horizon Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 For starters, here is my usual 1500pts renegade list: Desolator Class Battleship Styx Class Heavy Cruiser Carnage Class Cruiser Carnage Class Cruiser Slaughter Class Cruiser 6x Infidel Class 3x Iconoclast Class + 1 Repulsive when upping to 1750. ;) From this I would take the following for 1000pts: Styx Class Heavy Cruiser Carnage Class Cruiser Carnage Class Cruiser Slaughter Class Cruiser 4x Infidel Class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Ciaphas Posted May 21, 2012 Author Share Posted May 21, 2012 Cheers And how about marks, warmasters or chaos lords? How do they figure in? And upgrades on any of them? Regards, Master Ciaphas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horizon Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Hey, The regular Ld8 Warmaster from the Gothic Incursion list for me. (50pts). If a mark is taken it is the Tzeentch one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Ciaphas Posted May 22, 2012 Author Share Posted May 22, 2012 Hail Well, cheers. How would you make a 1000points list with what I have available? :-) Regards, Master Ciaphas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horizon Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 I would go for this: Lord ld8 Acheron 2x Carnage 2x Devestation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Ciaphas Posted May 23, 2012 Author Share Posted May 23, 2012 Hail Excellent. Thank you. I guess that I had better order up a few escorts then, as it seems they would serve me nicely against the foul xeno Eldar... IF you had to construct a list around a Desolator-class battleship to take on a Marine list, composed of: 5 Strike cruisers (extra shields, bombardment cannons) 6 Nova escorts 6 Gladius escorts How would you go about it? Regards, Master Ciaphas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horizon Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Take the 1000pts list. Add Desolator. Add the unmade cruiser. A second acheron is what would make it a great Chaos fleet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Hail Excellent. Thank you. I guess that I had better order up a few escorts then, as it seems they would serve me nicely against the foul xeno Eldar... IF you had to construct a list around a Desolator-class battleship to take on a Marine list, composed of: 5 Strike cruisers (extra shields, bombardment cannons) 6 Nova escorts 6 Gladius escorts How would you go about it? Regards, Master Ciaphas Chaos escorts aren't that wonderful compared to Imperials or loyalists. You can make them work of course, I like the Idolator for the long range accurate WB and lances but its pricey per ship. Against marines, remember that they main way the play is hit&run and boarding actions. They are a fast and close range fleet but they really lack any significant way to hurt you at range. Bring enough lances to shred his strike cruisers and enough fighters to keep any thunderhawks busy, after that the escorts should be easy pickings for WB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother_Angelus Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Hail Excellent. Thank you. I guess that I had better order up a few escorts then, as it seems they would serve me nicely against the foul xeno Eldar... IF you had to construct a list around a Desolator-class battleship to take on a Marine list, composed of: 5 Strike cruisers (extra shields, bombardment cannons) 6 Nova escorts 6 Gladius escorts How would you go about it? Regards, Master Ciaphas Thats not a legal SM list is it? The strike cruisers with extra bombardment must be equal to or less in number than un-modified strike cruisers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horizon Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Good catch Brother Angelus, that is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Ciaphas Posted May 24, 2012 Author Share Posted May 24, 2012 Hail! Thank you for your replies - it is greatly appreciated! I have played but one game, where the marines were present - and as far as I recall, both the marine player's cruisers had extra shields and bombardment cannons - pretty devastating! We played the "Cruiser Clash" mission with the points limit of 180 pr cruiser, so I fielded 2 Carnages and my fellow player deployed 2 Slaughters. This was faced with 2 Marine Strike Cruisers w. extra shields and bombardment cannons and 2 Eldar Wraithships with Eldar Phantom Pulsars and torpoedes/attack craft. Based on the advice from Mr. Horizon, I went to the local GW yesterday, and placed an order for 6 Infidels and 3 Iconoclasts, as well as a further 2 cruisers. That will give me sufficient turrets to assemble the last unmade cruiser as an Acheron, as well as to field either two Murders or perhaps even build a Styx and a third Carnage? Oh, yes - also, when this is all painted and done, I will start to look into planetary defences, mine fields and so on - and perhaps even the Blackstone Fortress. Do any of you have experience with this Ultimate Weapon of Doom ? Recommendations? :-) Thanks!!!! Regards Master Ciaphas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother_Angelus Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 If the Marine player is dead set on replacing his bays with bombardment (although he is restricted, as previously mentioned) then up the ordnance output in your fleet. A Styx is ideal for upping the ante in that regard. With a few waves of torps from the Desolation, bombers from the Styx, and minimal thunderhawk interception, he'll be more concerned with them than firing on your cruisers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Ciaphas Posted May 24, 2012 Author Share Posted May 24, 2012 Hail! Ah, yes, the Styx - it is actually a fantastic looking heavy cruiser... So, and "anti" Marine list would be something along the lines of LD8 Chaos Lord Desolation Styx Acheron 2 x Devastations 2 x Carnages Or is this entirely off? Regards, Master Ciaphas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horizon Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Alas, since you need a Lord/Warmaster in the Chaos fleet that fleet is illegal. It comes to 1490pts without a warmaster. In a campaign it would be legal though. Desolator 2x Acheron 2x Devestation 2x Carnage is already pretty anti-marine. 12 lances @ 60cm from one side port/starboard is pretty devestating for 6+ armour Strike Cruisers. Use the weapon batteries from the Carnages to soften them up with a little luck at distance. Use assault boats vs Strike Cruisers. Bombers vs them is wasted. edit: if you want a Styx: Desolator 1x Styx 1x Acheron 1x Devestation 2x Carnage escorts Or if you want lots of ordnance swap a Carnage for a Devestation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Ciaphas Posted May 28, 2012 Author Share Posted May 28, 2012 Hail! Well, today our BFG campaign finally kicked off. We played two games; one with my Chaos fleet vs Eldar, and one game of Space Marines vs. Eldar. Here is my 2000 point roster to date along with the fluff: "The Crimson Armada Led by a being known solely as "The Ascended", the Crimson Armada has left its berth in the space docks above Shadowhold. Dividing the fleet, one part has been sent towards Regulus IV, under command of Khorlak Daemonsoul. The other has been given secret orders and it's whereabouts are currently unknown. The Imperial strategos estimate, that the strength of the Crimson Armada is currently the following: Reaper's Scythe - 300 pts (Desolator-class battleship, flagship of the Armada, under the personal command of The Ascended) The Loathsome - 230 pts (Repulsive-class grand cruiser) The Malevolence - 190 pts (Acheron-class heavy cruiser, Ld 6) Ahesver - 190 pts (Devastation-class cruiser, Ld 9) Devastation's Hand - 190 pts (Devastation-class cruiser, Ld 6, Ld 7) - Devastation's Hand was responsible for the destruction of several Eldar vessels in the space surrounding Regulus IV, during the opening phases of the Nocturne Nebula Conflagration. It's crew gained confidence, and the command staff improved it's leadership skills. The Maleficarum - 180 pts (Carnage-class cruiser, Ld 7) - Sustained light damage over Regulus IV from the Eldar Wraithship "Tear of Isha" The Eternal Torment - 180 pts (Carnage-class cruiser, Ld 8 ) Total: 1460 pts The remainder of the Crimson Armada is currently unknown." And here, for your pleasure, is the first battle report and it's result: "Battlefleet Gothic - Battle I - Chariots of the True Gods The space surrounding Regulus IV was filled with exhausted minining asteroids and other debris left by the colonization of an entire star system. It was through this void that the graceful voidcraft of Craftworld Rhiadan sailed on the solar winds. Led by the inestimable Autarch-Admiral Solamnis Thatueil, the fleet drew ever closer to Regulus IV. His orders were simple: claim space supremacy from the Mon-Keigh, and land support for Farseer Martok Stargazer's ongoing attack on the surface. With grim determination, Admiral Thatueil advanced his fleet with all due haste. Before long however, he was alerted by his communications station. "Sir!" the ensign cried out "Enemy contacts; closing fast from deep voidward..." Thatueil smiled - finally, his crews would spill the blood of enemies! *** *** *** Khorlak Daemonsoul looked hungrily at the auspex reads..."Eldar...souls", he growled, saliva dripping down his chin, glistning from a mouth filled with rows upon rows of shark-like dentures. Reaching with one taloned fist, he grabbed an unlucky menial by the cuff. Pulling him closer, Khorlak wheezed into the shivering man's face, a foul odor escaping from his throat "Signal all...ships...to attack..." http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/Master_Ciaphas/WharPriceVictoryII020.jpg The Crimson Armada fleet composed of the Acheron-class cruiser "Malevolence", carrying the standard of Khorlad Daemonsoul, the Carnage-class cruisers "Eternal Torment" & "Maleficarum" and the infamous Devatation-class cruisers "Ahesver" & "Devastation's Hand". Across the gulf of space are the Shadowhunter escorts as well as the Wraithships "Void Dancer" & "Isha's Arrow" led by Admiral Thatueil's flagship, the Dragonship "Shadow Prism". http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/Master_Ciaphas/WharPriceVictoryII019.jpg Blasting forward, powered by enourmous plasma engines, the Renegade fleet sped east systemwise, maintaing a careful line. Their first volley managed to obliterate two unlucky Shadowhunters, and were fortunate enough to wreck the keel launch bays on "Shadow Prism". The two Devastations took a route around a nearby asteroid field, shielding themselves from Eldar retribution, whilst launching Swiftdeath fighters to perform CAP duties around the Ahesver and the two Carnages. In reply, the Eldar force sailed forward, but much to the frustration of Admiral Thatueil, they failed to do any damage to the Renegades. Powering up their weapon batteries, the Carnages prepared to let the full wrath of their warcruisers hit the foul, soft Eldar vessels. Letting the armaments fly, the Shadow Prism was struck repeatedly, it's hull cracking under the strain. The crew braced as best they could, but the truth was clear: the vessel was floundering, and starting to break up. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/Master_Ciaphas/WharPriceVictoryII021.jpg *** *** *** Admiral Thatueil grabbed the handrail. His beautiful ship, victor of a hundred void battles, was being bested by primitive mon-Keigh ships. It was with a heavy heart, that he gave the order to abandon ship. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/Master_Ciaphas/WharPriceVictoryII022.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/Master_Ciaphas/WharPriceVictoryII023.jpg *** *** *** In the depth of the void, the stricken Shadow Prism continued into the void; it had been set ablaze, and was untenable. A good portion of the crew had managed to make to the emergency Webways, but many Eldar had lost their lives here. The Prism would be their tomb for many, many centuries to come, until a lone Craftworld ranger, would dare set foot on it, to reclaim the soulstones... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/Master_Ciaphas/WharPriceVictoryII024.jpg Result: The Crimson Armada: + 8 reknown No ships crippled or lost Devastation's Hand - experienced; +1Ld Craftworld Rhiadan: Shadow Prism - hulked Void Dancer - hulked Shadowhunter squadron w. weapon batteries - crippled; -1Ld Shadowhunter squadron w. pulsars - experienced; expert gunnery crews" C&C is more than welcome, and I would appreciate any questions and discussion about tactics... Regards, Master Ciaphas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperorOfMankind Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Hail victorious champion! Looks like you did well there my friend! thanks for the batrep. By the looks of things you flanked the Eldar quite well and blew them to pieces! Did the Eldar player tell you what his plan was after the battle, or was he just reacting to your attack all battle? Were you Involved at all with the other battle? when do you think you'll play again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horizon Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Well played, that is all I can say. The Eldar fleet was not optimized in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Ciaphas Posted May 31, 2012 Author Share Posted May 31, 2012 Hail! Thank you both - it was a pleasure not to see my fleet get blown out of the void. The Eldar spent the game trying to hide behind the moon, but were mainly reacting to my movements. I tried to keep the fleet in line, and broadside him as much as I could. Horizon; how should his 1000 point fleet have been then? The Eldar took even worse damage in the second game, where they faced a Marine fleet with nothing but bombardment cannons and escorts with weapon batteries - but it took a lot longer for the Marine player to pound the Eldar to dust. Regards, Master Ciaphas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demoulius Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 nice batrep :P poor eldar player though, hes losing his entire fleet in the first 2 games of the campaign :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horizon Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Eldar losing to Marines.... tssk. To be honest the updated Marines do have a chance now. Question does the Marine roster follow the rules as in: bombardment cannon variants may not exceed non-bombardment cannon variants. For the games itself it does not matter as you can take anything from youtr roster, but the campaign roster has to be legal (aka an Imperial player could take an Emperor BB + 6 Cobra's in a campaign game). The Eldar player has too many Shadowhunters. Fluffywise these little ships are only a last line defence of a Craftworld or scouts. I'd go for Dragonship + 4 Wraitships. aspect warriors, vampire raiders, admiral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Ciaphas Posted June 1, 2012 Author Share Posted June 1, 2012 Hail! Thank you :-) Yes, the Marine player did follow the rules as per bombardment cannons. He had 4 Strike Cruisers total: 2 with extra bombards and 2 with launch bays and bombards. As for me, I now have three unmade cruisers lying on my desk, along with 6 Infidels and 3 Iconoclasts, which I will be making and painting here in June. Any suggestions on how to assemble the cruisers? (One is earmarked to becoming an Acheron-class heavy cruiser) Cheers! Regards, Master Ciaphas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horizon Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Two unmade? 2 Slaughters (so you can vary and have a fast brutal squadron available). or a Styx to bolster your ordnance. hmmm, A Styx and a Slaughter. Use the slaughter with the escorts... (lolz, that is what I do myself <_< ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Ciaphas Posted June 3, 2012 Author Share Posted June 3, 2012 Hail Yep - indeed - two yet unmade. I have looked at the suggestions, and I think I will go for two Slaughters. Yesterday was spent putting together and removing flash. Here you can see it all at the start of the day: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/Master_Ciaphas/BFG-June002.jpg A few hours later, it had been turned into this impressive formation: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/Master_Ciaphas/BFG-June003.jpg As might be evident, there are 6 Infidel escorts, 3 Iconoclast escorts, 2 Slaughter-class cruisers and one Acheron-class heavy cruiser. The Acheron and the Iconoclasts will be painted in the same scheme as my Devastation-class cruisers, while the rest (Slaughters and Infidels) will be painted in the your standard "Renegade Red" with gold trimmings. I hope you will enjoy! Regards, Master Ciaphas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanguinius Chosen Wing Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Did you enjoy the second game a lot more? Or is it just that you have invested rather heavily to play the other guys and are going along with it? In any case the ships are looking brilliant, I really wanted to do a chaos fleet but my mate already had the, so it looks like I will be doing plain imperial. Unless i decide to be a bit gamey and take the necrons who seem outrageously tough Anyway good luck I'll follow this thread with interest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Ciaphas Posted June 6, 2012 Author Share Posted June 6, 2012 Hail! I did indeed enjoy the second game a lot more than the first. I think the problem with the first game was that 1) I (rather we) did not know the rules and 2) I was forced to take two ships I did "feel" for, on account of the 180 point cap in the Cruiser Clash scenario. With regards to the investment, it is actually not that bad - less than DKK 800 spent for all those tiny ships...it is ok. I am almost done with my 6 Infidel escorts, and I hope to have pictures of them on the blog within the next couple of days, Sunday at the latest :-) Regards, Master Ciaphas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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