Hints of a New Model

[Brother Xeones]

Well, let's put it this way: you couldn't really hurt the appearance of the original model by doing that. :P

[Feuermann]

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/4333/m1470689ap1mb1.jpg

 

look at the upper left corner. Do you see the new furioso??

[Brother Xeones]

look at the upper left corner. Do you see the new furioso??

Yeah, a number of people have pointed that out. Tough to make out much from that image though.

[Gv0zD]

look at the upper left corner. Do you see the new furioso??

 

Looks like regular one to me, or at least like venerable dread.

The one thing that 'hints' that this is new Furioso is the whithe wings on the front armor plate, but it's hard to tell whether is is just 'Blood Angels conversion kit' of some sort or whatever it may be...

[Dhx711]

Here's hoping the new FD are all plastic. I need 3 of them to call my Angels collection complete and wasnt looking forward to buying or painting the exsisting metal ones.

 

Edit: Plus a dread sized force weapon would be nice to properly make a Libby Dread.

[Brother Xeones]

Well, let take a close look at that dread shall we?

 

• The newer dreadnoughts (ie. both the Ironclad and the Venerable) are slightly broader through the armor plates on either side of the sarcophagus. From what I can see in this blurry photo, it appears that this dreadnought has a similar breadth.

• It also looks like the feet are the same as the new Venerable kit or maybe the old standard dread --ie it's definitely not the long-toed design of the ironclad kit.

• The sarcophagus plate looks completely new to me (or its a REALLY nice conversion). It appears that there is one large central blood drop flanked by perhaps two smaller drops. I can't make out if the white portions are making an X (like for Death company dreadnoughts?) or not. It's tough to tell. This, to me is the one aspect that makes me think it could actually be a new kit.

• The right-hand DCCW has what appears to be a winged blood drop on the "forearm" which the old metal one doesn't have and under-slung melta gun barrel appears to be thinner than the bulky old metal kit arm and more like the meltagun for the Ironclad, which is more akin to the infantry version of the weapon. The actual claw part of the weapon seems to be unique since it's clearly not as bulky as the Ironclad DCCW, but also clearly has the hosing leading into the claws. I suppose it's possible someone used the metal claws from the current metal furioso kit and combined it with the plastic arm from the Ironclad, but that still doesn't take into account the winged blood drop on the forearm. It would be possible for a talented hobbyist to greenstuff the blood drop, so who knows?

• The white wings on the armor side plates looks like they could be the same as the winged blood drops on the Storm raven kit --simply cut them in half and remove the blood drop. There you go. I'm not saying that's definitely what they did, but it DOES seem possible.

• Finally, it looks like the leg armor on the model looks like the curved standard dread leg armor rather than the stuff from either of the new kits.

 

In the final analysis, I'd have to say that almost everything "unique" about this dreadnought could be converted or kit bashed from a standard Dreadnought and a Ironclad kit with a few bits from other kits like the metal furioso and perhaps the Stormraven.

 

The only thing that I can't explain from the picture is the sarco face plate, which leads me to believe that it could indeed be a new kit. Maybe.

 

EDIT: Anyone think it's possible they might just release an upgrade sprue kinda like they did for DA and others back in the day? I'm just finding it hard to believe that GW is going to fill their [finite] shelf space with yet another dreadnought box. :blink: I mean, people could easily make one of these if they had a couple of new sarco front plates, a right-handed DCCW, and perhaps a few bling-y bits. Add in parts to build a libby dread and you might have the makings of a very nice single-sprue upgrade pack like they did with the deathrolla for the Ork battlewagon.

[vahouth]

• The sarcophagus plate looks completely new to me (or its a REALLY nice conversion). It appears that there is one large central blood drop flanked by perhaps two smaller drops. I can't make out if the white portions are making an X (like for Death company dreadnoughts?) or not. It's tough to tell. This, to me is the one aspect that makes me think it could actually be a new kit.

 

It looks to me that the sarcophagus has an image of Sanguinius, pretty much like the Chapter banner.

[Brother Xeones]

Hmmm... you might be right. It still looks to me like three blood drops, but I can see where you might get that.

[Dakez]

While i'm glad to see a model out there, I was hoping for something.....sleeker......for the Stormraven. I understand that Astartes aren't much for aestetics, but this is the Blood Angels we're talking about. I'll end up getting a couple though, just because they're so BAMF.

[Dhx711]

EDIT: Anyone think it's possible they might just release an upgrade sprue kinda like they did for DA and others back in the day? I'm just finding it hard to believe that GW is going to fill their [finite] shelf space with yet another dreadnought box. <_< I mean, people could easily make one of these if they had a couple of new sarco front plates, a right-handed DCCW, and perhaps a few bling-y bits. Add in parts to build a libby dread and you might have the makings of a very nice single-sprue upgrade pack like they did with the deathrolla for the Ork battlewagon.

 

 

If thats the route they go I'm fine with it but at the very least here's what I'd wanna see in the upgrade sprue:

 

• Right CCW
  
• Blood Talon bits
  
• Front plates for Furisio, DC, & Libby
  
• Forceweapon
  
• Magnagrapple
  

[Brother Xeones]

A frag cannon would be nice too.

[Chapter Master Ignis Domus]

I just had an idea - what if you took off the wings, or substantially shortened them and remounted the vector thrusters, and then put on two rotors? Large ones, like oversized Deffcopta ones? Would that work?

 

Someone's been playing a bit to much Halo: Reach.

[Grimtooth]

Meh. I don't like it. Most of the player base created a much better model. I have no problem to people that like it. I find it akin to couples that have really wanted a baby for a long time. When they get, they don't care how ugly it is, just that they have a baby.

[Brother Xeones]

I just had an idea - what if you took off the wings, or substantially shortened them and remounted the vector thrusters, and then put on two rotors? Large ones, like oversized Deffcopta ones? Would that work?

 

Someone's been playing a bit to much Halo: Reach.

 

I think it could, but you'd need to move the wings forward so that it looked like the rotors were closer to the craft's center of gravity. I think it would look even more nose-heavy if the wings remained where they are now.

[lords2001]

I just had an idea - what if you took off the wings, or substantially shortened them and remounted the vector thrusters, and then put on two rotors? Large ones, like oversized Deffcopta ones? Would that work?

 

Someone's been playing a bit to much Halo: Reach.

 

I think it could, but you'd need to move the wings forward so that it looked like the rotors were closer to the craft's center of gravity. I think it would look even more nose-heavy if the wings remained where they are now.

 

Yeah, I would have one rotor set quite forward, and another set further back. I would probably have to move the turret though to make space - perhaps undersling it in some fashion. I'll have to set my mind to it once I see the kit.

[Ebsolom]

Found this on Dakka forums. Photoshopped by MajorTomm11;

 

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/154621-s...20redesign.html

[DV8]

I don't like the VTOL engines on the front, but the back is interesting. Would be neat to see how easy or difficult it would be to accomplish, dependent on what the stock back of the model actually looks like. The positioning of the Lascannons isn't all that great either. I'd go wing-mounted or turret-mounted on the top. But otherwise, interesting.

 

 

DV8

[Gv0zD]

The positioning of the Lascannons isn't all that great either. I'd go wing-mounted or turret-mounted on the top. But otherwise, interesting.

DV8

 

Totally agree. The position made by MajorTomm11 doesn't allow the lascannons to adjust fire in horisontal plane. But their orginal positin with the turrent isn't also good IMHO. Had anyone considered placing them on both sides of stormraven but using Predator-like sponsons? I think this will look much better and more functionally, as stormraven would be able to fire in all directions while it moves over the battlefield or when it deploys troops. I'm not good with photoshop, so someone would have to do this :blink:

[Chapter Master Ignis Domus]

Having the lascannons on wing-mounted hardpoints is definitely a good idea. Other than that, it's an awesome model.

[BorisBC]

so I wonder where you put the side sponsons for the Hurricane Bolters? They could maybe go on the doors, but that would look a little silly and potentially stop the doors from being used.. I thought maybe at the front left, which is hidden behind troops there. Any ideas??

[Whitefireinferno]

My Hurrican bolters are going next to the doors where Brother Xeones has put his meltas since My Ass cans are going to be underslung chin mount and the Heavy bolters are Roof mount this way All the 24 inch weapons will able to fire at the same thing and the HB has enough range over the others to do the same. Since after mine has droped its load it becomes a Gunship or it will cart around some scouts and be a scoring gunship. Can't wait for it to show up :)

[shatter]

Sticking everything on the nose has a lot of threat range advantage. (vehicles rotating around stand)

[Morticon]

Sticking everything on the nose has a lot of threat range advantage. (vehicles rotating around stand)

 

Would it not depend on the mounting? The MMs in that pic for example only have 45degree firing arc.

[shatter]

Yes, it would depend on mounting (position) and the front of the vehicle will most likely in nearly any given deployment be the most active direction.

 

I only meant that whatever the firing arc on a weapon, hardpoints on the nose as opposed to directly over the stand centre can give a much greater change in range footprint on the table turn to turn. Pretty much up to (range of the weapon PLUS the distance between the barrel end(s) and the vertical centre of the stand) X2 plus move.

 

Therefore it makes a lot of sense to keep all the weapons in one very forward spot. As long as it doesn't get immob pointing at nowhere.

 

 

BTW, I'm sure it's been mentioned somewhere but normally GW advise their staffers if (official) stuff gets leaked. There hasn't been a global email about this one so far AFAIK. It's led to some conjecture that the model shown is a construction project 'beta' of a designer hopeful within the GW family somewhere rather than an officially approved final model.

 

*shrug*

 

Little bird in Brittain... but he may have been toying with me.

[SnorriSnorrison]

Just read the GW newsletter confirming new units for Blood Angels. It was also mentioned that some of these have never been seen before, soo....only good can come from this. ^_^

 

 

Snorri