All Terminator Space Wolf Guard

[Terminatorinhell]

Well the faces are actually good, i mean considering the tiny tiny scale it is hard as heck to make a decent looking face unless you are a complete pro, and I would imagine some sculptors who can make good female faces may do 3 ups and then scale the mini down. Kid did a pretty good job but I may like non howling mouths better as they would be a bit easier to pull off correctly but then that would ruin the point of WOLF guard lol. :) Keep up the good work Kid!

[Kid Famous The Punch]

Respect to the OP for the effort and time invested in his creations, but I personally find those models demeaning to women. It's pretty much the teenage female warrior in bikini-chainmail fantasy. "A character can't be female unless she's baring he breasts."

 

Like Guillotine said, female Guardians are still fully armoured and fit right in with the other Guardians. Well, no one is going to stop you, especially when you've already done a couple of conversions, but I personally would refuse to play against anyone who'd field them. Why not look at the Sisters of Battle and try to emulate them a little more?

 

I'm just sharing my thoughts, hopefully this is not seen as an insult but simply a different point of view and possibly the kind of reaction that he'd get when playing this army.

 

Cheers!

 

Edit: Fixed typos.

 

 

Sexism is an odd concept. Especially in a miniatures game that's played by an overwhelming male majority about an overwhelming male majority. I understand that the "Anatomy" of these figures may be striking and in places incorrect. But these models were intended to be comical to a degree. A large degree in fact.

And Fire Lord is right, If I wanted to make a "realistic (realistic in a space fantasy fiction game) lady terminator" army I would have just used regular terminator models and called it a day. But, What is the challenge in that? If you really have to imagine their armor as a cross section.

 

But as I said at the beginning of the thread. I'm not trying to make an army the fits flawlessly with the fluff (I mean don't space wolves already not wear helmets? That's got to be pretty dangerous for their faces). In the books there are no female marines. Agreed. I can't argue with what books say.

But then again they don't say that I can't make my own models however I want.

 

Oh and as far as sisters of battle and emulating them goes. You might want to check out this link.

 

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...amp;pid=2182600

Because I already hand sculpted my own multipart sisters kit, and I was trying to bide my time until my caster made them up.

So I'm not sure why I would want to make an entirely new army that was just like my sisters again.

 

This whole thing was pretty funny at first. But I'm going to be continuing with my project as is until it's done.

And if everyone got THIS upset over a tiny piece of plastic I made you better hope I don't make anything bigger than 28mm. :)

[Fire Lord Captain]

Did she make kissy faces when facing when facing her enemies? :)

I'd say that this is the real problem, ignoring the whole "female space marines" issue that some can't get past. It's not done in a tasteful or thoughtful manner that supports the claims of being inspired from XYZ.

 

If you actually read what he put in his post when he put the picture up, she is actually modelled to be howling.

[Kid Famous The Punch]

Did she make kissy faces when facing when facing her enemies? :)

I'd say that this is the real problem, ignoring the whole "female space marines" issue that some can't get past. It's not done in a tasteful or thoughtful manner that supports the claims of being inspired from XYZ.

 

 

As far as inspiration goes...well warhammer 40k's unique visual style inspires me. As well as things like this.

 

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:H__am5B..._c65eb5ef65.jpg

 

http://thelegalbroadcastnetwork.squarespac...age/mad-max.jpg

 

http://www.wargamersheadquarters.com/image...=P&id=81899

[Arkeanixii]

i think the Mini's are great you seem to be good at the green stuff

and i think they could be 13th company if you wanted too

the 13th company would be looking for marines from where ever they could find them, a female colony loyal to the emperor, would be a good way to intergrate them

 

they helped the marines on a variaty of missions and had proved their worth so the rune Priest made them marines

[Terminatorinhell]

hey what is that last model ya posted?

[Dan The Deamon]

I think the models are outstanding, the painting matches well, and the entire theme is incredible. You've jumped out of a comfort zone that so many are stuck in and decided to start something essentially unheard of. You're mixing genetically enhanced super warriors in Tactical Dreadnaught Armor with unarmored amazonian wild girls. You've taken two themes that are polar opposites blended them into something different.

 

The lack of armor may not be practical, but if you did it any other way they would never have looked as good.

 

Want some legal fluff justification?

A death world inhabited by feral amazonians found an STC for terminator armor and an abandoned Adeptus Mechanicus factory. In it's damaged state and with limited resources the STC is only able to produce enough armor for scarce protection. However it is enough :)

 

The hobby is about imagination. The painting, modeling, and gaming can all be traced towards it.

[ephrael]

I think the models are outstanding, the painting matches well, and the entire theme is incredible. You've jumped out of a comfort zone that so many are stuck in and decided to start something essentially unheard of. You're mixing genetically enhanced super warriors in Tactical Dreadnaught Armor with unarmored amazonian wild girls. You've taken two themes that are polar opposites blended them into something different.

 

The lack of armor may not be practical, but if you did it any other way they would never have looked as good.

 

Want some legal fluff justification?

A death world inhabited by feral amazonians found an STC for terminator armor and an abandoned Adeptus Mechanicus factory. In it's damaged state and with limited resources the STC is only able to produce enough armor for scarce protection. However it is enough :)

 

The hobby is about imagination. The painting, modeling, and gaming can all be traced towards it.

 

 

I wholeheartedly agree with every word Dan the Deamon posted. I am also glad to see this topic back on track. Keep going you are doing an impressive job here.

[Kenmichi]

Boo, all my posts were lost in the excommunication.

 

But the jist of my posts said that I felt your models, while possessing some decent sculpting skill, lack sense of an armored warrior. For scantily clad warriors I would recommend picking different erogenous zones to show off. Common areas to expose that don't come off as blatantly sexual are the stomach/belly button region, either the small of the back or the upper back with the shoulders, and the back of the thighs or calves. A combination of a couple of these would probably be a less sexual, more sensual, and a more appropriate armor setup.

 

While I like the out of the box ideas and the japanese anime influence you should take into account that wearers of Terminator Armor are meant to take hits while throwing hits back, that's why there is little room for them to take transports, cannot mount up on bikes, and definitely can't take jump packs. If you're looking for a unit that you can armor like that then you should stick with power armor, power armor allows for quicker mobility so while they may have thin armor plates on their legs the lost armor on their body can be supplemented by their quicker reflexes. I myself am taking a route similar to this with my DIY army based on Feudal Japan Samurai.

[Derka Derka]

Ignoring sexism, ignoring the ridiculous nature of human-sized people lugging around two tons of ceramite without powered parts(perhaps attaching a frame to the back attached to the legs and torso area, like some IG models have, to give the idea of all the parts being connected and powered by the same source), ignoring the particular PLACEMENT of armor and lack thereof, and ignoring practicality, you could very, very easily make them look less ridiculous by some people's standards by simply shrinking the size of the badonkadonk and ludicrously huge breasts. Google "african tribal women" with safesearch off(nothing worse than you'd see in a national geographic as far as I saw), you'll get an idea of how "grown in the wild" physiques are. The ones you have are more than most porn stars lug around.

 

Amazon warrior women is a staple of the fantasy genre, it's obviously not going anywhere soon. However, the ones you've posted, while very nicely sculpted, are too cartoonish in nature, like something Tex Avery would draw but on steroids. Try scaling down in certain areas(butt, boobs) from the Q range down to maybe a C cup. These would be less demeaning, and I GUARANTEE they would make you look much more mature and much less creepy than having the current proportions. Maybe put some ceremonial chainmail to cover the boobs and such more than the metal fig leaves that are on them now. ;)

 

Just my two cents, as a female gamer(YES we do exist!).

[Emperor's Scourge]

Or you guys could stop sexualizing the models to a greater degree than the OP by constantly bringing it up...

 

He made some models. He showed them off. I don't think he cares too much about changing them to fit into your senses of propriety.

[Derka Derka]

Or you guys could stop sexualizing the models to a greater degree than the OP by constantly bringing it up...

 

He made some models. He showed them off. I don't think he cares too much about changing them to fit into your senses of propriety.

When they are so prominent and exaggerated, it is hard to NOT view them as very sexualized. I was giving him advice on how to keep the image while not making it quite so ridiculous, that is called constructive criticism. Perhaps you should stop white knighting long enough to understand that I was trying to offer advice. If he does not want advice, then he can say so, and I will stop offering help. Was I being insulting? Was I saying they were bad and terrible and ugly and the OP is a creep or whatever like apparently what happened earlier and was cleaned up? I feel I reigned myself in quite well considering the things I COULD have said(you might say I bit my tongue so hard it fell off).

 

He has promise as a sculptor. I want to steer him in the right direction.

[Dan The Deamon]

I think the proportions are perfect. I'm not justifying my argument off what's considered 'hot or not' either. Keep in mind that 40k and fantasy are both Hero Scale. Hands and faces are prominently larger than they should be, guns and weapons are bigger than is feasible, and both super warriors and guardsman are wielding enormous weapons one handed.

 

If he had skimped on the proportions of such models they would have looked childlike. A certain degree of enlarged proportions is necessary to obtain the theme he is going for. It's the same thought as magazine editors altering their models images to increase their feminism. Big lips, big eyes, long flowing hair, long legs, smooth skin, big boobs, and a tight butt. If you look closely the models have every one of those things. It's because he's exaggerated their sex to get the theme across. If you want to fight a battle on womens' proportions you should probably start with society as a whole, not the OP.

 

On the terms of armor not having the required support systems or power, who says it's not superlight ceramite? The amazons have grown up on a world with 50x earth gravity and recently left it. Maybe their muscle fibers can handle the stress of carrying around a quarter the weight of TDA.

 

Sometimes answering these questions with the sculpt just confuses the theme and ruins it. A certain degree of imagination is required to appreciate these models. If you want armor that makes technical sense 40k is not the place.

[Derka Derka]

So you're saying it would be perfectly alright, as long as I came up with silly fluff reasons, for me to model massive crotch bulges(or big lumps along the leg armor!) on my space marines, as they come from a chapter where ritual castration is not required and the superhuman geneseed would substantially increase the size of their manhood? And that wouldn't be garish, disgusting, or silly looking to you?

 

Here stands Bjarl the Well-Endowed, with his Mighty Meatstick(power weapon) which adds +3 when penetrating the rear armor of a tank, and does double damage when attacking a monstrous creature from behind.

 

Actually, this sounds like a fantastic idea. A guy models some girls with comical sexualized proportions, so me as a girl should model some guys with hilarious sexualized proportions as well. I'll get right on that. Gender equality wooooo!

[CaligulaX]

So you're saying it would be perfectly alright, as long as I came up with silly fluff reasons, for me to model massive crotch bulges(or big lumps along the leg armor!) on my space marines, as they come from a chapter where ritual castration is not required and the superhuman geneseed would substantially increase the size of their manhood? And that wouldn't be garish, disgusting, or silly looking to you?

 

Here stands Bjarl the Well-Endowed, with his Mighty Meatstick(power weapon) which adds +3 when penetrating the rear armor of a tank, and does double damage when attacking a monstrous creature from behind.

 

Actually, this sounds like a fantastic idea. A guy models some girls with comical sexualized proportions, so me as a girl should model some guys with hilarious sexualized proportions as well. I'll get right on that. Gender equality wooooo!

 

I really don't see why you couldn't do this. Though to be fair, your models would be WAY more sexual than these ones.

I understand the point you're trying to make, but honestly when was the last time you saw a human male model without huge bulging muscles everywhere? Oh here, let me just take out some IG Catachan models for you...

Oh here is some random Blood Angel character with muscles molded into his Artificer Armour (not to mention the protruding nipples). Yes, gender equality indeed.

 

 

Oh wait, now I get why it's called "Hero Scale". Fancy that :D

[ephrael]

So you're saying it would be perfectly alright, as long as I came up with silly fluff reasons, for me to model massive crotch bulges(or big lumps along the leg armor!) on my space marines, as they come from a chapter where ritual castration is not required and the superhuman geneseed would substantially increase the size of their manhood? And that wouldn't be garish, disgusting, or silly looking to you?

 

Here stands Bjarl the Well-Endowed, with his Mighty Meatstick(power weapon) which adds +3 when penetrating the rear armor of a tank, and does double damage when attacking a monstrous creature from behind.

 

Actually, this sounds like a fantastic idea. A guy models some girls with comical sexualized proportions, so me as a girl should model some guys with hilarious sexualized proportions as well. I'll get right on that. Gender equality wooooo!

 

 

Did you join the forums today just to fight about these models? This just happened yesterday and led to warnings, bans and 9 pages of the thread being deleted. Did you even read the mod's comments earlier? If you don't like kid's work don't look in this thread anymore. Pretty simple really.

[Derka Derka]

Did you join the forums today just to fight about these models? This just happened yesterday and led to warnings, bans and 9 pages of the thread being deleted. Did you even read the mod's comments earlier? If you don't like kid's work don't look in this thread anymore. Pretty simple really.

Are you a junior moderator? Is it your job to moderate these forums? If it is not, please shut your mouth. I was linked this thread by somebody and registered to voice my opinion and suggestions on the matter, what is this a police state? Thank you very much, and have a great day! :D

 

It's so cute that I made one completely serious advice post and one joking post and you people come out of the woodwork and completely miss the point. I was merely suggesting slightly less ridiculous proportions, since it would not only look better but make them be taken a bit more seriously. But okay, overreact like a bunch of immature boys.

[Kid Famous The Punch]

Before I think out some realistic and well thought out responses to all this, I would just like to counter your 'overly sexed' argument with pictures of all the models I've made for this army together.

 

The "super sexed" proportions are present in a few places (as well as some proportion errors ;))

 

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd126/ginocoolowski/Woofz/fronts2.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd126/ginocoolowski/Woofz/fronts1.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd126/ginocoolowski/Woofz/fronts3.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd126/ginocoolowski/Woofz/fronts5.jpg

 

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd126/ginocoolowski/Woofz/backs3.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd126/ginocoolowski/Woofz/backs2.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd126/ginocoolowski/Woofz/backs1.jpg

[Kid Famous The Punch]

Now, I am listening to your well crafted responses derka derka. (and everyone else).

[Derka Derka]

That fully greenstuffed one owns and doesn't look too ridiculously overproportioned. Nice work on that.

 

Actually, if you worked on the face of it a little bit, maybe meshing the lips a teensy bit so they blend into the face more, you could probably get Troll Forged Miniatures or someone to mold and sell it. It's actually a pretty damned good "techno-barbarian".

 

edit: actually, if you've got a spare set of Terminator pants, make a Genestealer carrying off the thigh area from the lightning claw one.

[Kid Famous The Punch]

edit: actually, if you've got a spare set of Terminator pants, make a Genestealer carrying off the thigh area from the lightning claw one.

 

LMAO

Re-explain this, I'm missing what you're saying.

[Derka Derka]

edit: actually, if you've got a spare set of Terminator pants, make a Genestealer carrying off the thigh area from the lightning claw one.

 

LMAO

Re-explain this, I'm missing what you're saying.

http://kimag.es/share/73855031.jpg

 

Obviously, this is what happened to the poor girl's armor. a jean-stealer took them.

 

If you went with the idea that some nasty little grots or genestealers stole most of their clothes, that would be perfect.

[Kid Famous The Punch]

OK that's hilarious. Puns own.

 

Well I'm glad you like the Rune-Priestess. As far as all these models go I've only been working on them for 2 1/2 weeks. I've just been doing my level best to get them done and not totally screw them up. I can understand that the Lightning Clawed model and maybe a few others are over the top. But I wasn't really thinking of pornstars when I made them I was thinking "what if Peter Paul Rubens painted Tank girl or things that Frank Frazetta would paint." If I had more time I would probably want to add more musculature to the terminator girls. Because they are supposed to be space barbarians.

I'm really thinking that once they have their storm bolters and other giant weapons they will look a lot different.

[Derka Derka]

Muscles would be great, but don't make them catachans!

[Dan The Deamon]

I think their frailty really works well with the whole theme. You have these frail, innocent space barbarians who must don enormous battle armor to wage wars for the Imperium.

 

It really sums up the whole feel of humans in the 41st ML. We sacrifice our humanity to survive.

 

If you muscle them up i think it will spoil the image. Maybe one or two bigger girls with giant cliche hammers. It'd be hard to root for these girls if they look super tough and buff though.