken and Lucius simply played much reduced parts in this universe. Or the story he wished to tell didn't require them in it to work. There is a limit to how long these articles can be.

 

On an unrelated note, I've been thinking about ways to possibly tie in some of the Successor chapters to the Dornian Heresy Legions. Anyone else have any thoughts on that?

 

Here's what I got so far

 

Lamenters

Flesh tearers

Flawless host

Genesis

Silver Skulls

Mortifactors

Blood Drinkers

Consecrators

Knights of Caliban

Angels of redemption

Beasts of Annihilation

 

Anyone else been giving any thought on this?

[Kelbor-Hal]

What I meant was why did Lucius just die in the Iron Hands IA? He was one of the deciding characters in the original Heresy, so why does he get thrown away so easily without doing something interesting?

 

Well, I think there is a clear pattern in the DH to avoid too much similarity with the original universe. Besides, there is a better way to make it more relatable and more 'alive': We have to develope our own stories with our own notable characters/heroes (the lack of original characters brought much criticism from some 40K fans on other forums). From this point of view it's even better, that we don't have that much known characters, who would owershadow the one we might create...

I think it won't be a bad idea to make a short story writing contest based upon the already existing IAs; it would be fun, and it would stir the community a little (not to mention, the wait won't be so boring...). What do you guys think?

[Epistolary Exander]

I think it won't be a bad idea to make a short story writing contest based upon the already existing IAs; it would be fun, and it would stir the community a little (not to mention, the wait won't be so boring...). What do you guys think?

 

Thats a pretty sweet idea, :)

 

Are you thinking there should be any no go areas for subjects, besides legions which have not been visited yet? I would suggest if this does happen, that we post the stories on a new thread or each story has its own thread so that we do not disrupt the development of the Dornian Heresy on this thread.