Beef Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Appreciate it Sarge I just feel like ADB did it to cheese off the sons of Russ that frequent these forums, which i think is awesome LOL no wonder he took the sabbatical from these places. If that was his reason than thats pretty lame, however I am sure he is not that lame Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267769-betrayer/page/2/#findComment-3262248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormbrow II Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 If that was his reason than thats pretty lame, however I am sure he is not that lame I doubt that is the case too, especially when you read his notes post-epilogue. I have to admit I'm a big fan of those as they help to shed some light on the thought processes that go on behind what is put on paper. I would imagine that if it were done just to piss off SW fanboys then it wouldn't have been teased out in such a fashion (how Khârn and Skane saw it and then how Lhoke (sp?) the Dread saw it) and wouldn't have been a very central plank of helping to explain part of Angron's character. The bit where Lorgar has to put it into context for Angron is hilarious. 'We won - I beat up Russ and they ran away.' 'Russ had all of the guns pointed at you and you could have died. Then they left of their own accord.' But, but, I beat up Russ and they ran away.' Betrayer is a masterfully-written piece and arguably the best of the Heresy books so far: go and read it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267769-betrayer/page/2/#findComment-3262263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 I'm a massive Space Wolf fan and also a massive fan of A D-B, as others have said before - he is a masterful writer and I for one will keep reading his work and the various other BL works. I haven't even read this far in the HH storyline - but I'm enjoying the snippets on here, it convinces me to buy and read more of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267769-betrayer/page/2/#findComment-3262264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 That was a joke fellas, merely referring to the page long Primarch battles we have on these here forums. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267769-betrayer/page/2/#findComment-3262301 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMarko Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 That was a joke fellas, merely referring to the page long Primarch battles we have on these here forums. Yeah friend - but you know the people, they will use that as ultimate guide in ranking primarchs...Btw this situation remanids me on Lucius vs Tarvitz duel... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267769-betrayer/page/2/#findComment-3262310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormbrow II Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 That was a joke fellas, merely referring to the page long Primarch battles we have on these here forums. Too soon. Better to kill it before it starts and not have it detract from people's thoughts on Betrayer which is a great book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267769-betrayer/page/2/#findComment-3262389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 On the issue of Leman Russ and Angron, I think it was pretty evident the reasoning behind it and even Lorgar was trying to get it through Angron's thick skull. I also suggest you read the afterword written by ADB, it sums up where he's coming from on the issue of the Space Wolves and Ultramarines, portrayal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267769-betrayer/page/2/#findComment-3262489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epistolary Exander Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Betrayer was an amazing read :D. It does fuel the questions about the Emperor's man management skills thought. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267769-betrayer/page/2/#findComment-3262629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJB Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Read it in a day, awesome... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267769-betrayer/page/2/#findComment-3262634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Looks like Vulcan is not quite dead but pretty close to it, wonder what's going on there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267769-betrayer/page/2/#findComment-3262643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epistolary Exander Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Looks like Vulcan is not quite dead but pretty close to it, wonder what's going on there. Fabius has probabaly cloned him :lol:. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267769-betrayer/page/2/#findComment-3262662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 I don't think any of the Primarchs would kill Vulkan, he's so good to all of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267769-betrayer/page/2/#findComment-3262680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 In short no. Still the blue and white for now. Although given the state of the legion at the end of the novel I'm not sure they care what their colours are Khorne cares not the color of ones clothes..only that they are covered in BLOOD! And I can buy Rob out swordfighting Lorgar and Angron, for swordplay, like all forms of martial endeavour.is merely a debased form of LOGISTICS, vis a vis the maneuver of one sword instead of crates and crates of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267769-betrayer/page/2/#findComment-3262843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Wasn't exactly sword fighting he had two power fists :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267769-betrayer/page/2/#findComment-3262869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Wasn't exactly sword fighting he had two power fists :P In order to manipulate crates easily. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267769-betrayer/page/2/#findComment-3262876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 The Gauntlets of Ultramar finally made an appearance. I remember Roboute fought with a lightning claw and bolter Know No Fear. One wonders what sort of warcraft they practiced on Maccrage, that Guilliman would use lightning claws and power fists as his weapons of choice. Unless in addition to being Consul for Life, Rob was also the Maccrage Open Weight Boxing Champion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267769-betrayer/page/2/#findComment-3262881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Not quite sure they are the Gauntlets of Ultramar, I don't remember him shooting anything. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267769-betrayer/page/2/#findComment-3262882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
karden00 Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Goddamn, I just cant wait to get my hands on this book. Sounds too good to be true! Big Blue Boss kicking ass... Oh this is such a tease! At some point in the HH series, Rob or an Ultramarine is going to say the word 'logistics' and I am gonna just lose my :D. It really is going to happen Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267769-betrayer/page/2/#findComment-3262930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veteran Sergeant Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I apologize for not liking this book. It wasn't fair of me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267769-betrayer/page/2/#findComment-3262951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 And jebus, the last line of the book is just plain awful. It took me an hour to reset my eyes, they rolled so hard. No it isn't. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267769-betrayer/page/2/#findComment-3262964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RapatoR Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Eh guys, holding off someone and fighting someone are two entirely different things. Example: I believe I could hold off an 100 kg object threatening to crush me for a while. But I couldn't lift it from the ground even if I wanted. And characters should be conflicted. It's called giving a depth to a character, you know. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267769-betrayer/page/2/#findComment-3263024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
amaze07 Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Sounds good gonna grab it later on!! can some one please tell me the Vulkan refrences? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267769-betrayer/page/2/#findComment-3263038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupe Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Angron’s face wrenched again, at the mercy of misfiring muscles. ‘What primarch ever needed guarding by lesser men?’ ‘Ferrus,’ Lorgar said softly. ‘Vulkan.’ Angron laughed, the sound rich and true, yet harsh as a bitter wind. ‘It’s good to hear you joke about those weaklings. I was getting bored of you mourning them.’ It was no joke, but Lorgar had no desire to shatter his brother’s fragile good humour. ‘I only mourn the dead,’ Lorgar conceded. ‘I don’t mourn Vulkan.’ ‘He’s as good as dead.’ The World Eater smiled again. ‘I’m sure he wishes he were. That's all there is to it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267769-betrayer/page/2/#findComment-3263040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lepaca Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 And jebus, the last line of the book is just plain awful. It took me an hour to reset my eyes, they rolled so hard. No it isn't. what is it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267769-betrayer/page/2/#findComment-3263044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
amaze07 Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Thanks Lupe!!cant wait to hear vulkans Story!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267769-betrayer/page/2/#findComment-3263055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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