Pulse Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 Yeh your right, the Custodies did leave Terra on assignments and were attached to Imperial Forces if needed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/2/#findComment-2225400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypher6 Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 I think this book will be adding another arc to the Prospero incident personally. As we all know the Custodes accompanied Russ & Sisters to Prospero. Prospero was technically a 'tragedy' between 'father & son' (emp & Magnus) as Magus had no intention of becoming a heretic, this we also know. Both the covers of A Thousand Sons & Prospero Burns are bereft of any Custodes...this seemed abit at odds with the Prospero...cover seeing as they played such a seminal part alongside Russ in the razing of Prospero. Also If you look closely to the artwork on the front cover of 'the first heretic' after the 'y' of The horus heresy, there's what appears to be the top end of a pyramid-like structure...and prospero was full of 'em. I think this will be about the clash between the Custodes & The Thousand Sons. Nothing at all to do with the Word Bearers. There's my 2p's worth :devil: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/2/#findComment-2230094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypher6 Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 I also think that just because the title is 'The First Heretic', it does not mean it's a generic 'first heretic', it may be 'the-first-heretic-within-the-thousand-sons'. :devil: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/2/#findComment-2230101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
castellan malberg Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 wouldnt the custodes have accompanied the emperor while he was still leading the crusade personally? on another note, i just read AD-B's cadian book and thought it was one of the better ones written in awhile. hopefully he'll be as adept at writing marines as he was with the characters in this novel. the (small) parts he wrote for Typhon and the other plague marines were certainly the best that ive read outside of a few short stories that i cant name at the moment so i have hope Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/2/#findComment-2230413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Lysander Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 The blog was funny :eek. Will look forward to this new addition to the series! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/2/#findComment-2230811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 His short story at the end of the Heroes of the Space Marines anthology, One Hate, was probably one of the best in the book. GW have unearthed a star here. As for this book and the 'pyramid structure' Isn't the inner sanctum of the palace shaped like a pyramid? I reckon Sor Talgrons Word Bearers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/2/#findComment-2233201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 I go back on my earlier comment. It can't be Terra because wherever it is has a very odd sky-two nearby moons and a planet. I.e, not Earth. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/2/#findComment-2233202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Lysander Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 Yes, I quite liked 'One Hate'- probably one of my favourite, along with 'Honour amongst Fiends' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/2/#findComment-2236372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Mechanicum Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Its supposed to be Word Bearers as they had the first Possessed out of all the legions. Also, Thousand Sons didn't start mutating with possessed until AFTER the heresy when they made the Planet of Sorcerors, its mentioned in the Index Astartes article about them. From Index Astartes, Thousand Sons: "The Thousand Sons had nearly been destroyed by the threat of uncontrolled mutation in their earliest days before their reunion with their Primarch. Even teh salvation presented by Magnus's instruction was imperfect, requiring constant and vigilant oversight. the terror of it never left some of the Legion's most veteran members, and the rampant corruption they beheld amongst other Traitor Legions as the Heresy ran its course appalled them. They dedicated themselves exclusively to their new master, and for a time Tzeentch seemd to shield them from a similar fate. Even when teh Heresy ultimately failed, and the Thousand Sons were forced to fall back to the Eye of Terror with their comrades in rebellion, Tzeenthch's favor seemed unilateral. Their patron god provided a new planet, rich in magical power for them, a haven from the madness within the Eye for them to continue their research. But the way of the Master of Sorcery is capricious, and no sooner were the Thousand Sons ensconced upon their new home world than the Changer of the Ways began to alter them." Yea, long post sorry about that, wanted full quote. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/2/#findComment-2294991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific81 Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 You need to read A Thousand Sons, Dark Mechanicum. That is all I will say :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/2/#findComment-2296589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verythrax Draconis Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 No it wasn't in False Gods where they changed the armor color - I just finished reading it :huh: And Custodes don't leave the palace/Emperor/Terra NOW. They used to do a lot o missions in his name, act as emissaries carrying his will to the crusade fleets, etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/2/#findComment-2296637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Mechanicum Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Word Bearers changed armor color right after Istvanian V as mentioned in Battle for the Abyss. The Thousands sons didn't start mutating till after the Heresy. reading A Thousand Sons now, and have read Mechanicum...MANY TIMES. So love the pun you did. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/2/#findComment-2297452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardus Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 Was he not the First Chaplain of the Word Bearers as mentioned in one of the fisrt HH novels? (his name escapes me) He stole the chaos dagger from a planet museum while Horus was visiting and the place went crazy. Ardus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/2/#findComment-2299242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 Was he not the First Chaplain of the Word Bearers as mentioned in one of the fisrt HH novels? (his name escapes me) He stole the chaos dagger from a planet museum while Horus was visiting and the place went crazy. Ardus Do you mean the First Heretic, becuase if so, no. Erebus was the fixer for Lorgar, in that he was entrusted to engineer the event of Horus's fall. The entire legion had already turned to the Dark Gods by this point. I believe that the man who suggested the idea of worshipping the Dark Gods to Lorgar was the Black Cardinal Kor Phaeron, although whether or not he was the first heretic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/2/#findComment-2299604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazakelXIII Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 "Kor Phaeron of Colchis had been the first to cast doubt on the Emperor and his motives. If the Emperor would not accept their worship, there were others who would, he argued. It was First-Chaplain Erebus who first uttered the names of the ruinous powers. Were these not the true Gods of Colchis, to whom they had sworn fealty before the false-god Emperor had tricked Lorgar with a false vision?" It's all Erebus' fault. Really hoping this book is about him, I love the devious scumbag. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/2/#findComment-2299663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 "Kor Phaeron of Colchis had been the first to cast doubt on the Emperor and his motives. If the Emperor would not accept their worship, there were others who would, he argued. It was First-Chaplain Erebus who first uttered the names of the ruinous powers. Were these not the true Gods of Colchis, to whom they had sworn fealty before the false-god Emperor had tricked Lorgar with a false vision?" It's all Erebus' fault. Really hoping this book is about him, I love the devious scumbag. How the hell did I miss that?!? :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/2/#findComment-2299787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
randian Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 If this book is about Erebus, then who is on the cover of The First Heretic? Read the description of Erebus in Dark Creed. He clearly has no visible physical mutations, nor is he mentioned as being possessed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/2/#findComment-2301886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 If this book is about Erebus, then who is on the cover of The First Heretic? Read the description of Erebus in Dark Creed. He clearly has no visible physical mutations, nor is he mentioned as being possessed. If Horus Rising is about Loken, then who is on the front? Loken has blond hair, grey eyes, no serious facial scarring and a chainsword, whilst that marine has a dark brown hair, a power sword and a lot of scars. If Mechanicum is about Adept Koriel Zeth, then why is there a male Adeptus on the front, armed with a gatling gun, which Zeth does not have? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/2/#findComment-2302035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verythrax Draconis Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 In Tales of Heresy, there's a short that tells who is the guy that makes Lorgar's mind against the Emperor. I don't remember if it was Erebus or Phaeron. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/2/#findComment-2302085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Mechanicum Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 Its a story about one of captains in the Word Bearers not the person who led Lorgar to chaos. It says that only First Chaplain Erebus and First Captain Kor Phaeron were allowed within the Urizen's presence. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/2/#findComment-2302201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anvilarium Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Is that a Custode, or perhaps a fledgling Grey Knight? 'cause that looks an awful lot like a nemesis weapon in his hand... Its a Custodian. They carried Halberds that were very similar to the Nemesis Force Halberd, except they had a bolter in the tip. See Horus Heresy: Collected Visions for details. Also, the Grey Knights were not founded until after the Heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/2/#findComment-2303857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Worms Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 Those bolters stuck on the halberds look dumb. The concept artists should have done a better job designing something else back in Collected Visions. Now they`re stuck with it. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/2/#findComment-2309923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Mechanicum Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 It sucks but who knows, maybe it will be better in the future. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/2/#findComment-2311428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProtoClone Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 It might very well be about the WB but I would like to propose an idea of what that could be: It is about Erebus and one of the two missing legions. The emperor has one of the legions destroyed due to genetic instability, like 1k Sons. But unlike the 1k Sons, the Primarch was not found in time to attempt to save them. Erebus always felt the Emperor could have done more to save the legion and when Magnus is found and he saves his legion, it only supports Erebus thoughts more. The color of the armor on the cover is of one of the 2 legions and Erebus convinces Lorgar to change their colors to that of the legion that inspired him to turn to chaos and as a way to further thumb their nose to the Emperor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/2/#findComment-2312141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Mechanicum Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 I dont think they are going to allow that at all. It would do alot of damage in making one of the missing legions tangible. Having nothing known about them it is mysterious and more interesting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/2/#findComment-2312352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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