Koremu Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 OT: Since Dorn was the last Primarch to go, and since a lot of the loyalist Primarchs had died in the Heresy or had simply disappeared, I bet he would have visited Ultramar to see the fallen Guilliman at some point. A chance to see the last of his brothers, frozen in the moment of his death. Could you imagine that? Standing over your eternally dying brother frozen in his last moments of life... being the last of your brothers... utterly alone...all of the "failure" and the responsibility to rebuild it all resting on your shoulders alone... It almost makes you wonder, deep down inside, if Dorn wanted to die as quickly as possible. As immovable as he was, the burdens weighed too heavily. Compared to seeing your Father-figure plugged into a mechanical horror soul-sucking device of eternal torture simply to preserve his last flicker of life for as long as possible? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/9/#findComment-2809709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMan Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Ive always wondered why Roboute + Dorn allowed the Emperor to be plugged into the throne. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/9/#findComment-2809924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 It was his last wish ;) and maybe they hoped it would revive him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/9/#findComment-2809963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Your second point was wrong, simply by the mindset that was applied. Of course he's been fighting non-stop. Maybe not in personal combat, but he's either been directing a battle or planning for the next one since he got in the Eye (which is counts as fighting the war, which is what I think the intentions were). What else does Abbaddon have to do? Lounge with daemonettes? I don't think so. In a way, he's like Bjorn - consumed by what his father has done and he feels he must fight to prove himself. Also, I think the time he's spent in and out of the Eye has gone both yours and Sigismund's way for Abbaddon at times, and should roughly balance out to ten thousand years. He has to have had time to organise and fight the Black Crusades, after all. Most that that would take place in the EOT though as i said before. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/9/#findComment-2809984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Idaho, I mean no offence but you seem to see this as a loyalist, which isn't typical for you. Your first point was countered by Sigismund (who I agree with both in the fact and in doubt that it was double the time or that the time was grossly extended). Your second point was wrong, simply by the mindset that was applied. Of course he's been fighting non-stop. Maybe not in personal combat, but he's either been directing a battle or planning for the next one since he got in the Eye (which is counts as fighting the war, which is what I think the intentions were). What else does Abbaddon have to do? Lounge with daemonettes? I don't think so. In a way, he's like Bjorn - consumed by what his father has done and he feels he must fight to prove himself. Also, I think the time he's spent in and out of the Eye has gone both yours and Sigismund's way for Abbaddon at times, and should roughly balance out to ten thousand years. He has to have had time to organise and fight the Black Crusades, after all. Actually you are right. In my mission to be pedantic (or a good Ultramarine - however you want to see it!) I missed out the fact it is undeniable Abbadon is older than most Loyalists (maybe The Sanguinor) regardless of time dilution, so it was a moot point really! Your point being he wouldn't live so long at the top without being a consumate warrior is entirely correct of course. As such I rescind my statement and would like to reiterate my belief it is so far between him and Sigismund who are top dogs. Cheers! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/9/#findComment-2810062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Apostle Thirst Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Idaho, I mean no offence but you seem to see this as a loyalist, which isn't typical for you. Your first point was countered by Sigismund (who I agree with both in the fact and in doubt that it was double the time or that the time was grossly extended). Your second point was wrong, simply by the mindset that was applied. Of course he's been fighting non-stop. Maybe not in personal combat, but he's either been directing a battle or planning for the next one since he got in the Eye (which is counts as fighting the war, which is what I think the intentions were). What else does Abbaddon have to do? Lounge with daemonettes? I don't think so. In a way, he's like Bjorn - consumed by what his father has done and he feels he must fight to prove himself. Also, I think the time he's spent in and out of the Eye has gone both yours and Sigismund's way for Abbaddon at times, and should roughly balance out to ten thousand years. He has to have had time to organise and fight the Black Crusades, after all. Actually you are right. In my mission to be pedantic (or a good Ultramarine - however you want to see it!) I missed out the fact it is undeniable Abbadon is older than most Loyalists (maybe The Sanguinor) regardless of time dilution, so it was a moot point really! Your point being he wouldn't live so long at the top without being a consumate warrior is entirely correct of course. As such I rescind my statement and would like to reiterate my belief it is so far between him and Sigismund who are top dogs. Cheers! That was not a point I made.. but it applies :P Again, I hope no offence was caused. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/9/#findComment-2810143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Ive always wondered why Roboute + Dorn allowed the Emperor to be plugged into the throne. In Collected Visions the Emperor makes his wish to be plugged in very clear to Dorn. The Khan advises against this, but Dorn says something along the lines of: "We have no idea what this thing does, but the Emperor does and he wants to be plugged in." So in he goes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/9/#findComment-2810222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Really? I thought you said it? Ha, no I was making a judgement call on the implication of a long lived champion of Chaos being the obvious follow up to discussion of Abbadon's longevity. Don't worry about being offensive, you've been a gentleman in your posts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/9/#findComment-2810227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justcar Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Do psykers count?? Because in an "anything goes" duel/cage match. ANY of the Thousand Sons Captains would probably be able to win: My vote would go for either Hathor Matt or Phosis T'Kar, Hathor could simply de-oxygenate their blood and overload their nervous systems. Phosis could create a kine shield to fend of attacks (he was strong enough to protect the primarch form a titan's attack) and snap their bones or crash them against walls until their dead. If the fight would allow psykers, they would win. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/9/#findComment-2811661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumah Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 Do psykers count?? Because in an "anything goes" duel/cage match. ANY of the Thousand Sons Captains would probably be able to win: My vote would go for either Hathor Matt or Phosis T'Kar, Hathor could simply de-oxygenate their blood and overload their nervous systems. Phosis could create a kine shield to fend of attacks (he was strong enough to protect the primarch form a titan's attack) and snap their bones or crash them against walls until their dead. If the fight would allow psykers, they would win. I'm inclined to agree with you. I think Ahriman was potentially the most powerful of all the Thousand Sons and therefore capable of defeating any opponent bar a primarch (and the Emperor of course), but his personal philosophy and reserved demeanor in regards to his abilities would likely see him holding back in all but the most extreme circumstances. They may not have stated it outright, but I feel like Ahriman could have, if he so chose, mastered many of the other cult practices besides those of the Corvidae. And indeed, given where he's at now, he seems to have done just that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/9/#findComment-2814369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 I'm inclined to agree with you. I think Ahriman was potentially the most powerful of all the Thousand Sons and therefore capable of defeating any opponent bar a primarch (and the Emperor of course), but his personal philosophy and reserved demeanor in regards to his abilities would likely see him holding back in all but the most extreme circumstances. They may not have stated it outright, but I feel like Ahriman could have, if he so chose, mastered many of the other cult practices besides those of the Corvidae. And indeed, given where he's at now, he seems to have done just that. Agree. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/9/#findComment-2814372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 Finished reading Battle of the Fang, i think the best marine would come from Space Wolves. These guys are just league above from standard SM. No wonder why Russ was able to beat Magnus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/9/#findComment-2814393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDVoid Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Lucius, Loken and Garro with Sigismund Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232098-best-marine-from-a-legion/page/9/#findComment-2814818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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