Jim Shady Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 After reading Savage Weapons in Age of Darkness, I wondered who from each legion (No Primarchs, just Marines.), who'd win in say, a tournament. ADB wrote that Alajos was one of the finest swordsmen in the legion and he suspected that there were a small number in the other legions who could beat him. The ones named were Abaddon, Jubal Khan from the WS and Sigismund from IF and Sevatar from NL. So would you agree with the last 4? Who else from the rest of the legions do you think could make up the small number of Marines in this select group. I would say it looks like it's going to be the First Captains who'd more or less make the numbers here so I'd think that Raldoron of BA would be another who'd be in the group. I'd also say Lucius would be able to best definatly Alajos and could give the others a good duel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Gabriel Santar could kick everyone's a. . . . oh wait. Never mind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/#findComment-2791782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Erebus, Lucius, Nicodemus, Khârn, Raldoron and that Grey Knight iniator called Janus but i don't know his original legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/#findComment-2791789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codicier Lucion Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Alpharius. Because his entire legion is him. Thus he must be a space marine. In all seriousness though, probably Loken due to what failed to kill him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/#findComment-2791796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texpef Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Cant see Erebus being much of a fighter more a sneaky worm who would cheat or run away rather than face a stand up fight... god i hate him..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/#findComment-2791873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 +1 for Lucius as a candidate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/#findComment-2791877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradill Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 As aptly demonstrated in Horus Rising, we need to take into account the different fighting styles of individuals.. No matter how fine a swordsman he is, no matter how much practice he has or techniques he learns, a good punch to the face will still knock him down.. With this in mind, I vote Abaddon, the rough and tumble fighting style of the Luna Wolves combined with awe inspiring skill in close combat. If we're going for a toe to toe sword fight, I think it's less about skill, with so many Astartes at the peak of their abilities, it's going to be whichever one of them is distracted by something shiny first. Paradill Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/#findComment-2791881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Cant see Erebus being much of a fighter more a sneaky worm who would cheat or run away rather than face a stand up fight... god i hate him..... Nope he's a warrior of superlative skill. He withstood Lucius 16 minutes without one dominating the other. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/#findComment-2791886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sponsra Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Whos Nicodemus? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/#findComment-2791887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Whos Nicodemus? Tetrarch and bodyguard of Guilliman, you can see him in Iron Within. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/#findComment-2791888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khestra the Unbeheld Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Cant see Erebus being much of a fighter more a sneaky worm who would cheat or run away rather than face a stand up fight... god i hate him..... Oh, you couldn't be more mistaken about Erebus. While he is a demagogue almost without peer, he's also extremely well-versed in single combat, probably more so even than Kor Phaeron albeit lacking in Kor Phaeron's tactical acumen and battlefield presence. You don't sit at the top of the Council of Sicarus for ten thousand years and not be able to put the boots to some upstart at the drop of any hat. It would be a really tough call for some of these, though. The Night Lords were chock full of exquisite killers, for example. Other Legions we just don't know enough about because we've had very little POV of them in the Heresy series so far. I'm withholding judgment until we have enough to go on for them all before I start name-dropping per Legion just out of familiarity. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/#findComment-2791911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Journeyman Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Brother-Captain Alessio Cortez! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/#findComment-2791914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzdougs Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Post-operation (Fabius' tinkering) Lucius could handle most of the other candidates fairly comfortably in my opinion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/#findComment-2791931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 I'd say Lucius as well, simply because even if he lost he'd win. On raw skill and fighting power though probably Abbadon. Disagree with Khârn, didnt Loken or Torgaddon kill him before he was immortal? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/#findComment-2791976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Shady Posted June 14, 2011 Author Share Posted June 14, 2011 I'd say Lucius as well, simply because even if he lost he'd win.On raw skill and fighting power though probably Abbadon. Disagree with Khârn, didnt Loken or Torgaddon kill him before he was immortal? Loken impaled him on the front of a Rhino. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/#findComment-2792449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMan Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Just a flesh wound. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/#findComment-2792487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necris Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 My votes go for in no particular order Abbadon 1st Captain of the Luna Wolves and all round killer bad ass Lucius peerless swordsman within the Emperors Children only one of them that could go toe to toe with the Megarachnids even playing with them Loken - kicked Lucius' arse and was going toe to toe with abbadon despite abb being in termi armour Garro - equal to loken unable to best him in combat Nicodemus - Gullimans personal bodyguard Sevatar - noted as a peerless warrior makes short work of two Dark Angle Captains Sigismund - the first Emperors Champion has got to say something Khan - berzerker without equal Zadkiel - an expert swordsman, able to fend off two marines with ease Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/#findComment-2792589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droma Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 I'd have to add Astelan and Corswain to the list from the DA. Probably with Corswain on top, to hang with a primarch that long even one that is distracted is a major thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/#findComment-2792618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 I love these little snippets of information in 40k novels! As objectively as I can, I'd say it is very hard to determine without more depth of information, but I'm leaning towards Sigismund. He was name Emperor's Champion when it really meant you were the Champion of the Emperor (instead of every engagement having 1 like now!). He was given the title over even Jubal Khan of the White Scars, who fought alongside the Fists on Terra. That counts for something. Not only that, but he already has a reputation, then goes on to fell a whole bunch of Chaos Champions THEN survives to found the Black Templars! That's a spicy meatball! Abaddon is another obvious choice of course. Special mention must go to Nicodemas, who was so bad he killed 2 Honour Guard of the Son's of Horus whilst under fire and wounded (!), then a Son's Captain is so fearful of him he drops his pistol! That reeks of a scary customer! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/#findComment-2792635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirax Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Post-operation (Fabius' tinkering) Lucius could handle most of the other candidates fairly comfortably in my opinion. The idea of a post-op Lucius doesn't do well for the Legion's sexual repetoire... *Sorry for any offence caused to any member of this board. I love these little snippets of information in 40k novels! As objectively as I can, I'd say it is very hard to determine without more depth of information, but I'm leaning towards Sigismund. He was name Emperor's Champion when it really meant you were the Champion of the Emperor (instead of every engagement having 1 like now!). He was given the title over even Jubal Khan of the White Scars, who fought alongside the Fists on Terra. That counts for something. Not only that, but he already has a reputation, then goes on to fell a whole bunch of Chaos Champions THEN survives to found the Black Templars! That's a spicy meatball! But to be fair, he bruises easily... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/#findComment-2792637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorns Padawan Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Sigismund ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/#findComment-2792645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zynk Kaladin Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 The best? Loken. His only flaw was his heart. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/#findComment-2792690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Malcharion of the NL is pretty epic too. Killed 3 Loyalist Captains in one battle or something along those lines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/#findComment-2792692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Macab Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Either Loken or Lucius im not sure, Loken strikes me as a better leader, he also has a higher rank (IIRC) as a Captain. but Lucius as a better fighter, going toe to toe with what are effectively Carnifexes and enjoying it. i love Horus Rising B) oh, Erebus too, because he is still alive after 10000 years DM Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/#findComment-2792866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Shady Posted June 15, 2011 Author Share Posted June 15, 2011 I love these little snippets of information in 40k novels! As objectively as I can, I'd say it is very hard to determine without more depth of information, but I'm leaning towards Sigismund. He was name Emperor's Champion when it really meant you were the Champion of the Emperor (instead of every engagement having 1 like now!). He was given the title over even Jubal Khan of the White Scars, who fought alongside the Fists on Terra. That counts for something. Not only that, but he already has a reputation, then goes on to fell a whole bunch of Chaos Champions THEN survives to found the Black Templars! That's a spicy meatball! Abaddon is another obvious choice of course. Special mention must go to Nicodemas, who was so bad he killed 2 Honour Guard of the Son's of Horus whilst under fire and wounded (!), then a Son's Captain is so fearful of him he drops his pistol! That reeks of a scary customer! I'm sure I read somewhere that Sigismund, during the battle of Terra, sought out and killed no less than 14 champions of the traitor legions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/#findComment-2792930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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