favorite primarch

[StormWarriors2]

My most Favorite Primarch is the Lion and Motarion.

[Capt. Lysander]

My most Favorite Primarch is the Lion and Motarion.

 

Why so? :P

 

Edit: If I've fan-boyed or offended anyone for my previous backing Dorn posts, I apologize :P

[pulserifle99]

My favorite is the angel of angels

[Marshal Wilhelm]

My most Favorite Primarch is the Lion and Motarion.

 

 

My favorite is the angel of angels

 

Welcome brothers!

 

I hope you'll enjoy yourselves on the B&C. :P

 

Would you care to elaborate on those you've named?

[The 13th Goat]

Cruze Hands down. Why? He had two people for one body, both awesome

 

See, i love Alpharius and Omegon for the flipside; 1 person in two bodies!

 

Also Perturabo; the guy was probably as gifted technolocoally as the Fabricator Genral, plus the Emperor's shoody army keeping meant he got stuck being the janitor for the whole Imperium. Then he turns? Were talking going postal on a massive scale. Imagine doing that at a job you hate!

 

"Don't respect me eh? Well, i'm just gonna tear everything you made apart!"

 

Gotta love him.

[LorgarXVII17]

Right when I clicked on this topic I knew the most common names would be Russ, Lion, Sanguinius, and Horus. I didnt expect so many people to say the Raven Guard primarch though...

 

I knew right from the start nobody would say Lorgar, save a hardcore Word Bearer player, like me. It doesnt suprise me though. Lorgar is one of the lesser primarchs, thought his legion did only engineer the heresy... There also isnt too much information on Lorgar, he hasnt done much other than write a bunch of books and lock himself up on Sicarus to pray for a few thousand years. I only wish he would come out and desecrate some loyalists worlds every now and then.

 

Judging from my small rant, you can probably guess my favorite primarch.

[Mithril hound]

I have to say its a tie, love Magnus i feel that he realy cared about his men- as it was them he turned to chaos for. Secondly, Logar cos' hes such a sh**, i mean he ruined and corrupted the Imperium, and leads a legion that remind me of the loyalists than the space wolves do.

[c-wrex]

I have to say its a tie, love Magnus i feel that he realy cared about his men- as it was them he turned to chaos for. Secondly, Logar cos' hes such a sh**, i mean he ruined and corrupted the Imperium, and leads a legion that remind me of the loyalists than the space wolves do.

 

Could you elaborate on the bit about the Word Bearers?

[Mithril hound]

Ok ill use the templars as an example. They show a fanaticism that is on par with the legion of logar, albeit one is more 'evil' they both are very ritualistic and go thru many rites and such before battle.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

that makes sense in hindsight but not when put into context.

 

the word bearers were fanatically religious in an age where that was frowned upon.

the black templars are fanatically religious in an age where that is the goal.

 

so in the age of the Great Crusade, where religion was bad (mmm'kay?), the actions of the Word Bearers is very very wrong. Sadly, the current state of the Imperium of Man embraces such fanatisicm.

which is a good measure to see just how badly screwed up the current Imperium of Man is

 

WLK

[Marshal Wilhelm]

Ok ill use the templars as an example. They show a fanaticism that is on par with the legion of logar, albeit one is more 'evil' they both are very ritualistic and go thru many rites and such before battle.

 

Woe, woe is me! Mine ears cannot believe themselves! You are using the Emperor's Eternal Crusaders to speak of qualities for the original Traitor and at the detriment of our loyal brothers the Wolves of Fenris? ^_^

 

Sacre Boltre!

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

next thing you know the black templars are going to start fighting for the honor of sorcerers! :lol: ^_^

 

WLK

[Marshal Wilhelm]

next thing you know the black templars are going to start fighting casting lots for the honor of killing sorcerers! ;) :lol:

 

WLK

 

Well of course. What else would a zealous servant of the Emperor do? :angry: :) :angry:

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:D

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

you just michael moored my post...

 

WLK

[Monstra Sumus]

you just michael moored my post...

 

WLK

 

Shazam.

 

~

 

I'm a Blood Angels freak, always have been, always will be. Buuut~ none too keen on Sanguinius. Yeah, he's cool and I do like him but my favourite? That slot goes to the Big D. Dorn gets all my Primarchy flufflove.

 

Why?

 

Mainly because I really like the way he was portrayed. A grizzled veteran, wiser than his younger brothers and a stone cold killer. He didn't do what he did because he enjoyed it and rarely put himself before any task appointed to him. He did it because it was his duty and that's a man I can respect.

 

Plus, it takes a real man to wear bright yellow.

 

And anyone counters with the '' It takes a real man to wear pink, I.E Fulgrim', then I say this.

 

It takes a weak man, devoid of any willpower and struck through with vanity and corruption to wear pink! :angry:

 

Yeah, can you tell Fulgrims my least favourite Primarch?

[Terrahawk]

Brother Tyrax, very well said and I agree 100%.

 

Even though I collect both the Dark Angels and the Space Wolves, and I do like their Primarchs alot, I still think Dorn is perhaps my favourite. Dorn's portrayal is perhaps the most succesful - he has many qualities that make him very human and easier to relate to, but this is done without tarnishing his stature as a superhuman Primarch. Loyal to the Emperor, loyal to his brothers and always merciless against his enemies.

 

Also wearing yellow does make you more of a man. :P

[Marshal Wilhelm]

you just michael moored my post...

 

WLK

 

I had to look that up, as I am not familiar with the term. This is what I found.... :sweat:

 

To mike moore; to make awesomer and better accurate, in the context that would mean I turned your post of marble into The David.

You can call me Mike as in Michelangelo, for free. ;)

 

 

you just michael moored my post...

 

WLK

 

Shazam.

 

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I'm a Blood Angels freak, always have been, always will be. Buuut~ none too keen on Sanguinius. Yeah, he's cool and I do like him but my favourite? That slot goes to the Big D. Dorn gets all my Primarchy flufflove.

Why?

Mainly because I really like the way he was portrayed. A grizzled veteran, wiser than his younger brothers and a stone cold killer. He didn't do what he did because he enjoyed it and rarely put himself before any task appointed to him. He did it because it was his duty and that's a man I can respect.

Plus, it takes a real man to wear bright yellow.

And anyone counters with the '' It takes a real man to wear pink, I.E Fulgrim', then I say this.

It takes a weak man, devoid of any willpower and struck through with vanity and corruption to wear pink! :P

Yeah, can you tell Fulgrims my least favourite Primarch?

 

I like Dorn. But I do have some frustration with GW writers.

Pre-Heresy; Dorn is awesome. Top 5 for achievements (along with Horus, the Lion, Russ and Guilliman for martial prowess).

The Emperor comes up with 'the plan' and returns to Terra. Dorn is chosen because of a degree of awesome and the prowess of being equal 1st - best siege master (with Perturabo)

Sweet, everything makes you like this guy (IMO at least)

 

Turbs smashes some baddies and everyone is saying what a jolly good fellow he is, 3 cheers, hip hip hurray!

Fulgrim asks Dorn 'could even Terra withstand Turbs?'

What does honest Dorn say (as in, the guy who would not lie even for his own gain)?

'No'

 

Dorn, with the prowess of being equal 1st - best siege master, builds upon the already formidable defences at Terra.

 

Siege of Terra. 3 Legions in a castle get bashed by 5 Legions with daemons.

How many times in history have, say, 3000 men in a castle been beaten by 5000 + 4000 men?

In 55 + 14 days?

Castles are fairly impossible to take, which is why people get starved out instead.

Dorn looks like a fool for his earlier statement.

I thought Dorn was intelligent and not boastful like Russ or even like Horus?

The Iron Cage. According to IA IF, it all goes fairly well. IA IW shows Dorn and the IF getting flogged by Turbs' men and bailed out by Guilliman.

I thought Dorn was astute? He looks like a short-sighted hopeful.

IA IW shows that Dorn wants some 2,500ish guys killed in TIC.

Because he didn't want more than 1 chapter. But what was he going to do with the genetic material of the 2,500 dead? - he would still have all the raw materials to make 2-3 new chapters with. :wacko:

Even if that is his choice (which seems very poorly written to me) it seems Dorn forgets that he will be making 2,500 neophytes after TIC. This is not mentioned in IA IF, at all....

Dorn can't add and subtract? Really?!

Then without explanation in the piece, Dorn, who wanted 2,500 marines dead, changes his mind when Guilliman rescues him. I thought Dorn had made up his mind for 2,500 to be killed (which is a monumentous decision, I think you'll agree) and then changes his mind (which isn't even written about!).

Dorn then looks like a bit of a flip-flop guy.

The wind blows this way, Dorn goes this way, the wind blows that way, Dorn blows that way. :ermm:

Dorn then takes 20 years to get over his flogging and 'grasp' the Codex. I thought Primarchs were more intelligent than Marines?

Dorn gets shown up by Sigismund and Alexis Pollux (Chapter masters of the BT and CF) who get into the action straight away. :P

 

*I have proposed that the IF Legion was broken down into IF, CF and BT chapters BEFORE TIC. Dorn goes in with IF chapter plus extras who don't want to be in another chapter. He will let "the spares" die.

Part of the reason for this is A] why would Dorn kill 2,500 men and not just form 2-3 chapters with them? B] Post TIC, the CF and BT chapters are in the action straight away. IF chapter is out of action for 20 years. The only way that can be explained is if CF and BT were never there, otherwise they too should have been just as traumatised and unable to grasp the Codex as those who formed the IF chapter, yes?

 

So Dorn goes from amazing to shabby, at best, over the Heresy period, and then becomes okay after the 20 years.

 

The writing GW has done for him is up and down, and doesn't validate itself. Boo!

He is proposed to be great and then when we get into the nitty-gritty of it, GW contradicts itself and doesn't is inconsistent and leaves holes, even in the same piece, let alone two separate pieces!

 

Dorn gets stooged. :(

[Monstra Sumus]

To be fair though, GW contradicts itself in every single thing they write, it seems that almost as soon as they publish IP it becomes redundant because someone else is re-working it near instantly.

 

Yeah, the writings up and down and he may have made some mistakes but I have to pick at your comment on the castles being impossible to take.

 

Yup, seige weaponry is a big factor, it can make or break a war, alot of the time proving in effective if the castle has been built upon the right foundations.

 

But, they were assaulting the Emperors castle with Titans, Plasma weaponry, Lascannons, Missiles, Melta's, Stormbird flyby's, Terminators, Land Raiders, Fell Blades, Millions of millions of men and thousands upon thousands of Astartes, plus orbital support and the like.

 

Cut the man some slack! :D

[Legatus]

The immediate aftermath of the heresy was perhaps not Dorns best time, as he let the events of the heresy get to him. I guess that is one of those elements that makes him more human. He was made of win before and after that short period of time of grief.

[Donkey Kong]

Like many others, I think Rogal Dorn was the coolest Primarch, and despite what I think may be the best intentions of the above post, I can't help but disagree.

 

Dorn looks like a fool for his earlier statement. I thought Dorn was intelligent and not boastful like Russ or even like Horus?

 

The Imperial Palace never fell ;) . Perturabo's hissy over whether or not his legion could break anything Dorn built is besides the point, and there to show that Perturabo is about as mentally mature as a six year old when it comes to his pride. The issue with castles is also irrelevant because castles are castles and the Imperial Palace encompasses Europe. Resources aren't an issue on Terra, the defenders starving was probably the least of their worries.

 

The Iron Cage brings up debate any way you look at it.

In the end, Dorn was forced to split his legion into: The Imperial Fists, the Black Templars and the Crimson Fists; Perturabo ascended to daemonhood; The Imperial Fists were taken out of the fight for several decades.

 

Dorn had two goals, capturing Perturabo and cleansing the zealots from his legion (those who didn't want to divide into the Chapters), letting them go out in a blaze of glory. It can also be seen as him wanting to take his legion down a notch so that the Imperial Fists didn't have to split into chapters, similarly to the Salamanders, Iron Hands and Raven Guard following the Drop Site Massacre.

Most Dorn supporters feel that the latter was his primary goal and the former was either a cover up or a nice cherry on top.

The Imperial Fists were hardly a small legion, The Siege of Terra and The Iron Cage still left them with enough for three chapters.

Gulliman's involvement in The Iron Cage was, or at least I interpret it as, him dragging Dorn kicking and screaming from the battlefield, saving his "legion" from basically wiping itself out.

 

You forget another important thing about Dorn was that his loyalty was to the Emperor and the Imperium. When Guilliman took command and demanded that the legions be divided, Dorn, with the support of Russ and I think Vulkan, opposed it. Gulliman fired on the Phalanx. Dorn was able to swallow his pride, and submit to Gulliman for the greater good of the Imperium and save it from a second civil war.

 

The Imperial Fist Successors are divided as such:

The Imperial Fists: venerable members of the Legion

The Black Templars: zealots, probably those intended to be wiped out in The Iron Cage

The Crimson Fists: literally the newest members of the Chapter who weren't as zealous as the Templars nor as stuck to the title of the legion

*CONTROVERSY*

The Soul Drinkers: ship . . . boarding . . . specialists . . . yeah B)

 

The reason as to why the Imperial Fists probably took a hit and the successors could go on, the veterans and the zealots were almost intertwined, and Gulliman most likely wouldn't be particularly fond of any of the Chapters being understrength. The Black Templars were eager for blood, and it's unsurprising that many of them sped off to kill traitors and continue the great crusade (all the while thumbing their noses at the codex and Gulliman, probably Dorn's plan when Gulliman took him away from The Iron Cage, but that's just my speculation).

 

But what was he going to do with the genetic material of the 2,500 dead?

 

He doesn't need to use it all. Storage is a brilliant thing, and without a doubt for the Space Marines, having genetic material to spare in the event of a defeat or a strike attack where bodies cannot be reclaimed are a real asset, providing they even expected to take that much back from the battle providing Dorn really did want to go out in a blaze of glory.

 

Dorn was loyal to the core, to the Imperium and the Emperor. He's far from dim and even farther from dull.

[Marshal Wilhelm]

To be fair though, GW contradicts itself in every single thing they write, it seems that almost as soon as they publish IP it becomes redundant because someone else is re-working it near instantly.

 

Yeah, the writings up and down and he may have made some mistakes but I have to pick at your comment on the castles being impossible to take.

 

Yup, seige weaponry is a big factor, it can make or break a war, alot of the time proving in effective if the castle has been built upon the right foundations.

 

But, they were assaulting the Emperors castle with Titans, Plasma weaponry, Lascannons, Missiles, Melta's, Stormbird flyby's, Terminators, Land Raiders, Fell Blades, Millions of millions of men and thousands upon thousands of Astartes, plus orbital support and the like.

 

Cut the man some slack! :P

 

Yes, I do see your point BUT

 

When tec-levels are the same, these advantages cancel one another out.

 

So to my mind, it cancels out until you have 3 + Castle versus 5 + Daemons. ;)

 

~ I don't want excuses, I want results! B) :lol:

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

you just michael moored my post...

 

WLK

 

I had to look that up, as I am not familiar with the term. This is what I found.... B)

 

To mike moore; to make awesomer and better accurate, in the context that would mean I turned your post of marble into The David.

You can call me Mike as in Michelangelo, for free. ;)

 

 

since this is the next, and sarcasm might be mistaken for other things, michael moored refers to the...sketchy method of documentarys performed by michael moore. (he is infamous for "doctoring" his interviews to get whatever message he wants across, or to make a highly educated specialist look foolish if he happens to disagree with mr. moore)

 

WLK

[Xavier Targhost]

Hehe.. nice to see all of this.. :P

My Favorit must be Dorn.. He is the nobel warlord and great defender of humanity!

Second.. Sanguinius Love the blood angels ( though im a bitt afraid for the new codex..) but he did die for the Empiror and humanity, without him the Emperor would have died... sins his death did the realisaiting headslap to the Empiror that Horus where evil beond... :lol:

Third.. Horus! He where the greatest and best! and sadly the enormus fal to the dark side by the curesed Word bearers... Hate them.... and love them in the same time... :S....

 

Least favorit Guilliman the "im Best and perfect one Primarch... :lol: dont like him sadly... nor the arrogant Lion.. or sealus Lorgar.. though id love to know abitt more about him as i like the Legion..

Corax and Khan is a "?" arent that fond of them..

 

And i like the following ones.. Night Haunter.. Russ.. Alpharius & Omegon...Angron.. And the tradgic heroe Magnus for all his good intentions and loyalties he got his a** handed to him by bloody Russ... Horus fault though... :P

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

To be fair though, GW contradicts itself in every single thing they write, it seems that almost as soon as they publish IP it becomes redundant because someone else is re-working it near instantly.

 

 

Seconded.

 

If you need proof you are either blind or your new to this forum.

[Deus Lox]

In response to the original topic, my favorite Primarch is Roboute Guilliman. Yeah, the Ultramarines are a wee bit unpopular, but I like them. Guilliman was an excellent general, who not only conquered worlds at a very good pace, very often left them in better condition than when he found them. In addition, he was able to grow his legion to a massive size, which speaks well for his tactics and strategy. In other words, he was able to keep his marines alive. Most of the other legions, correct me if I speak in error, remained at about 10,000 or so marines during the Great Crusade, on average. The Ultramarines Legion outnumbered them by about 2.5 to 1.

Guilliman was not only the consummate general, but was also an excellent statesman. He was able to keep a group of worlds stable and prosperous, as well as the worlds he added to the Imperium being very well cared for. Instead of leaving burned out husks, like the Wolves of Fenris, or Angron's Eater's of Worlds (No offense intended to either party), he left behind idyllic worlds, with excellently planned cities as the crowning jewel on a planet of verdant greenery.