Espada Azul Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 It seems that GW just put up a Codex: Blood Angels FAQ. For those who don't pass by Amicus much, here's the link: http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_Custom...Angels_2010.pdf Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205376-gws-new-blood-angels-faq/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 I moved the post in Amicus to News forum, so now its announced on the B+C front page. Some good stuff in there. We can use smoke on a Baal scout move. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205376-gws-new-blood-angels-faq/#findComment-2449775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Captain Devlonir Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Interesting one is when the bubble is measured for Furious Charge. Seems they rule it at the moment it counts, so when resolving the attacks. So not when the assault starts. This screws over some tactics of keeping the Sang Priest safer while a squad Furious Charges in, but it does help in situations where a backup squad comes to the aid of a group with a Sang Priest that is already in assault. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205376-gws-new-blood-angels-faq/#findComment-2449779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Interesting one is when the bubble is measured for Furious Charge. Seems they rule it at the moment it counts, so when resolving the attacks. So not when the assault starts. This screws over some tactics of keeping the Sang Priest safer while a squad Furious Charges in, but it does help in situations where a backup squad comes to the aid of a group with a Sang Priest that is already in assault. Yeah, that one will kind of suck and require a change to my normal strategy. Time to break out the third sanguinary priest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205376-gws-new-blood-angels-faq/#findComment-2449782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Captain Devlonir Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Interesting one is when the bubble is measured for Furious Charge. Seems they rule it at the moment it counts, so when resolving the attacks. So not when the assault starts. This screws over some tactics of keeping the Sang Priest safer while a squad Furious Charges in, but it does help in situations where a backup squad comes to the aid of a group with a Sang Priest that is already in assault. Yeah, that one will kind of suck and require a change to my normal strategy. Time to break out the third sanguinary priest. I'm actually quite happy with this ruling. I almost always use a Combat Squaded Tactical Squad with a Sang Priest as a tough 'base defender' squad. Where the heavy and special weapon in 1 group will grab attention and the sergeant + 4 will use a counter-assault tactic whenever assaulted. Will be great that I don't have to worry about being within 6 inch of the Sang Priest model when starting the assault anymore. You'll be surprised how often one can be in assault range but not close enough to the priest ;-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205376-gws-new-blood-angels-faq/#findComment-2449786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ransom Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Q: Can a Furioso Librarian take additional equipment (such as extra armour)? A: No. ^_^ No more blood lance + magna grapples... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205376-gws-new-blood-angels-faq/#findComment-2449789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Furioso Librarians losing access to Heavy Flamers and Extra Armor is a big one to me. Hard to justify the points on a Dread with no extra armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205376-gws-new-blood-angels-faq/#findComment-2449790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venerable Jazzman Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Another victory for common sense over RAW. Hurrah! Seems to be fairly comprehensive, anything leaping out that they've missed? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205376-gws-new-blood-angels-faq/#findComment-2449800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 The only argument missed is the issue about Sanguinary Novitiates/Blood Champions taking extra gear. This seems to be a pretty good FAQ, answered the questions people are really arguing about. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205376-gws-new-blood-angels-faq/#findComment-2449802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
daboarder Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Edit: never mind nids got one, not whats id hoped for either that or my BA's though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205376-gws-new-blood-angels-faq/#findComment-2449804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Thought of another issue left out. Storm Ravens moving flat out and using POTMS to fire a weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205376-gws-new-blood-angels-faq/#findComment-2449824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother_Dan'l Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 The "No" to EA, Magna Grapples and Heavy Flamers on Furioso Librarians is beyond silly. To me it basically says they underestimated the popularity/effectiveness of the FL and decided this was an easy nerf. In high PV games it might, might, make me less likely to bring a Librarian Dreadnought. But in normal games I can't imagine not taking advantage of the Psychic Hood w/Dreadnought discount even with the chance of being Stunned. Hell, all it really does is give me 15 points to spend someplace else. That and make psychic shooting attacks a little less appealing as a second psy power choice. And the Magna Grapple causes non-tank Tank Shock? Tank Shock caused by a Vyper? Naaaw, that won't open a family sized can of worms. :down: What about the Blood Lance and cover saves? Some rather odd rulings in the Tyranid FAQ as well, but that's not my problem. :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205376-gws-new-blood-angels-faq/#findComment-2449828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Blood Lance and cover saves is pretty easy. Its a shooting attack, so follow the shooting rules. Which means most units hit by a blood lance will have cover. the realization that Blood Lance did not ignore cover was a big part of the reason I don't use Librarians anymore. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205376-gws-new-blood-angels-faq/#findComment-2449831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
douchie Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Ball Preds can move flat out in scout move! That's 12'' right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205376-gws-new-blood-angels-faq/#findComment-2449839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Flat out is 18 inches. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205376-gws-new-blood-angels-faq/#findComment-2449841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spagunk Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 I like it. Still doesn't clear up all of the questions people ask but a good chunk of them were answered. Will be nice not having to see someone argue that whole demolisher thing anymore. I also wish they would have addressed the honor guard gear question but perhaps they thought it too silly and that it should be RAW? /Shrug I still think they should have reiterated the point that tycho is indeed on his own and not in the DC. The question as written was not how I would have asked the question. Besides, big duh that Mephy and Sanguinor are their own units...it was DC tycho that was in question. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205376-gws-new-blood-angels-faq/#findComment-2449843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
meniscusmike Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 cant access GW from work so can someone please tell me if my vindicators have a blast template or not? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205376-gws-new-blood-angels-faq/#findComment-2449845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spagunk Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 What's it worth to ya :) Nah, J/K. Large blast template ordnance 1. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205376-gws-new-blood-angels-faq/#findComment-2449858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnightmare Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 I see Psycho-Tycho is a non-IC. That makes me sad from a fluff perspective but I can understand from the game balance. Maybe he shouldn't be so hard and we could have had him in the DC!! Also dead mans hand is not an additional ccw :) To be fair, most things seem common sence. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205376-gws-new-blood-angels-faq/#findComment-2449859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother_Dan'l Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Blood Lance and cover saves is pretty easy. Its a shooting attack, so follow the shooting rules. Which means most units hit by a blood lance will have cover. the realization that Blood Lance did not ignore cover was a big part of the reason I don't use Librarians anymore. RAW wise I basically agree. But it's a shooting attack that doesn't require a roll to hit and is described as "darting over" intervening objects. It just seems logical that it would disallow cover saves. Neither here nor there as we have an answer, I'm just not happy with that answer. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205376-gws-new-blood-angels-faq/#findComment-2449865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultramarcos Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 apart of the frustration about not being able anymore to get EA for the Furioso Librarian, I must admit that I'm pretty happy with the FAQ, not so many points to address (as oposed to our puppy friends) and none of them are really critical to the game as a whole! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205376-gws-new-blood-angels-faq/#findComment-2449882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkrob Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Furioso Librarians losing access to Heavy Flamers and Extra Armor is a big one to me. Hard to justify the points on a Dread with no extra armor. Don't Heavy Flamers fall into the Weapon category, rather than into the Equipment category? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205376-gws-new-blood-angels-faq/#findComment-2449889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanguinarian Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 I see Psycho-Tycho is a non-IC. That makes me sad from a fluff perspective but I can understand from the game balance. Maybe he shouldn't be so hard and we could have had him in the DC!! Also dead mans hand is not an additional ccw :) To be fair, most things seem common sence. My biggest dilemma now is how to get him across the board safely so that he can join in the reindeer games. Seems kind of ***sad*** that he has to walk behind an armour wall. He'll probably have to "Rhino-Jack" a Tactical Squad, or maybe he'll have to beat my DC Dread at "rock, paper, scissors" to get his Drop Pod, or better yet I'll just have him use his DMH to rodeo-ride a Baal Pred buckin' around the flank. :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205376-gws-new-blood-angels-faq/#findComment-2449894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnightmare Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 My biggest dilemma now is how to get him across the board safely so that he can join in the reindeer games. Seems kind of ***sad*** that he has to walk behind an armour wall. He'll probably have to "Rhino-Jack" a Tactical Squad, or maybe he'll have to beat my DC Dread at "rock, paper, scissors" to get his Drop Pod, or better yet I'll just have him use his DMH to rodeo-ride a Baal Pred buckin' around the flank. ;) lol! I do know what you mean though, I wouldn't have minded even paying more points for the DC version if it meant that he could join the DC. Ho-hum :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205376-gws-new-blood-angels-faq/#findComment-2449905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Race Bannon Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Furioso Librarian entry makes sense. I can see why the answer is "no". I can also see why it was an issue. Meh. This is a good FAQ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205376-gws-new-blood-angels-faq/#findComment-2449917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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