Blood Angels Second Wave Confirmed!

[Whitefireinferno]

Yep We don't get FW's new indestructable tank or their flying trash barge for our armies and now other armies get to use more fancy toys that according to fluff only us and the GK use....

 

So we get normal land speeders and storm ravens and everyone else(even the old codexs) pretty much has Normal landspeeders, Land Speeder Storms(Templar and DA YET) ,FW trash Barge thing and the Storm Raven, And we get a Fast tank compared to a HaHaiTroLlYoU tank that is put on the feild and stays there . Hey GW why don't ya come crap in my pillowcase while I'm not home. GW is starting to take tips from WOTC on how to hate your playerbase.

[Dhx711]

Send'em you address and they'll be over forthwith :)

 

EDIT: Thing that really gets me is thier :) fluff, there's money to made" attitude.

[Brother Weasel]

Personally I really hope they don't spread out the Stormraven to the other Chapters, as I find that rather unfair. We don't get to use Ironclads, or Jetbikes, etc. Those are specially added for those chapters, just the like Stormraven is for Blood Angels and the Knights. It even says how they're the only ones with them, but I also realize Games Workshop is a business, and could milk a lot more out of the model by making it so widespread. (Even though most people "Counts as" with our codex anyway.) I just think it would be really disappointing if we lost that uniqueness is all. Still looking forward to the Second Wave though!! :)

 

we have other uniquness, the SR is just one unit.. (and while we dont' have the ironclad, we have the furioso, libby dread, Baal pred, assult as troops, DC, Sang Guard, priests...)

[Deus_Sanguinius]

And nobody knows for sure if the Stormraven will be available for other chapters. Keep cool and let's see what will happen. I hope the SR will be a unique vehicle for BA and GK only as it is written in our codex. Other chapters should stick with their toys.

 

Cheers

Sang

[Brother Weasel]

We won't know "for sure" till it happens, but people who know more then we do (rumormongers, who more often then not get it right) are saying that it will be for more SM armies then BA and GK, cold be one more army, could be all the armies (same person also fingered the Battleforce to have 10 tac, 5 assult, 5 dc, and a rhino.)

[Aeterni]

Rumors that I've been hearing is that the SR will be available to other chapters but 0-1 as heavy. However, a rumor is a rumor until proven. Let's see what happens.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Same thing happened with the LRC when it was first released in the Armegeddon codex for Black Templars. I think if sales for the Stormraven are good then GW will eventually release it for other chapters. It's nice that for now we are the only chapter that has them at their disposal and to me it's a big advantage but it won't bother me if other chapters can eventually also field them as well.

 

0b :D

[LordCommanderSamirus]

*removed due to stupidity* :D

 

-Samirus

[SamaNagol]

You should read the thread regarding the Stormraven picture.

[LordCommanderSamirus]

Sorry didn't even think to look in that thread for some reason.

 

-Samirus

[SamaNagol]

It's cool, everyone is completely baffled as to why, after that picture being around for so long showing not only the StormRaven but also making it clear there is a new Furioso kit that they release this newsletter info, then don't put proper pictures up.

 

If they were going to hold off the pictures, why even send out the newsletter?

[TheMouth]

I have worked in the toy/collectable industry, the actual manufactoring and production side of it...no not a "line" worker but dealt with the companies making the items for them...and even I have called several times over the past several months to go :) GW? WAT?

 

I think it really is a bit about the UK offices do not get the US and how we are about things. I am seriously tempted to put a resume to GW and try and get onboard and make them function successfully !!! Seriously, how they are able to stay in business let alone just maintain business is beyond me.

 

/rant

 

 

Still wanna see that furioso, even if it turns out to just be a conversion, I still wanna see it.

[Brother-Captain Devlonir]

So tell me Mouth.. how are you over in the US about things? When you are teased you want to know everything you are teased about?

 

Look, I'm as annoyed as anyone that the website post did not put up more information than we hoped for. But don't forget it did do one thing: It made it official that there will be new BA stuff and it will be there after New Year. That is good news in itself! We in the forum worlds may have already 'known' through rumors that it will be there, but it's great to see it official now.

 

And seriously, you expect a company to change it's whole marketing strategy for a new line of products over 1 leaked image? I wouldn't expect them to, to be honest.

 

About the SR being available for other armies: I'd call bull if it will be available, especially considering it is described in fluff as being BA and GK exclusive. But, if other armies have a 0-1 limit and we can still run 3 of them in one list we still have our uniqueness right? I mean, I'm planning a 1700 list right now with 2 or 3 of the bulldog ships in them.

[Gv0zD]

Seriously, how they are able to stay in business let alone just maintain business is beyond me.

Well, GW provides quiet a unique line of products, and very popular ones I must admit. We may rant here about them not showing the images of new models, but still we will go and buy them when they are released. And do not forget that GW now makes money on franchising 40k in videogames industry, as DoW series were pretty successful, and there's 40k MMO coming... (and we'll play this game ;) ) Oh, and there's Warhammer Fantsy tabletop and videogames also. So I would not worry for GW's revenue and cashflows  :) And as long as they maintain them they'll be in business and in the money.

 

I am seriously tempted to put a resume to GW and try and get onboard and make them function successfully !!!

 

I wish you luck! No matter how people react on GW's certain actions I think it'll be great to work for such company.

 

 

Going back to the topic... I still think that GW changed their mind prior to posting the message. It happens in every industry from time to time.

 

Otherwise this could be simply a mistake of staff who made the newsletter... While they meant to announce another BA ad, they mistook it for announcement of the new models. This stuff also happens... Imagine this: a manager tells his subordinate to prepare a newsletter regarding the oncoming BA ad, that would include message of 'new models being released in February'. And the subordinate simply posts "new models are to be released in February - go and check our website tomorrow" (that's not an exact quote ;) ) And we all go and lose our minds in anticipation of being shown these new models... This stuff happens, it is called 'human factor' :D

 

EDIT: I've been working in investment bank and or PR-department often made ridiculous newsletters containing something like "there's important news concerning largest US insurance companies to be released today" and when the news is released, there is nothing so important about it... the news didn't even concern "the largest US companies". So I might say I got used to such situations.

[thundrchickn]

I have worked in the toy/collectable industry, the actual manufactoring and production side of it...no not a "line" worker but dealt with the companies making the items for them...and even I have called several times over the past several months to go :) GW? WAT?

 

I think it really is a bit about the UK offices do not get the US and how we are about things. I am seriously tempted to put a resume to GW and try and get onboard and make them function successfully !!! Seriously, how they are able to stay in business let alone just maintain business is beyond me.

 

/rant

 

 

Still wanna see that furioso, even if it turns out to just be a conversion, I still wanna see it.

 

 

I'm glad someone agreas with me. It's like a bunch of monkeys are running things. here's a few things I'd do to increase sales for GW.

 

1. At gamesday release a to do of sorts for the entire calander year. Nothing definate but tell people which codexes are definately coming out as well as start the rumors for things like the stormraven and whatever new units are in the book.

 

2. Reduce prices so GW stores are competivie with the internet. Sure they get an extra 20% or so for selling it in store but if your GW stores are seriously out sold by amazon, what's the point. At least by opening more stores with competitive product your giving people a place to play. You'll sell more if random people come in looking for video games seeing tons of people having a good time time and not have a heart attack when you turn over the first box you look at(a tiny box of termies) and see a 50 dollar price tag.

 

3. Advertising is terrible. Look at the newsletter and you can understand. Sure they go in depth in the official GW magazine but who buys that. Only GW loyalists. Half the issues are useless to the average player. They've become to focused on what's coming out for the month that a BA player wont care about the isle of blood issue or skaven players caring about the DE issue. The painting sections are the only redeeming qualities for people and thats 2-4 pages which you can get on the web for free. Their stores are the best advertisers but I see them turn more people off than onto the game because of the prices or overly pushy employees trying to upsale them. Why aren't there monthly sales to clear old inventory advertised on BoLS, yesthetruthhurts.com, warseer.com. whatever.

 

4. Release some of the info on playtesting. Look at what some websites have done with world of warcraft and the patch udpates months in advance. Give people ideas. Explain why you did something a certain way like points costs or rule sets. It seems like the GW play testers are hobbists and not gamers. take the focus off "WE ARE A MODEL MAKING COMPANY" and take care of the "GAMES" in GAMES WORKSHOP. I can't speak for everyone but it sure looks like more people play the game than paint. take a look at all the gray camo armies running around and tell me different.

 

People go to art stores to take up art and painting. People walk into a store called GAMES WORKSHOP to play games.

[Brother-Captain Devlonir]

Good post chicken, dont agree 100% with it but I see the virtue in some of your comments.

 

1. At gamesday release a to do of sorts for the entire calander year. Nothing definate but tell people which codexes are definately coming out as well as start the rumors for things like the stormraven and whatever new units are in the book.

 

Look back at what they released all over 2010.. do you really want Gamesday to be all about what comes out next year and not what comes out next month or just came out? I don't think this is a good thing.. maybe a general idea of what comes out like say: "2011 is the year of Grey Knights, Chaos Space Marines, Dark Angels and finally: Necrons!"

Not saying anything in detail about anything.. but people that love those armies will look forward to the new stuff.. One major downside though: If I was a CSM player and heard that in 2011 a lot of new CSM stuff will come out, I will stop buying stuff right now. And that is bad for business as well.

 

2. Reduce prices so GW stores are competivie with the internet. Sure they get an extra 20% or so for selling it in store but if your GW stores are seriously out sold by amazon, what's the point. At least by opening more stores with competitive product your giving people a place to play. You'll sell more if random people come in looking for video games seeing tons of people having a good time time and not have a heart attack when you turn over the first box you look at(a tiny box of termies) and see a 50 dollar price tag.

 

To be honest.. the only reason that GW stuff is 50 USD nowadays is because the Brittish Pound is more linked to the Euro right now, and the USD is pretty weak compared to the EUR right now.

So don't blame GW, blame your own government over the last 10 years for the weakness of the USD.

 

3. Advertising is terrible. Look at the newsletter and you can understand. Sure they go in depth in the official GW magazine but who buys that. Only GW loyalists. Half the issues are useless to the average player. They've become to focused on what's coming out for the month that a BA player wont care about the isle of blood issue or skaven players caring about the DE issue. The painting sections are the only redeeming qualities for people and thats 2-4 pages which you can get on the web for free. Their stores are the best advertisers but I see them turn more people off than onto the game because of the prices or overly pushy employees trying to upsale them. Why aren't there monthly sales to clear old inventory advertised on BoLS, yesthetruthhurts.com, warseer.com. whatever.

 

Totally agree that White Dwarf is a horrible magazine. It really isn't more than a book full of advertisement that gets sold with painting tips and some new rules once in a while. And they dare ask money for it. That's why I have never bought it.

 

4. Release some of the info on playtesting. Look at what some websites have done with world of warcraft and the patch udpates months in advance. Give people ideas. Explain why you did something a certain way like points costs or rule sets. It seems like the GW play testers are hobbists and not gamers. take the focus off "WE ARE A MODEL MAKING COMPANY" and take care of the "GAMES" in GAMES WORKSHOP. I can't speak for everyone but it sure looks like more people play the game than paint. take a look at all the gray camo armies running around and tell me different.

 

People go to art stores to take up art and painting. People walk into a store called GAMES WORKSHOP to play games.

 

This is a good point too, they do keep their hands off balance and gaming and focus on the hobby aspect. But maybe they need a team that focuses on FAQs and Erratas which is also active in the community. Just look at what Ghostcrawler did for World of Warcraft. He created a lot of understanding for the underlying balancing issues of that game by being open to the community about those issues and the intent of changes done. If you have an active community rule/balance person than there will be more understanding for RAI and not a great focus on RAW as it is now.

 

Give us a Games Workship Ghostcrawler nao! :-P

[Hergrmir]

Who cares if everyone gets a Stormraven? It's not like they get land raiders as transports, FC/Fearless, SPriests, DC, Baals, Librarian Dreads (and I think they ought to get Baals, and Librarian dreads I don't really think make any sense at all :)), fast tanks, a discount on transports for assault squads, better jump troop reliability, hand flamers/melta pistols (which I also think should be more available to others), and assault marines as troops. What do we not get? TFCs, Storms, and Ironclads (but whatever, we get Furiosos instead).

 

What does a Stormraven do? It gets it's troops into the fight fast. This makes sense for Space Marine chapters in general.

 

I mean, it's something of an unpopular opinion, but IMHO the differences between the different Marine codexes ought to be organisational, special characters, special rules, and maybe things like hand flamers and melta pistols (I guess that goes for Wolf claws too). Things like Baals, TFCs and the like are things produced to STC patterns (or field variants) that have been Mechanicum sanctioned.

[TheMouth]

So tell me Mouth.. how are you over in the US about things? When you are teased you want to know everything you are teased about?

 

Look, I'm as annoyed as anyone that the website post did not put up more information than we hoped for. But don't forget it did do one thing: It made it official that there will be new BA stuff and it will be there after New Year. That is good news in itself! We in the forum worlds may have already 'known' through rumors that it will be there, but it's great to see it official now.

 

And seriously, you expect a company to change it's whole marketing strategy for a new line of products over 1 leaked image? I wouldn't expect them to, to be honest.

 

About the SR being available for other armies: I'd call bull if it will be available, especially considering it is described in fluff as being BA and GK exclusive. But, if other armies have a 0-1 limit and we can still run 3 of them in one list we still have our uniqueness right? I mean, I'm planning a 1700 list right now with 2 or 3 of the bulldog ships in them.

 

 

I said they have done several errors in marketing. Not just this one. I deal with customers across the world that want items, and there truly is a difference in marketing and items purchased from the US vs. EU , and even Canada. No i do not expect a company to change its entire marketing strategy for a new line of products, its a gradual change. Seriously man...do you really think I am that ignorant? Do me a favor dont talk down to me, I have been in the same industry for close to over 13 years...ill let that soak in. 13 bloody years.

[Brother Nathan]

rampage? and of course theres different marketing stratagies in the us and europe, they are different after all....

[Deus_Sanguinius]

About the SR being available for other armies: I'd call bull if it will be available, especially considering it is described in fluff as being BA and GK exclusive. But, if other armies have a 0-1 limit and we can still run 3 of them in one list we still have our uniqueness right? I mean, I'm planning a 1700 list right now with 2 or 3 of the bulldog ships in them.

 

Yes, that would be quite acceptable for me. ;)

 

I am also planning to use 2 SR in a 2000 list.

[Tamwulf]

It is perplexing how GW has stayed in business... they just seem so inept and make so many mistakes on the consumer side of things.

 

I like White Dwarf as a pretty magazine full of pictures and advertisements for the current army release. As a game magazine? Fail.

 

I've signed up for this GW Newsletter, but all it does is tease me and sends me to the website to access content everyone can see. So, why did I register for this newsletter again? Where is the information on the new releases promised me in the newsletter? Oh, that's right. It took me to the GW Website where I was treated to a Games Day Fantasy miniature, which I do like! But it's not why I clicked on the link. Was there any useful information at the link? No.

 

It's sad that a mistake made by a newb web developer gave me more information than the "Official" information provided to me by GW.

 

Fail, GW. Fail on the consumer side of the business.

 

On the business side of things, GW seems to be making all the right moves. Or doing something to make a profit and stay in business... I just wish they were not such an "Evil Corporation" when it comes to it's consumer and player base.

 

I'm looking forward to the new Stormraven. It kinda looks like a mini-Thunderhawk. I shall call it "The Thunderduck".

[SamaNagol]

You can't really hold up GW's licensing of IP to the video games market as a blueprint for companies to follow, when Blizzard hit a billion dollars in revenue in 2008 off titles which were evolved from projects GW turned down!

 

They've NEVER been good at utilising their IP. And for those of us who have been to Games Days in the UK prior to 2004, they used to be full fo wonder and future projects, greens, illustrations and seminars where they would talk about the coming year. Not the coming 30 days. Games Day is the live event equivalent of White Dwarf now. A sales show.

 

Which is a shame, and it will only in the end choke the remaining supporters of their product lines rather than stimulate growth.

 

The reason why they are still in business? We love their IP like it is part of the family. That's why.

[Morticon]

And with that, this thread has ceased to be useful and constructive...or related to the topic.

 

Closed.