Balthamal Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 I'll keep this fairly short and to the point since I need to pick up the slack at work that went quickly by the wayside in order to read this novel. It is quite simply one of the top three heresy novels both from the depth added to characters who varied between having a lot and having none, and from some of the plot twists which are quite frankly mindblowing. There are familiar themes explored that have seen the light of day from other authors (Dan Abnett foremost) and some fresh ideas that put a wonderful spin on some already existing theories. Oh and Lorgar. How I hate you more than anyone save your :lol: Erebus and Kor Phaeron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Indeed. Best part was Archmagos molesting Contemptor Dreadnought. I notice Erebus shaming is becoming a pattern though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted December 14, 2012 Author Share Posted December 14, 2012 If i didn't know he lived through to 40k I'd have cried when Khârn went to chew through his spine and he vanished. Pity about Argel Tal but given the revalations about Cyrene, are we about to see the birth of rumours making Argel Tal a Knight Errant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 If i didn't know he lived through to 40k I'd have cried when Khârn went to chew through his spine and he vanished. Pity about Argel Tal but given the revalations about Cyrene, are we about to see the birth of rumours making Argel Tal a Knight Errant I follow ADB's FBand his blog, and I believe I remember him saying in one of those (probably his blog) that Argel Tal was to die at the Siege of Terra. WLK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 If i didn't know he lived through to 40k I'd have cried when Khârn went to chew through his spine and he vanished. Pity about Argel Tal but given the revalations about Cyrene, are we about to see the birth of rumours making Argel Tal a Knight Errant I follow ADB's FBand his blog, and I believe I remember him saying in one of those (probably his blog) that Argel Tal was to die at the Siege of Terra. WLK I'm fairly sure you're correct, brother. I seem to remember the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ju'kosian Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 damn now I'm so curious to know what happens with Argel Tal, one of my fav characters.. Argel Tal is supposed to Die at the siege of terra.. (by the hand of Sanguinius).. As Raum (his demon) says : in the prescence of great wings we die.. (or something like that) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 damn now I'm so curious to know what happens with Argel Tal, one of my fav characters.. Argel Tal is supposed to Die at the siege of terra.. (by the hand of Sanguinius).. As Raum (his demon) says : in the prescence of great wings we die.. (or something like that) I think We will die in the shadow of great wings and there is only one person we know of who has a pair of big-ass wings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Uh yeah. There's also the fact that in Aurelian Lorgar has a vision in which he is seeing the Siege of Terra and Argel Tal has completely metamorphosed into a daemon and is killed by Sangy. That said, it's quite likely that it won't play out exactly as it's been telegraphed just like how Talos's visions in Soul Hunter ended up being not quite accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Don't have Aurelian so I wouldn't know. But you may be right on the vision front, from what we can tell from most of the seers that have been shown (even the Eldar at the end of Void Stalker) that visions can be misentepretated and end up happing in a different location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vazzy Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Ahhh, my brother's, how to describe this novel. Stellar, just topped my list of favorite novels. Argal Tal, oh my Argal Tal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 its going to be a long wait for the paperback... WLK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lepaca Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Would anyone be so kind as to write a short summary, please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 ]The book is a continuation of the audio drama Butcher's Nails It reveals a LOT about the World Eaters. I want to compliment ADB on adding huge amount of depth to a traditional (and might I say boring) one-sided Legion/Chapter. You have the Lorgar and Angron heading to the most well-defended Ultramar planet. Magnus, who is warp-tele-conferencing with Lorgar, calls it madness. This planet has over a billion defenders, a defense fleet, and some pretty powerful orbital defenses. Lorgar scoff and says trust him as he as an ace up his sleeve. That ace? Two more Furious Abyss-class Battleships. The next planet that their fleet heads to is Angron's homeworld. Here the Big Blue Boss of the Ultramarines surprises them and we have ourselves a proper rumble. It ends up with Angron becoming the Demon Prince we all know today. --- That is the main story. It is a continuation of the Angron story arch. It is a goodun. There is a lot! more in the book. The cabal makes an appearance, Cyrene appears, huge insights into the Primarchs and loads more. You said short summary ;D I thought the book was excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lepaca Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 ]The book is a continuation of the audio drama Butcher's Nails It reveals a LOT about the World Eaters. I want to compliment ADB on adding huge amount of depth to a traditional (and might I say boring) one-sided Legion/Chapter. You have the Lorgar and Angron heading to the most well-defended Ultramar planet. Magnus, who is warp-tele-conferencing with Lorgar, calls it madness. This planet has over a billion defenders, a defense fleet, and some pretty powerful orbital defenses. Lorgar scoff and says trust him as he as an ace up his sleeve. That ace? Two more Furious Abyss-class Battleships. The next planet that their fleet heads to is Angron's homeworld. Here the Big Blue Boss of the Ultramarines surprises them and we have ourselves a proper rumble. It ends up with Angron becoming the Demon Prince we all know today. --- That is the main story. It is a continuation of the Angron story arch. It is a goodun. There is a lot! more in the book. The cabal makes an appearance, Cyrene appears, huge insights into the Primarchs and loads more. Oh, sounds good. But I read something about World Eaters and Word Bearers fighting each other? You said short summary ;D Oh I'd be happy to have a full summary as well. Go on, go nuts! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Angel Scout Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Definetly one of the best in the series, blends and answers quite a few questions that have occurred so far. From now on, think I'll take the origin of the name Angron as stemming from anguish over anger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antiklap Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Hello, I didn't read this book yet and I will not for a moment but...I can't wait for this question... Something about the color change to red/bronze for our world eaters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted December 15, 2012 Author Share Posted December 15, 2012 In short no. Still the blue and white for now. Although given the state of the legion at the end of the novel I'm not sure they care what their colours are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Haven't read it myself, but I'm sure the portion with Angron and his encounter with Russ will be sure to piss people off. As well as Gulliman holding off Angron and Lorgar simultaneously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Haven't read it myself, but I'm sure the portion with Angron and his encounter with Russ will be sure to piss people off. Why? As well as Gulliman holding off Angron and Lorgar simultaneously. No such thing happened. Lorgar broke off after Angron came in, he had to resume to warp song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 I don't know how to spoiler so I don't want to get into the meat of that. Needless to say, more Primarch v. Primarch arguments even though I am aware Russ was not going for the kill. As far as the second, I guess my interpretation was wrong regarding that scene. I haven't read for myself so I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain ChonkE Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Now if my copy would just get here faster! *takes out the Corax whip and starts laying into package and postal delivery workers* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veteran Sergeant Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 I don't know how to spoiler [ spoiler] [/ spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Appreciate it Sarge Okay, regarding that scene, and I haven't read it in it's full context yet, just a blurb, Russ is soundly beaten by Angron and limps away. Now he was trying to take Angron in without killing him which I totally understand, I just feel like ADB did it to cheese off the sons of Russ that frequent these forums, which i think is awesome LOL no wonder he took the sabbatical from these places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowMaster Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Haven't read it myself, but I'm sure the portion with Angron and his encounter with Russ will be sure to piss people off. As well as Gulliman holding off Angron and Lorgar simultaneously. And for those who gonna get mad about said parts...I pity you, I truly pity you. I finished the book in 20 hours, I mean there was absolutely no chance that I could put this book down. In my eyes D-Bowden is a true master of this genre, The Eaters and bearers are legions that I "hate and despise" while the Wolves and Ultras are legions that I adore and in the case of the UM and my Lord Guilliman would even add worship, So this is no case of legion fan-boyism. This is just another one of those masterpieces delivered to us by Aaron that just knocks me out. I don't even know what to say anymore. Bear in mind that The Wolf King was proving a point which was delivered in a perfect way, but since the psychopathic Angron is completely retarded it didn't get through his gorilla mind. Also, what about Vulkan? I'm gonna put my neck out and say that he is being held captive in that labyrinth made by Perturabo (yeah I like to throw these crazy ideas around one in a while) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 I'm with you shadow master, ADB can do no wrong in my eyes. The guy is on another level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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