Olis Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 *snip* I'd just like to point out brother, this thread is searching for ships that existed during the heresy. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted January 13, 2013 Author Share Posted January 13, 2013 @ esteemed _veteran _lorenzo: If there is any reference that the ships were relics of the Heresy that'll be great. I have little time to look into it personally (a huge backlog of books to read AND the DA Codex - not to mention that the Taros is not in digital form which makes research a bit more time consuming )... so if you could assist with providing the details that'll be grand! Remember we're only interested in the ships of the Heresy! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esteemed_vetran_lerozo Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Oh sorry my bad. I thought you wanted ANY ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esteemed_vetran_lerozo Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Are astral claws pre-hersy or after the hersey cause I've got some ships from then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 The Astral Claws didn't exist until far after the Horus Heresy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esteemed_vetran_lerozo Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJB Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Salamanders Flamewrought - Vulkans flagship - page 406, The First Heretic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share Posted January 14, 2013 Aha! At last a Salamanders' vessel! Good find there Keith! :tu: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Apostle Thirst Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I have to admit I love this thread. Seriously, like a kid in a candy shop, as my love of fleets and ships is part of why I bear the Davy Jones avatar that I do. That said the last few tables seem to have coding problems and it is cruelly denying me the ability to see the rest of the legions' ships :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Salamanders Flamewrought - Vulkans flagship - page 406, The First Heretic This reminds me,the Industrious of the World Eaters is found in The Face of Treachery, found on page 248 in the Age of Darkness anthology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karden00 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Fun thread! Back in the Battlefleet Gothic rulebook, there was some fluff about how all the Chaos ships were actually old Imperial ships (or at least designs), because at the time of the Heresy, All Imperial ships were like the ones used by Chaos in 40k, the familiar shape being a post heresy, Imperial design. The HH novels seem to really dismiss this. Is there still Any bit of fluffy support to this idea anymore, or is it totally out the window? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share Posted January 14, 2013 I have to admit I love this thread. Seriously, like a kid in a candy shop, as my love of fleets and ships is part of why I bear the Davy Jones avatar that I do. That said the last few tables seem to have coding problems and it is cruelly denying me the ability to see the rest of the legions' ships Glad you like it DAT! Let me tell you, a fair amount of work is behind this - and more is yet to come! I hope this to be an ongoing project and as long as new HH info comes out from any official source this project will never die! Regarding the damaged tables, unfortunately we need to wait - nothing can be done atm... Once the new software overcomes its teething problems everything will be OK! I'm still collecting all the data people give me, but I'm not gonna post until said problems are resolved! So if you come accross something just post it here! Salamanders Flamewrought - Vulkans flagship - page 406, The First Heretic This reminds me,the Industrious of the World Eaters is found in The Face of Treachery, found on page 248 in the Age of Darkness anthology. Industrious? I think it's already included... The ruined tables do not show it but you can find the bits of the code on the upper end of the XII Legion table... Not your fault - the site will eventually be in full speed soon and everything will fall in place! Fun thread! Back in the Battlefleet Gothic rulebook, there was some fluff about how all the Chaos ships were actually old Imperial ships (or at least designs), because at the time of the Heresy, All Imperial ships were like the ones used by Chaos in 40k, the familiar shape being a post heresy, Imperial design. The HH novels seem to really dismiss this. Is there still Any bit of fluffy support to this idea anymore, or is it totally out the window? Glad you like it! I guess a great many ships in 40k could be traced back in the Heresy era. But unless we get a specific mention in the Heresy context (i.e. at least a name) we cannot just take any Chaos ship mentioned and put it here. It's possible that Chaos Marines are "abducting" Imperial ships of post heresy build or even make their own - I recall (can't remember where though) that they had the capacity to build such ships in forgeworlds in the Eye... Oh, I might get this one wrong, but in the end of the day unless there is a specific mention of a ship in the Heresy context it will not be eligible to be listed here.. So good hunting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Semper, yes it was included, but the source isn't. Ironically, it was the fact that I was looking for the name of the Salamander Strike Cruiser in that story that hit the lightbulb. @karden00: It's a give and take sort of thing. Yes, many of the Chaos and Imperial ships are from the Heresy era. Some like the Despoiler- and the Emperor-class battleships are simply new copies of old designs that were discovered on barren worlds and space hulks respectively. However, some like the Acheron-class Heavy Cruiser and the Idolator- and Infidel-class Destroyers are all post-Heresy designs that happen to see extensive use in the fleets of Chaos. And there are similar things with Imperial ships as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Fun thread! Back in the Battlefleet Gothic rulebook, there was some fluff about how all the Chaos ships were actually old Imperial ships (or at least designs), because at the time of the Heresy, All Imperial ships were like the ones used by Chaos in 40k, the familiar shape being a post heresy, Imperial design. The HH novels seem to really dismiss this. Is there still Any bit of fluffy support to this idea anymore, or is it totally out the window? Actually with the exception of a few classes of battleship and the Cobra class DD none of the BFG blue book ships seam to be able to directly trace their designs back to before M32 and most ot the chaos ships date between M33 and M37 with the Imperial ships starting to show up in M36 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share Posted January 14, 2013 Semper, yes it was included, but the source isn't. Ironically, it was the fact that I was looking for the name of the Salamander Strike Cruiser in that story that hit the lightbulb. :lol: The source is included! It can be found in the top of the XII in the form of fragmented code! As I said, not your fault to miss it - this will be rectified once the site is in full speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 if the word bearers had a lot of abyss class ships which were big what made the furious abyss any different and wouldnt the emperor class be the biggest cause like the emperor class titan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Fun thread! Back in the Battlefleet Gothic rulebook, there was some fluff about how all the Chaos ships were actually old Imperial ships (or at least designs), because at the time of the Heresy, All Imperial ships were like the ones used by Chaos in 40k, the familiar shape being a post heresy, Imperial design. The HH novels seem to really dismiss this. Is there still Any bit of fluffy support to this idea anymore, or is it totally out the window? Actually, most of the Chaos ships seem to be post-Heresy designs who turned rogue. Only a few of the larger Imperial designs seem to be truly old designs from pre-Imperial and Crusade times. Which is kind of odd of course...I mean, the Imperium doesn't know how to make a new suit of Terminator armour or a Jetbike, but is perfectly capable of designing totally new ship types... By the way, from the BFG book! More ships! Unknown: (assume Imperial Army, but could also have been part of the Legion fleets back then, since it was only after the Heresy that the Astartes would stop using these types of ships) Legatus Styges - Emperor Class Battleship - Status: Unfinished (as in, being built at the shipyard, it would only be finished two millennia later) - Source: BFG rulebook (page 106) Divine Right - Emperor Class Battleship - Status: stuck on a Space Hulk, lost in the Warp (until found in m36) - Source: BFG rulebook (page 106) Eternity of Pain (renamed that way after going traitor in M33) - Desolator Class Battleship - Status: Turned renegade - Source; BFG rulebook (page 118) Torment (assume that it's also renamed) - Desolator Class Battleship - Status: Captured by pirates and went rogue - Source; BFG rulebook (page 118) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Semper, yes it was included, but the source isn't. Ironically, it was the fact that I was looking for the name of the Salamander Strike Cruiser in that story that hit the lightbulb. :lol: The source is included! It can be found in the top of the XII in the form of fragmented code! As I said, not your fault to miss it - this will be rectified once the site is in full speed. Ah, my apologies then. if the word bearers had a lot of abyss class ships which were big what made the furious abyss any different and wouldnt the emperor class be the biggest cause like the emperor class titan Originally, the Furious Abyss was specially because it was the originally the only kind of its class and in the book, Battle for the Abyss, the Word Bearers commander was constantly bragging about how he was in command of the only ship. It was subtly hinted that his arrogance perpetuated the belief along with a little ignorance. Of course, now there are only three recorded, two surviving, of these ships. Think of them like star forts that can actually move under their own power and were designed to not only be fleet killers, but planet killers at the same time. These things were designed And you would think so with the Emperor-class battleship but no. IIRC, it is battle-ship class but primarily functions as a carrier, not a line breaker. Although it might be the biggest ship that the Imperium uses. Though technically, the Phalanx is still the biggest ship used by the Imperium, via the Imperial Fists, although it is more like a star fort than the Abyss-class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Here two more: Ultramarines. The Argo (destroyed in warp) Source: The Outcast Dead Emperors Children. The Phoenician (destroyed fighting the Diasporex) Source: The Outcast Dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Going through Battle for the Abyss and found Fist of Macragge - Lunar-class battleship - XIII Legion- Destroyed by Furious Abyss Galthalamor-ancient Retribution-class battle cruiser-XVII Legion-annihilated in the conflict ork hordes in the early years of the Great Crusade on the Eastern Fringe Wrathful-cruiser-Segmentum Solar Fleet, THE SATURNINE FLEET-died destroying Furious Abyss. Boundless-old cruiser hull carrier-Segmentum Solar Fleet-Destroyed by Furious Abyss Fearless, Ferox, Ferocious and Fireblade-escort frigates-Segmentum Solar Fleet, THE SATURNINE FLEET-Destroyed by Furious Abyss Waning Moon-strike cruiser-XV Legion-Destroyed by Furious Abyss Camomancer-unknown-XVII Legion-fought at Calth, status unknown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted January 15, 2013 Author Share Posted January 15, 2013 Great stuff malika and Raven Angel! I just finished with notes up to the 8th Legion - and now the BAs where my sanity will be tested - until I reach the XIII where I'm gonna lose it comletely!!! Keep 'em coming guys - front page update will be up once the new site is fully updated... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Hey man, We've been working on a list at the First Expedition forum, you might find some additional info for your list! http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_First_Expedition/index.php?showtopic=122 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Hey man, We've been working on a list at the First Expedition forum, you might find some additional info for your list! http://z13.invisionf...p?showtopic=122 Looks a lot like they've simply nicked our list... Nevermind. The OP there admitted to nicking stuff. Hmm. Is it still plagiarism if they add information not included in the original (page numbers)? :huh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Hey man, We've been working on a list at the First Expedition forum, you might find some additional info for your list! http://z13.invisionf...p?showtopic=122 Looks a lot like they've simply nicked our list... Nevermind. The OP there admitted to nicking stuff. Hmm. Is it still plagiarism if they add information not included in the original (page numbers)? Yeah, most of the list has been taken from here (no need to reinvent the wheel). However, the page numbers have been added by the OP, since the BL editor wanted page numbers there as well. There are also a few tidbits which are not included in this list. Personally I hoped this could have become a collaborative project between the two forums. Captain Semper laid the groundworks, me and other here (and on The First Expedition) have added many ships to the list. The OP over there has added a lot of additional info (such as page numbers) as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Hmm. Well, this is a thing to take up with Semper himself, then, as it's his words and lists that's been directly copied (I notice the opening blurb is a word for word copy). If Semper's feeling like he's cool with it then fair enough, although this Ahriman's Aide fellow would probably need to give credit where it's due in his OP if he wants to avoid any 'undiplomatic' discussions. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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