A D-B Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 It might very well be about the WB... If it's not about the Word Bearers, I need to rewrite over half a novel very, very fast. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/3/#findComment-2312397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 It might very well be about the WB... If it's not about the Word Bearers, I need to rewrite over half a novel very, very fast. Well, if it's specifically about the First Heretic, it has to be Erebus... As in other novels he grates about finding 'enlightenment' before Lorgar and Kor-Phaeron. By the way, ADB.. As potentially one of the few B&C members who still buys WD (at least in the UK) congrats on the pic in the March issue :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/3/#findComment-2312792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProtoClone Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 It might very well be about the WB... If it's not about the Word Bearers, I need to rewrite over half a novel very, very fast. Woot, I was right. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/3/#findComment-2312966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Worms Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 It might very well be about the WB... If it's not about the Word Bearers, I need to rewrite over half a novel very, very fast. Well, get cracking. Slacker. :) :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/3/#findComment-2313559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Mechanicum Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Holy crap, I need to revist my theories now. Dammit, I hate being tired and reading something wrong. WOOT its about the Word Bearers...somebody put me out of my misery when failing to read. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/3/#findComment-2314611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cing C0br Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 I'm glad its about the WB. I like the idea of them being fanatical crazed religious Marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/3/#findComment-2314719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodanshi Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 Well… The Black Library website is back up and in full flow! It has this to say about the book: “Amidst the galaxy-wide war of the Great Crusade, the Emperor castigates the Word Bearers for their worship. Distraught at this judgement, Lorgar and his Legion seek another path while devastating world after world, venting their fury and fervour on the battlefield. Their search for a new purpose leads them to the edge of the material universe, where they meet ancient forces far more powerful than they could have imagined. Having set out to illuminate the Imperium, the corruption of Chaos takes hold and their path to damnation begins. Unbeknownst to the Word Bearers, their quest for truth contains the very roots of heresy…” Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/3/#findComment-2320395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 Well… The Black Library website is back up and in full flow! It has this to say about the book: “Amidst the galaxy-wide war of the Great Crusade, the Emperor castigates the Word Bearers for their worship. Distraught at this judgement, Lorgar and his Legion seek another path while devastating world after world, venting their fury and fervour on the battlefield. Their search for a new purpose leads them to the edge of the material universe, where they meet ancient forces far more powerful than they could have imagined. Having set out to illuminate the Imperium, the corruption of Chaos takes hold and their path to damnation begins. Unbeknownst to the Word Bearers, their quest for truth contains the very roots of heresy…” Sounds about right. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/3/#findComment-2320421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Mechanicum Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 Hmmm, I wonder if the Warmonger from the WB series shall make an appearence as he is said to have been a captain during the Heresy. Could be interesting to see who he is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/3/#findComment-2320977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Worms Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 Hmmm, I wonder if the Warmonger from the WB series shall make an appearence as he is said to have been a captain during the Heresy. Could be interesting to see who he is. Good call. That might be neat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/3/#findComment-2320984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 Cpt JJ, I think A D-B might get final say in just who the first heretic was :D . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/3/#findComment-2321226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 Word Bearers? *sigh* But they're icky! Hehe. One of my least favorite legions, if not topping it off. However, having read Soul Hunter...a good author can do wonders for anything, so I'll be gladly pre-ordering it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/3/#findComment-2321566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Mechanicum Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 I'm I just pray to whatever is out there that we dont have twirling mustache villans in the Word Bearers. I would love to see them go from the MOST loyal to the MOST disloyal. Without the theatrics and not what Battle for the Abyss did to them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/3/#findComment-2321721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dràyhèn Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 I think Reynolds got them quite well. If you've read only Battle for the Abyss, then I suggest that you should read those WB novels by Reynolds. The trilogy is quite good, at least by my standards. Of course there's a little bit yet to improve, but all in all I think he did them justice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/3/#findComment-2322631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Mechanicum Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Oh, I've read the WB series, they are epic in that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/3/#findComment-2323132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 Cestus kicked down the door to Zadkiel's command bridge. Hundreds of acolytes and heretics scurried away as he unleashed bolt pistol and power sword into their ranks. A huge marine (his nameplate identified him as a Sergeant Klebb) in flanged armour kicked out at him with a blade attached to the toe of his boot, but Cestus sidestepped, stabbing his power gladius up through the heretic's gorget, and kicking him down. Hacking apart more crazed Word Bearers, he reached the command throne, which swivelled away from the giant glass viewport, Macragge visible in the background. A figure, seated, clad in ornate red artificer armour and stroking a purring white feline turned to face him. The captain had a scar across his bald head, and his face twisted into a sneer: "Ah, Captain Cestus," began Lord-Admiral Zadkiel, "I've been expecting you." Cestus looked at the heretic captain. "Do you expect me to turn?" he asked of the Word Bearer. "No, Captain Cestus!" laughed the Word Bearer, in his broad Eastern European accent. "I expect you to die!" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/3/#findComment-2324559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted May 12, 2010 Share Posted May 12, 2010 I thought you guys might appreciate this!!! ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/3/#findComment-2397743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted May 12, 2010 Share Posted May 12, 2010 I thought you guys might appreciate this!!! ;) Very good. Guilliman comes across very well, and Lorgar comes across just as he should. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/3/#findComment-2397760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee265 Posted May 12, 2010 Share Posted May 12, 2010 Being honest Logar seems like a whiny 14 year old. that said I might be wrong and maybe the book will be good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/3/#findComment-2397822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted May 12, 2010 Share Posted May 12, 2010 I thought you guys might appreciate this!!! :huh: Very good. Guilliman comes across very well, and Lorgar comes across just as he should. Thanks. There's a risk (especially with a significant chunk of the readership being quite young, or simply looking for badass bolter porn) that any emotion along the lines of confusion, melancholy or bitterness is automatically considered shallow and whiny. So Lorgar is likely going to divide people along the lines of whether or not he comes across as a compelling, inhuman and behaviourally fey being who is seeking his role in the universe, or someone who "complains and isn't as badass as the other primarchs". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/3/#findComment-2398030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The emperors chosen Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 I thought you guys might appreciate this!!! :teehee: Very good. Guilliman comes across very well, and Lorgar comes across just as he should. Thanks. There's a risk (especially with a significant chunk of the readership being quite young, or simply looking for badass bolter porn) that any emotion along the lines of confusion, melancholy or bitterness is automatically considered shallow and whiny. So Lorgar is likely going to divide people along the lines of whether or not he comes across as a compelling, inhuman and behaviourally fey being who is seeking his role in the universe, or someone who "complains and isn't as badass as the other primarchs". Well when you think about it, Lorgar isn't the completely badass primarch, he's the public speaker, the one who sways people with faith. He doesn't have the power of Russ, or the tactics of Dorn, and when you take what Lorgar has away, you see him as confused/bitter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/3/#findComment-2398087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 I thought you guys might appreciate this!!! :) Very good. Guilliman comes across very well, and Lorgar comes across just as he should. Thanks. There's a risk (especially with a significant chunk of the readership being quite young, or simply looking for badass bolter porn) that any emotion along the lines of confusion, melancholy or bitterness is automatically considered shallow and whiny. So Lorgar is likely going to divide people along the lines of whether or not he comes across as a compelling, inhuman and behaviourally fey being who is seeking his role in the universe, or someone who "complains and isn't as badass as the other primarchs". Yes, but on the other hand, with that passage you are making me like Guilliman! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/3/#findComment-2398229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 I thought you guys might appreciate this!!! :P Very good. Guilliman comes across very well, and Lorgar comes across just as he should. Thanks. There's a risk (especially with a significant chunk of the readership being quite young, or simply looking for badass bolter porn) that any emotion along the lines of confusion, melancholy or bitterness is automatically considered shallow and whiny. So Lorgar is likely going to divide people along the lines of whether or not he comes across as a compelling, inhuman and behaviourally fey being who is seeking his role in the universe, or someone who "complains and isn't as badass as the other primarchs". +10 to that statement. I get so fed up of people complaining that Elim Rawne from the Gaunt's Ghosts series is just an 'emo'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/3/#findComment-2398350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 I get so fed up of people complaining that Elim Rawne from the Gaunt's Ghosts series is just an 'emo'. That's because anyone who complains, no matter their reason for complaining, is automatically an 'emo'. What annoys me more is the endless complaints of Lorgar being whiny just because he didn't just shrug off the fact that he litteraly had his world collapse around him. And having read the extract, I can say that I love A D-B's portrayal of Lorgar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/3/#findComment-2398373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 I get so fed up of people complaining that Elim Rawne from the Gaunt's Ghosts series is just an 'emo'. That's because anyone who complains, no matter their reason for complaining, is automatically an 'emo'. What annoys me more is the endless complaints of Lorgar being whiny just because he didn't just shrug off the fact that he litteraly had his world collapse around him. And having read the extract, I can say that I love A D-B's portrayal of Lorgar. The first draft was less successful. "The last hundred years of your life have been a lie, you lead the only Legion ever to fail me, and you are the only son to disappoint me. Go back and restart over a century of work over dozens of planets. By the way, you're the only primarch who is totally wrong about everything they believe in. Even the ones who were raised in the wilderness, pretend to be animals, or are clinically insane - those guys are actually righter than you are. I know you actually made your world a place of peace and enlightenment through religion, and even Angron couldn't bring his own homeworld to compliance, but he's still better and less of a failure than you. And I know I've been okay with your work for the last 100 years, but I've changed my mind suddenly, and felt the need to humiliate you about it. Hey, I brought Robby G. You like Robby G, right? You two should be close. He's a total success, and you're a complete failure. Opposites attract, yeah? Anyway, here's your brother." "Hi, Lorgar," said Guilliman. "I'm here to show you how to live your life because you apparently can't do it without a babysitter." Lorgar was already reaching for the phone. "Are you calling Chaos?" The Emperor frowned. "Don't be calling Chaos, Lorgar. Long-distance charges, man." But Lorgar wouldn't listen. "Hello?" he asked. "Is that Chaos?" "AAAARRGHRHGGHGGHGH. EVERY MOMENT IS WRATH AND AGONY." "Khorne? Is that you?" "BLOOD FOR THE... FOR ME." "That's tremendous. Can you put Tzeentch on?" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185722-new-hh-novel-in-the-pipeline-the-first-heretic/page/3/#findComment-2398479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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