The Octaguide

[Grey Hunter Ydalir]

Indeed The Art of War is not the perfect example but I was simply using it as a comparative example. It has been around for hundreds of years and is still relevant today.

 

For our brethren in the UK, I think I have seen something similar that the SAS puts out, but I have never read it, and coincidentally would LOVE one if you wanna hook a brother up :D

 

When I moved from the UK to Australia I had one of those along with a few of the more commercialised type versions, after moving however the box they were in never arrived. Maybe I should find a replacement with the ASAS.

 

 

I kind of did, didn't I? Perhaps not the way you mean. Explain a little further?

 

No, you did, I missed it. I haven't slept yet so that was my mistake, apologies.

[Marshal Rohr]

Ah, my mistake.

[Alkana]

Well done Octavulg. The only thing I don't like about The Octaguide is that you didn't write it sooner!

[Octavulg]

Unfortunately, not only does the B&C lack an embarassed emoticon, my mommy didn't teach me how to take compliments gracefully.

 

Until one of those two things changes, I can only say thank you very much. :P

[Captain Juan Juarez]

Unfortunately, not only does the B&C lack an embarassed emoticon, my mommy didn't teach me how to take compliments gracefully.

 

Until one of those two things changes, I can only say thank you very much. :(

 

You have a mommy? :P

 

This is but one of the reason, the other sarcastic abuse couched as wisdom ;), that I include you in my Pantheon!

[Ecritter]

I have to admit, the 10% (just kidding really) I agree with is reallly helpful working on my new IA.

[Octavulg]

You don't have to agree with it. You just have to act on it. :down:

[Walter Payton]

I am loving it so far, and it is really helpful with my latest IA: Heroin Addicted Blood Angels.

 

The only thing that I would disagree with is the inclusion of your own chapter without obvious attribution (sorry to drag this to the surface again). I agree with what you said about confidence and such like, but, the fact is, if this goes in the DIY Guide (as I assume you want it to), we already know that you know what you are talking about, because it is part of the very guide that you have written, and that the B&C agrees with what you have written, ergo, we know that you know what you are talking about and we known that you know that you know what you are talking about because Ferrata told us.

 

Keep up the great work <_<

 

BCA

 

EDIT: Change your signature to 'The Invaluable Octaguide', for it is

[Octavulg]

I am loving it so far, and it is really helpful with my latest IA: Heroin Addicted Blood Angels.

 

Blood Angels are a cocaine chapter if I ever saw one. They're too vain to have track marks. ;)

 

The only thing that I would disagree with is the inclusion of your own chapter without obvious attribution (sorry to drag this to the surface again). I agree with what you said about confidence and such like, but, the fact is, if this goes in the DIY Guide (as I assume you want it to), we already know that you know what you are talking about, because it is part of the very guide that you have written, and that the B&C agrees with what you have written, ergo, we know that you know what you are talking about and we known that you know that you know what you are talking about because Ferrata told us.

 

If this goes in the DIY Guide, it will be when it's done. That's not happening any time soon.

 

Plus, there's the simple fact that I know (generally) why the decisions were made the way they were on the Ice Lords and Bronze Prophets. I can't be as sure with other Chapters. Personally, I like examples. Helps me be sure I understand what's going on. And the examples I can use with the most confidence are, well, mine...

 

Keep up the great work thumbsup.gif

 

Thank you. There'll likely be another update in early April - I'm trying not to beat the thing to death (and I'm also trying to stretch things out long enough that I can honestly claim I don't remember what prompted me to think X).

 

EDIT: Change your signature to 'The Invaluable Octaguide', for it is

 

That would be arrogant, which I never am (well, hardly ever). I'm tempted to add a list of review-style quotes after it, though. ^_^

[Captain Juan Juarez]

That would be arrogant, which I never am (well, hardly ever). I'm tempted to add a list of review-style quotes after it, though. ^_^

 

I think you have a certain arrogance, but I woldn't say it's misplaced... I will now shamefully admit to the following: You sir, amongst two or three others, are one of the indicators of how my IA is doing - I count on the advice of yourself and other such experienced Liberites like GHY and Ace.

[Octavulg]

I think you have a certain arrogance, but I woldn't say it's misplaced... I will now shamefully admit to the following: You sir, amongst two or three others, are one of the indicators of how my IA is doing - I count on the advice of yourself and other such experienced Liberites like GHY and Ace.

 

By definition, arrogance is misplaced. Hence why I get so irked when fifteen people chime in to call me arrogant.

 

The bit where I was in your Personal Pantheon had clued me in, BTW. ^_^

[Captain Juan Juarez]

The bit where I was in your Personal Pantheon had clued me in, BTW. ;)

 

Yeah, now you can just get over yourself ^_^

[Octavulg]

Careful, or I shall smite thee.

[Captain Juan Juarez]

Careful, or I shall smite thee.

 

And I shall be smote, but the fiery wrath of... *something-something*.. shall flay the very flesh from your bones.

[Walter Payton]

"The only antidote to an arrogant man is an even more arrogant man"

 

Octavulg is the poniard that pricks the bloated bladders of the arrogant on this forum. Accordingly, he has some very sharp edges.

[Octavulg]

OhdeargodIwanttotattoothatonmyforehead.

 

I won't, but I want to. :D

[Captain Juan Juarez]

OhdeargodIwanttotattoothatonmyforehead.

 

I won't, but I want to. ;)

 

You could always just make business cards?

[Walter Payton]

OhdeargodIwanttotattoothatonmyforehead.

 

I won't, but I want to. :P

 

Attribute it to Winston S Churchill-I would, but the damn quote name ain't working. Alternatively, and slightly less drastically, you could just sig it :)

[Captain Juan Juarez]

Alternatively, and slightly less drastically, you could just sig it :P

 

That was my first thought, but business cards are so much more "in your face".

[Captain Juan Juarez]

Heres a thought which I don't think you mentioned:

 

That the nearer you get to the potential end of the IA, the harder that it actually becomes.

 

Add that in with platitudes about IAs needing practice and patience, that it can take months of work.. or 3 years in some cases :rolleyes:... to achieve a workable IA.

[Walter Payton]

I am loving it so far, and it is really helpful with my latest IA: Heroin Addicted Blood Angels.

 

Blood Angels are a cocaine chapter if I ever saw one. They're too vain to have track marks. :D

 

I don't think, take something that will make them even more hyper? I don't think so, they do the drug, which I haven't thought of a name for, because it mitigates the effects of the rage (but obviously has other effects, like hurt).

[Octavulg]

The Octaguide has been updated.

 

Changelog

 

Significantly Revised:

“On the Sections of an IA”

 

Added:

The two kinds of criticism

Your color scheme is important

A Brief History of My Own Work

Why you are not the [blank] Templars

“On Codex divergence (and changes to a Chapter's character)”

“On the Process of Writing an IA”

“On specific pedantic criticisms in fluff and writing”

[Marshal Rohr]

You are not the [blank] Templars

Many DIYers like to have the Black Templars be their training cadre. However, there are a number of both in-universe and out-of-universe problems with this. Why would the High Lords choose the Black Templars? They're headstrong, violate the Codex, and are completely outside Imperial control, even moreso than the usual Astartes independence. The High Lords would not trust them. Nor would they be a good choice for a training cadre, precisely because of their particular quirks – they'd pass them on to the new Chapter, which would provide the High Lords with another problem chapter. Added to this, there's the fact that most people seem to simply take the opportunity to recreate the Black Templars, thus raising the issue of why the exercise was undertaken in the first place. The Black Templars as a Chapter cadre raise far, far more problems than they solve.

 

 

Very Nice ;)

[Octavulg]

Thank you. ;) I need more out-of-universe problems, though. :P

 

I'm looking forward to getting a chance to delve into possible methods of Chapter creation at some point. I think it'll be keen. :)

[Walter Payton]

Thank you. :lol: I need more out-of-universe problems, though. :)

 

I'm looking forward to getting a chance to delve into possible methods of Chapter creation at some point. I think it'll be keen. :D

 

-Perseverance

-Finding themes (I'd recommend watching a few good movies or clicking random page on wiki)

-Giving C&C

 

 

All in all, an invaluable resource. If I had to make a criticism, it seems very 'loyalist focused'-Not very much on traitors. Of course, if that is what you want it to be, then fine, but I can't help but think that the lack of Traitor chapters in the Librarium has something to do with the lack of a focused ITs guide.

 

Well done!