Mr. Sandbot Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 I guess I'm psychic since in a previous post I mentioned wanting an Iron Warriors army completely in Mark3 armor. And now they release exactly what I was afraid they would just to tempt and mock me. Ah well at least I know it's out there and I'm sure I'll break down and make that army sooner or later. Maybe when the next Chaos codex launches. My sympathies to your wallet when that day comes. Wait, if they're starting on Mk III does that mean they're completely skipping over Mk II? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doghouse Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 Yeah whilst this is fantastic news it's definitely not going to be a Heresy release. :) From what I've been told the focus of the new IA book will be the Badab Wars so don't expect any primarchs any time soon. ;) On the up side though there has been talk of these being a tester for a potential future GW plastic kit release and the proper pre-heresy dreadnought may be making an appearance. I think FW are using the Badab war campaign to sneak out pre-heresy stuff that GW hasn't otherwise let them touch. Yet to hear if they're doing all the armour marks though, but it's looking good so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus de Mortalis Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 I guess I'm psychic since in a previous post I mentioned wanting an Iron Warriors army completely in Mark3 armor. And now they release exactly what I was afraid they would just to tempt and mock me. Ah well at least I know it's out there and I'm sure I'll break down and make that army sooner or later. Maybe when the next Chaos codex launches. My sympathies to your wallet when that day comes. Wait, if they're starting on Mk III does that mean they're completely skipping over Mk II? Well, first they did Mk 4, then Mk 6, and now Mk 3. A teaser picture showed a Mk 5 helmet. Maybe they are just working their way back. I really doubt they would just skip it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doghouse Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 Yeah they've been trying to sneak heresy era stuff in what ever way they can because GW wouldn't let them do proper heresy stuff up until now. Mk III isn't the best example of a pre-heresy armour because it was a specialised variant of the mk II designed for boarding actions. Ideally pre-heresy armies should be Mk II and Mk IV with suits of Mk III thrown in. I get the impression that with the badab war theme that boarding actions will be key to the theme as it was mostly fought in the shipping lanes from what has been mentioned hence the mk III and the new boarding craft. The umbra pattern bolters they've released are best used for late crusade/heresy armies and were issued with the Mk IV armour, just a shame they moved the clip back though. I'm hoping they do the Mk II though, that'd be awesome for pre-heresy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Talon Master Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 That's right, I'm pleased to announce that I went to Forge World's website this afternoon and was pleasantly surprised to find Mk. III Iron Armor models and Umbra Pattern X10 bolters to go with them. I'm pleased to see that Forge World is giving us some Pre-Heresy/Horus Heresy love, I can't wait to field some of these bad boys. =) Enjoy! http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-4000...RON-ARMOUR.html http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-4000...RA-PATTERN.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rider-75 Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 see the several threads on this already! everyone is pretty excited, but maybe not enough to warrant another thread..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Talon Master Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 Sorry if I've posted another thread, didn't see one in this area, figured that's where it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall_Brant Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 Looking at the MK 3s' and the Plague Marine conversion kit (maybe the Umbra pattern bolters and the plasma & melta guns from the heavy weapon kit) I can see major potential for some wicked awesome Death Guard. I just wish there was more than five Marines in MK 3 armour... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whit Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 I'm honestly surpriesed that GW hasn't already released an 'Older' Marks pack. In the background material, and in alot of the artwork in the Codexes (Codexei?) many modern marines make use of previous marks. Not to mention that a great deal of people end up going to non-GW sites like Maxmini as opposed to buying a Black Templar sprue or one of those metal packs of 5 under the Collector section. Seems that a plastic release would be a smooth option monetarily, for both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 I'm honestly surpriesed that GW hasn't already released an 'Older' Marks pack. In the background material, and in alot of the artwork in the Codexes (Codexei?) many modern marines make use of previous marks. Not to mention that a great deal of people end up going to non-GW sites like Maxmini as opposed to buying a Black Templar sprue or one of those metal packs of 5 under the Collector section. Seems that a plastic release would be a smooth option monetarily, for both sides. Off Topic, but I see a lot people ask: the plural of "Codex" is "Codices." And although I can certianly agree with your logic about what a cash-cow it would be, I also think the lack of a plastic range of previous marks is a practical decision on GW's part. They already have a huge catalog of plastic and metal minis stretching how many different game systems now? If they released another mark of armor, they'd be strung up in the square at noon if they didn't play fair and release ALL of them, which would in effect add the equivalent of half of a new army model range to their requirements for production. It's much better to leave it to the converter, the outsider (which aren't technically tournament legal), or in this case, Forge World. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 What will Forge World think of next? Mk IV Armour of course! http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/DefaultFW/large/mkIV-5.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doghouse Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 It'd be easy to release a veteran marines boxed set using the older marks of armour and not affect the other products. The main reason for not doing so was that when the multi-part models first came out they wanted to go for a more modern sci-fi look that it was felt the older marks didn't fit into. The new MK IV armour is now up for pre-order: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/MK-I...MUS-ARMOUR.html With the Umbra pattern bolter this will allow you to make a historically correct late great crusade marine squad. Fantastic stuff! Just waiting on the Dreadnought release now. -_- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Talon Master Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 Haha, very nice, ty Morollan. Btw, would I be correct to assume that the Iron Warriors/Imperial Fists made extensive use of Mk. III armor Pre-Heresy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 Haha, very nice, ty Morollan. Btw, would I be correct to assume that the Iron Warriors/Imperial Fists made extensive use of Mk. III armor Pre-Heresy? EVERY Legion made extensive use of Mk.III armor pre-Heresy. A lot started re-equipping to Mk.IV when it came out and then the Heresy hit, and you started to see the interim Mk.V come out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrannicide Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 That set of Mk. IV armor is a beaut. <3 :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Shadow Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 Btw, would I be correct to assume that the Iron Warriors/Imperial Fists made extensive use of Mk. III armor Pre-Heresy? Index Astartes: Adeptus Astartes Power Armour Check out the 'History' near the end of each entry and that'll shed some light on what armour was used when ;). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Traben Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 What legions did use mk. III Iron Armor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Ridcully Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 Every Legion used it, and that Maximus armour is nice, shame I already got the red scorpians set. What next Perhaps Thunder armour, some more varient shoulderpads maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Traben Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 Hm, i might buy some to build a pre-heresy Night Lords company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Traben Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 This maybe off-topic, but i swear that in the Forge World website they say that they accept electronic bankcards such as Visa Electron and Maestro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Traben Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 Just ordered 1 kit of 5 mk. III iron Armor and 1 kit of 10 Umbra pattern X10 bolters from Forge World. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doghouse Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 EVERY Legion made extensive use of Mk.III armor pre-Heresy. A lot started re-equipping to Mk.IV when it came out and then the Heresy hit, and you started to see the interim Mk.V come out. I wouldn't say every Legion used it extensively. The Mk III was more of a Mk IIA, it was a modification rather than a completely new armour mark in it's own right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rider-75 Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 EVERY Legion made extensive use of Mk.III armor pre-Heresy. A lot started re-equipping to Mk.IV when it came out and then the Heresy hit, and you started to see the interim Mk.V come out. I wouldn't say every Legion used it extensively. The Mk III was more of a Mk IIA, it was a modification rather than a completely new armour mark in it's own right. yup. it was primarily an "upgrade" to the MkII to provide additional front protection for tunnel fighting and spaceship boarding actions. all the legions would have used it to some degree, but maybe only for specialist squads (maybe companies), rather than extensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doghouse Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 Yeah it was more of a case of Mk I, Mk II then Mk IV in terms of armour development. There are indications that some of the legions would have used it more than the others, the Iron Warriors for example may have used it in sieges or breaching actions and I seem to recall the Heresy artwork books using it for blood angels quite a bit. It all depends on what era of the crusade that you are basing your army and where they were crusading when resupply began. I'm hoping they do a Mk II armour because this was the armour that was most widely in use at the time and will be the most useful to use as a pre-heresy armour. I think that it's best to think of it as early and late crusade for pre-heresy. Mk II and Mk III for early, Mk II, Mk III and Mk IV for the later period covering a period of about two hundred years. Using these kits your best bet is to go full on late crusade with Mk IV and use the Umbra pattern bolter which was issued with the Mk IV. Having said that there are going to be some units that got the Mk IV later than others, the Sons of Horus who were at the forefront of the crusade and were pretty much the poster boys of the Imperium being led by the Warmaster himself are much more likely to be all Mk IV armour over some of the other legions that were off fighting elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomus Sardauk Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 What next Perhaps Thunder armour, some more variant shoulderpads maybe? Thunder Armor sets? GOD I'd love a set of that in my army... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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