The Emperor's Champion Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 The name and the description certainly seem to support the idea that it will basically kill the Emperor, thus either dooming humanity or herlading His rebirth and their salvation. I'm not really sure whether a reborn Emperor is something that I would like or not. Reading the HH books I'm touched by the tragedy of it all and how things could have been so much better if Horus hadn't ruined it all. Bringing Him back would kind of detract from that. What if the Big E is reborn then maybe he'd come back not as powerful, kinda like Nagash. He'd probably come back vastly MORE powerful. Every time "he" used to do it "he" came back with the same power. Now, his thousands of souls have very probably been augmented by the utterly innumerable number of souls sacrificed to him and who died in his name. He would very probably be reborn as what could truly be called The God-Emperor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227333-the-terminus-decree/page/3/#findComment-2729014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
asmunder Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 This is kind of a stretch, but IF the two legions WERE put in stasis, it could be to unlock them. I mean, if that was penance, then no one would know what would happen, BUT 2 primarchs running around would probably wipe Abbadon off the map! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227333-the-terminus-decree/page/3/#findComment-2729034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predmarine Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Has anyone considered that it could be instructions on how to awaken and rebuild the armies of the ' Men of Iron'. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Men_of_Iron Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227333-the-terminus-decree/page/3/#findComment-2790331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Rebuilding would take too long, and I doubt the Emperor would have left any to "awaken". Plus they could probably be controlled by the Void Dragon if the VD ever fully woke up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227333-the-terminus-decree/page/3/#findComment-2790343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
by_any_other_names Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Herecy! The Macks body was turned to dust after he was unplugged from the astronomicon! Therefore his body could not be enshrined? the "iron men" STC was dealt with in a gaunts ghost novel Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227333-the-terminus-decree/page/3/#findComment-2790378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 I think we're all looking at this the wrong way. Chaos is the greatest threat humanity faces; the Tyranids run a close second, but an external and obvious alien threat is capable of uniting not just all of humanity, but other sentient beings as well -- humans and Eldar and the Tau are more likely to choose "hang together" option (and have done so in the past). But Chaos is insidious. It worms its way into the hearts of men and turns them from the path of righteousness into cruel and debased worshippers of dark creatures beyond mortal ken. How can you fight such a thing? Given that one of its main proponents is a being that feds on violence itself, you can argue that fighting it only makes it stronger -- evil begets evil. So if you can't defeat it in a military sense, you've only one option: try to cut it off from you. And, praytell, which race is the only race in the universe that knows how to completely shut off access to the warp? The C'tan. And what is bound under the surface of Mars, just a couple of million miles away from Terra? A C'tan, placed there by the Emperor himself, to act as a guide for humanity's technological growth. So I think that the Terminus Decree isn't an "off switch" for the Throne, though it certainly is the one theory that seems to make the most direct sense. I think the Decree is actually a "get out of jail free card" that the Grey Knights can take to the Guardian in the Noctis Labyrinthus, and so set the Void Dragon free in the hopes that it will know how -- and, in the interest of self-preservation, utilize and/or pass that knowledge on to humanity -- to finish the pylon network started so long ago by the necrontyr and perhaps close off humanity's access to the warp (and by extension, the warp's access to humanity) forever. Such a thing may require 100% conversion to the pariah genotype, but when your options are be soulless or die. . . . well, suffice to say I don't want to die. But that's just me, and I could be totally wrong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227333-the-terminus-decree/page/3/#findComment-2790403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Herecy! The Macks body was turned to dust after he was unplugged from the astronomicon! Therefore his body could not be enshrined? I think you need to have a look at what "cremation" is. We turn dead bodies into dust and put the ashes into "shrines" all the time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227333-the-terminus-decree/page/3/#findComment-2790432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeslikethunder Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 I think we're all looking at this the wrong way. Chaos is the greatest threat humanity faces; the Tyranids run a close second, but an external and obvious alien threat is capable of uniting not just all of humanity, but other sentient beings as well -- humans and Eldar and the Tau are more likely to choose "hang together" option (and have done so in the past). But Chaos is insidious. It worms its way into the hearts of men and turns them from the path of righteousness into cruel and debased worshippers of dark creatures beyond mortal ken. How can you fight such a thing? Given that one of its main proponents is a being that feds on violence itself, you can argue that fighting it only makes it stronger -- evil begets evil. So if you can't defeat it in a military sense, you've only one option: try to cut it off from you. And, praytell, which race is the only race in the universe that knows how to completely shut off access to the warp? The C'tan. And what is bound under the surface of Mars, just a couple of million miles away from Terra? A C'tan, placed there by the Emperor himself, to act as a guide for humanity's technological growth. So I think that the Terminus Decree isn't an "off switch" for the Throne, though it certainly is the one theory that seems to make the most direct sense. I think the Decree is actually a "get out of jail free card" that the Grey Knights can take to the Guardian in the Noctis Labyrinthus, and so set the Void Dragon free in the hopes that it will know how -- and, in the interest of self-preservation, utilize and/or pass that knowledge on to humanity -- to finish the pylon network started so long ago by the necrontyr and perhaps close off humanity's access to the warp (and by extension, the warp's access to humanity) forever. Such a thing may require 100% conversion to the pariah genotype, but when your options are be soulless or die. . . . well, suffice to say I don't want to die. But that's just me, and I could be totally wrong. OOh I like this idea Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227333-the-terminus-decree/page/3/#findComment-2790799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Apostle Thirst Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 The name and the description certainly seem to support the idea that it will basically kill the Emperor, thus either dooming humanity or herlading His rebirth and their salvation. I'm not really sure whether a reborn Emperor is something that I would like or not. Reading the HH books I'm touched by the tragedy of it all and how things could have been so much better if Horus hadn't ruined it all. Bringing Him back would kind of detract from that. What if the Big E is reborn then maybe he'd come back not as powerful, kinda like Nagash. He'd probably come back vastly MORE powerful. Every time "he" used to do it "he" came back with the same power. Now, his thousands of souls have very probably been augmented by the utterly innumerable number of souls sacrificed to him and who died in his name. He would very probably be reborn as what could truly be called The God-Emperor. This. To put it technicly, the same thing happened with Slaanesh. Sure, there was a spot in the Warp dedicated to lust, and then the Eldar went crazy, and boom, Slaanesh is born. The Emperor is like a massively powerful daemon prince (although somehow able to be mortal? Remember the ork), and after he Horus Heresy, untold billions of people are sacrificed to him, and he is worshipped by the etnire Imperium. Now, a portion of that goes to the Astronomicon, probably a large part, but all the power has been building up in the Warp for about ten thousand years, and will continue building up until the Emperor's soul finally disconnects with his body and his conscious takes control of all that power. At that point, he would deserve to be called God-Emperor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227333-the-terminus-decree/page/3/#findComment-2790909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brother Hastatus Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 I've only recently returned to reading masses about the wonderful world of 40k, but I must say, this little bit is very exciting. It adds yet another element to the whole idea that the galaxy is going to be hugely shaken up in the (in-game) near future. Obviously, gw would never actually progress with the fluff (and a good thing too I think), so we're forever left to wonder what might happen. All the ideas about the endtime, with the return of the primarches, the Emperor, the Sensei, the various Eldar diety-style-things, the fullscale awakening of the Necrons (the Void Dragon being very cool, obviously), the final invasion of the 'nids, these all make it an exciting prospect. Anyway, the idea of the awakening of the Emperor is obviously pretty cool, but there's some other good ones to. There's the assumption that it was written by Malcador or the Emperor within that very specific time period, which does of course limit the options. But perhaps it tells us when/how the Primarches return? I have no idea how or why they'd decide to plan it in such a strange way, but some of them did simply choose to disappear off for a while. Perhaps they had a specific place in mind, with a specific time planned at which they should come back? This would only really apply to Russ, Corax and Vulcan if this was the case, as the others didn't really choose the time of their departure from the Imperium, but still. Just those three turning up would be exciting. To be honest, that idea is a bit silly, but here's a better one, following on from something that was briefly mentioned earlier. There are still two legions to be accounted for in the fluff, and, being an optomist, I like to think they weren't disgraced, but were instead chosen, for whatever reason, for special futures. Quite why everyone else would be so unwilling to speak about them I don't know, but ahh well. So they're in statis/outside the galaxy/etc etc, and this little box contains directions/passwords etc for bringing them back, primarches and all. They'd probably help the Imperium hugely, but you never know, they might have gotten grumpy and turned against it. Also, I get the impression that any sudden change in the balance in the endless war would most likely result in the endtimes kicking off, as somehow every other race rolled out the big guns for the big war. So even something hugely helpful for the Imperium (return of the two legions, or the Emperor) could carry risks, as the endtimes would provide the ultimate 'all-or-nothing' type war. Sorry if that's rather rambling, much of that was written as I thought it up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227333-the-terminus-decree/page/3/#findComment-2791031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
facmanpob Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 And, praytell, which race is the only race in the universe that knows how to completely shut off access to the warp? The C'tan. And what is bound under the surface of Mars, just a couple of million miles away from Terra? A C'tan, placed there by the Emperor himself, to act as a guide for humanity's technological growth. So I think that the Terminus Decree isn't an "off switch" for the Throne, though it certainly is the one theory that seems to make the most direct sense. I think the Decree is actually a "get out of jail free card" that the Grey Knights can take to the Guardian in the Noctis Labyrinthus, and so set the Void Dragon free in the hopes that it will know how -- and, in the interest of self-preservation, utilize and/or pass that knowledge on to humanity -- to finish the pylon network started so long ago by the necrontyr and perhaps close off humanity's access to the warp (and by extension, the warp's access to humanity) forever. Such a thing may require 100% conversion to the pariah genotype, but when your options are be soulless or die. . . . well, suffice to say I don't want to die. But that's just me, and I could be totally wrong. To take this a stage further, perhaps the Terminus decree is the book that Dalia Cythera allowed to be stolen from the Dragon's Cavern, recovered by the proto-Grey Knights during the Heresy, and kept as a relic. Or it might be a Duracell bunny......still banging it's drum like a maniac after all of these years! :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227333-the-terminus-decree/page/3/#findComment-2793306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Ciaphas Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Hail, Nah - I know what is written on the sealed scroll: 42 ;-) Regards, Master Ciaphas Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227333-the-terminus-decree/page/3/#findComment-2793734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justcar Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 It would make for an excellent scene to have the grey knights fighting the custodes to kill the Emperor. The two most awesome forces in the galaxies fighting each other! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227333-the-terminus-decree/page/3/#findComment-2812210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Custodes would win. Space Marine < Grey Knight < Custode < Primarch < Emperor. Its the way of the universe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227333-the-terminus-decree/page/3/#findComment-2812530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 He'd probably come back vastly MORE powerful.Every time "he" used to do it "he" came back with the same power. Now, his thousands of souls have very probably been augmented by the utterly innumerable number of souls sacrificed to him and who died in his name. He would very probably be reborn as what could truly be called The God-Emperor. Back then warp was clean and soul transfusion was easy. Now, who knows how many souls go to Chaos gods' belly ? BTW, GW probably dropped "the Emperor is a culmination of shamans' souls" stuff. I know i'd rather prefer Emperor's past shrouded. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227333-the-terminus-decree/page/3/#findComment-2812588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMan Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Custodes would win. Space Marine < Grey Knight < Custode < Primarch < Emperor. Its the way of the universe. Current Custodes, probably not so much. Aren't they a shadow of their former glory? They did fail in their one task, after all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227333-the-terminus-decree/page/3/#findComment-2812631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeslikethunder Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 I'm sure it says it has something to do with the throne in the GK book. Could cause the Gateway under the throne to close but doubt it. I'm with the the emperor reborn theory group. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227333-the-terminus-decree/page/3/#findComment-2812679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 The process to make Custodes hasn't changed, and its not like the Emperor of mankind would be guarded by dudes less powerful than Space Marines or their Wardian Uber-cousins. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227333-the-terminus-decree/page/3/#findComment-2812701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMan Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 I thought they didn't wear armour anymore or something. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227333-the-terminus-decree/page/3/#findComment-2812730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeslikethunder Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 they wear same armour always did far as i know the HH books have them lighter armoured than the SM's even back then Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227333-the-terminus-decree/page/3/#findComment-2812734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Just because they dont have it on doesnt mean they dont wear it :whistling: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227333-the-terminus-decree/page/3/#findComment-2812760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMan Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Touche'. I guess even Custodes need to feel the breeze now and then. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227333-the-terminus-decree/page/3/#findComment-2812807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 13th Goat Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 I thought they didn't wear armour anymore or something. What, so their like naked? Finally, Abaddon walked through the doors to the chamber. 10'000 years, and finally his crusade was at an end. Upon a throne enshrined in sparkling gold stood the emaciated form of a "God". Stalking forward with baited breath, he could taste it. The fumes of machines and censers, the decaying flesh of its form, the.......wait, what was that? "HOLD!" Turning, Abaddon faced for the first time in his life a sight that caused his bowels to clench in terror. Standing before him stood 30 giants, skin soaked with sweat and completly naked. But the worst part was the smiles each of them wore..... Abaddon suddenly realised why the Custodians had never stepped foot outside since the heresy.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227333-the-terminus-decree/page/3/#findComment-2812820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 *It's raining post-humans, Hallelujah* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227333-the-terminus-decree/page/3/#findComment-2812830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradill Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 It's the recipe for a peanut butter and jelly sandwich ('jelly' used in the American term, due to their invention of the delicious treat.) When the galaxy is falling apart, the Emperor is dead and the forces of chaos are closing in all around, a good PB&J seems like it solves all problems... Paradill Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227333-the-terminus-decree/page/3/#findComment-2812847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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