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I'm actually surprised someone on the wikies didn't do this already and of note is that they have miss labeled Fist of Macragge and Galthalamor. on their lists. Ben Counter's use of terms in the book seamed to make it clear that he knew what he was referencing. I don't think was an error when he referenced Fist of Macragge as a Lunar Class Battleship and Galthalamor as an ancient Retribution-class battle cruiser. I think these represent different classes then Lunar and Retribution classes from BFG. Remember whole fleets would be absorbed int the Imperial Navy during the Crusade and so it is within reason that different worlds might name different classes the same or that names get recycled.
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Iron Warriors. Stonebreaker, Battle Barge. Storm of Iron by Graham McNeill (BL).

But did this ship also serve during the Great Crusade and/or Horus Heresy?

 

I am not sure, I do not think the novel mentions when the vessel was created. Considering how ancient most traitor legions vessels are it is a fair assumption that the Stonebreaker took part in the Great Crusade. I can see where you are coming from for instance most if not all of the Thousand sons vessels from the Battle of the Fang would have been created after the heresy due to Magnus not withdrawing his fleet along with his legion to the Planet of Sorcerers, yet this may be clarified in later Horus Hereys novels.

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OK, I see that another site is making use of our efforts here in a copy/paste kind of way. Although no one claims ownership and this thread is meant to be read and used by those who frequent B&C and the internet in general, I think it's bad manners on their behalf not to explicitly mention us as the originators of this effort. It's even the same wording... :rolleyes:

 

Regardless, we go on and as soon as the site is fully operational again, the tables will be updated. As I said the notes column will include a number of items regarding the ships and people are more than welcome to add or correct anything they feel requires correction. It is supposed to be a communit project after all!

 

Keep posting! :)

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OK, I see that another site is making use of our efforts here in a copy/paste kind of way. Although no one claims ownership and this thread is meant to be read and used by those who frequent B&C and the internet in general, I think it's bad manners on their behalf not to explicitly mention us as the originators of this effort. It's even the same wording... rolleyes.gif

Regardless, we go on and as soon as the site is fully operational again, the tables will be updated. As I said the notes column will include a number of items regarding the ships and people are more than welcome to add or correct anything they feel requires correction. It is supposed to be a communit project after all!

Keep posting! smile.png

The OP over there has updated the opening post, crediting B&C and you for the effort and initiating the project. The list does have some additional info over there, which can hopefully also be used for this one. smile.png So hopefully this could become some sort of "bilateral" thing between the two forums. smile.png

By the way, here two more ships from the First Expedition forum for your list! :D

Resolute - Imperial Army (Therion Cohort) - Battleship - currently active (Deliverance Lost, p.453)

Valediction - Word Bearers - cruiser - destroyed in Istvaan system, dragged into warp rift (Deliverance Lost, pp78-9.)

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Hopefully, we can put this little issue to bed and move on now that credit has been given - with the addition of one paragraph, the problem has been ameliorated. I for one would be interested in cross-forum collaboration. :)
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Awesome! :D If you guys would be interested, Ahriman's Aide has been working hard on getting the correct page numbers for the sources, you might want to check out the ones you've got here and update it if needed.

 

What we notice is that this sort of projects and enthusiasm does influence GW/BL/FW, without us fans Forgeworld wouldn't have made the Horus Heresy models and projects. Perhaps...and this might be a bit ambitious, but perhaps we can get FW do revive BFG and make some Heresy era BFG ships!

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I remember FW promised a while back to remake some of the Titans (and suggested the models would be bigger), but I wonder if they will actually do it. same as that Imperial Armour book with the Minotaurs vs. Iron Warriors that never came...

 

But yeah, if we can push this hard enough for a long time, they'll maybe listen...

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The OP over there has updated the opening post, crediting B&C and you for the effort and initiating the project.

Indeed - it was very decent of them to acknowledge our efforts. As I said before, people are welcome to use our list - after all that's why we're making it - and now etiqeuttte is observed! Cool.

Awesome! biggrin.png If you guys would be interested, Ahriman's Aide has been working hard on getting the correct page numbers for the sources, you might want to check out the ones you've got here and update it if needed.

Now as regards page numbers, the reason that I avoided them to this point is that I'm not sure it's the same pagination in the digital products as it is in the hard copy ones - and in order to avoid confusion I kept away from them... Now I only own the digital versions (and some old hard copies that I can't for the life of me remember where I've put them) so if someone can confirm that the pagination is identical then I'll incoroprate them (I suppose you record the first mention - no?)

What we notice is that this sort of projects and enthusiasm does influence GW/BL/FW, without us fans Forgeworld wouldn't have made the Horus Heresy models and projects. Perhaps...and this might be a bit ambitious, but perhaps we can get FW do revive BFG and make some Heresy era BFG ships!

Actually this might be a cool idea - the rule system of BFG is working fine - all we need is "Legendary Ships of the Heresy" model series - and all hell will break loose! biggrin.png In the novels even the Glorianas fight and (almost) die so yeah, there is room for innovation there FW! msn-wink.gif

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On another note on Page numbers, BL has switched to a Hard-back first, Paperback next policy with the Heresy series. It might be three months in between releases, but if someone gets a paperback comes on here, finds the page number for a hardback, well they will find it on another page. Not sure what their reaction would be, but page numbers would end resulting in a subcategory like page ???(HB), page??(PB) and page ???(DC).
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Here a response from the OP over at TFE:

I don't know, Laurie* asked for the page numbers and I gave them. Most of the standard book page numbers (Not Betrayal of the like) are from the paperbacks, except for those which are not out as trade paperbacks (Betrayer and Angel Exterminatus), where I used the E-book pages, which will be replaced by the paperback pages when they come out.

 

Actually if Laurie can clean up any confusions for us, It can help with making the list.

*Laurie Goulding, Submissions and HH Editor for BL

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By the way, somebody over at The First Expedition also put up the ships he found in the Collected Visions book, some we already have, but there are some new ones as well:

 

I've quickly gone through Collected Visions and have some more info.

 

I should mention that some names are in brackets this represents the fact that they're the artworks name and not necessarily the vessels name. And that the Card Index starts on page 371, so any page numbers of that and higher refer to Cards shown there.

 

 

Imperial Ships:

 

Malcador's Observer (CV page 98; 380)

Aratan, Capital Ship (CV page 32; 380)

Ornatov's Barge, Imperial Navy (CV page 315; 404)

Spirit Of Mars, Cult Mechanicus (CV page 391)

Pride Of Mars, Cult Mechanicus (CV page 315; 404)

 

Chaos Ships:

 

Barge Of The Damned, Chaos Cultists, Transport Ship (CV page 132; 388)

(Pax Chaotica) (CV page 346; 409)

(Chariot Of The Gods) (CV page 409)

 

 

Emperor's Children:

 

Pride Of The Emperor, EC, Battleship (CV page 37; 376)

Erewhon, EC, Battleship (CV page 300; 384)

Longinus, EC, Capital Ship (CV page 285; 384)

(The Agony And The Ecstasy), EC (CV page 335; 409)

Callidora, EC, Battle Barge (CV page 112; 396)

(Stealth), EC, Cruiser (CV page 401)

Andronius, EC, Strike Craft (CV page 190; 391)

Fulgrim's Virtue, EC, Escort (CV page 32, 300; 384)

 

 

Iron Warriors:

 

Contrador, IW (CV page 315; 404)

 

 

Space Wolves:

 

Ragnarok, SW, Flagship (CV page 33; 371)

Wolf Spirit, SW, Battle Barge, 13th Co. (CV page 195; 398)

 

 

Blood Angels:

 

The Crimson Spectre, BA, Battle Barge (CV page 112; 394)

Hermia, BA, Communications Craft (CV page 190; 386)

 

 

World Eaters:

 

The Conqueror, WE, Battle Barge (Angron's) (CV page 301; 381)

Merciless, WE, Battleship (CV page 384)

Gladiator, WE (mislabelled DG), Capital Ship (CV page 38; 376)

Gatts' Charge, WE (CV page 301; 384)

Blood Shrike, WE, Strike Craft (CV page 301; 384)

Silent Fury, WE, Strike Craft (CV page 384)

Cardoc, WE, Transport Ship (CV page 195; 396)

 

 

Ultramarines:

 

Macragge's Honour, Ultras, Flagship (Guilliman's) (CV page 195; 386; 393)

Gauntlet Of Power, Ultras, Battle Barge (CV page 190; 386)

Miatus, Ultras, Strike Craft (CV page 190)

 

 

Death Guard:

 

Endurance, DG, Capital Ship (CV page 32; 384)

The Indomitable Will, DG, Capital Ship (CV page 37; 376)

The Undying, DG (CV page 348; 409)

Reaper's Scythe, DG, Battle Barge (CV page 247; 384)

Stalwart, DG, Battle Barge (CV page 384)

The Spectre Of Death, DG (CV page 303; 381)

Barbaros's Sting, DG, Strike Craft (CV page 35; 376)

 

 

Thousand Sons:

 

Ankhtowe, TS, Strike Craft (CV page 195; 398)

 

 

Sons Of Horus:

 

Vengeful Spirit, SoH, Flagship (CV page 35; 373)

 

 

Word Bearers:

 

Kamiel, WB, Battleship (CV page 112; 395)

Lorgar's Spite, WB, Battleship (CV page 388; 404)

Destiny's Hand, WB (Erebus's), Battle Barge (CV page 112; 395)

Balthamir's Sword, WB (CV page 285; 412)

Faith's Speed, WB, Transport Ship (CV page 132; 388)

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No problems, take your time! :)

 

In the meanwhile, Xisor over at the First Expedition forums has updated the list I previously posted

Did a quick run-through of HH:CV using Gagoc's list. Bear in mind this is by eye. It'd probably be helpful for someone to corroborate or just outright demolish me on this. I'm already feeling apprehensive!

 

A quick note on the Vanquisher Class: http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2011..._Battleship.jpg

 

There's a few unrecognised ones that fit similar profiles, I've categorised them (e.g. Type A is what I think might be the Vanquisher). Could it be a variation on the Long Serpent Class Battlecruiser?

 

Re: Type B - Resemblance to the Furious Class Grand Cruiser seen in BFG Magazine #2?

 

Imperial Ships:

 

Malcador's Observer (CV page 98; 380)

- Unrecognised. (Type A)

Aratan, Capital Ship (CV page 32; 380)

- Unrecognised. (Type A)

Ornatov's Barge, Imperial Navy (CV page 315; 404)

- Orion Class Star Clipper? (With decorative fins?)

Spirit Of Mars, Cult Mechanicus (CV page 391)

- Claymore Class Corvette? (see page 27, Battlefleet Koronus)

Pride Of Mars, Cult Mechanicus (CV page 315; 404)

- Orion Class Star Clipper? (With decorative fins?)

 

 

Chaos Ships:

 

Barge Of The Damned, Chaos Cultists, Transport Ship (CV page 132; 388)

- Unrecognised.

(Pax Chaotica) (CV page 346; 409)

- Space Marine Battle Barge standard

(Chariot Of The Gods) (CV page 409)

- Infidel Class Raider. (Page 125 BFG indicates it's a 40th Millennium design)

 

 

Emperor's Children:

 

Pride Of The Emperor, EC, Battleship (CV page 37; 376)

- Avenger Class Grand Cruiser (by the looks of it: weapon batteries top and bottom, not lances or launch bays)

Erewhon, EC, Battleship (CV page 300; 384)

- Unregonised. (Type A)

Longinus, EC, Capital Ship (CV page 285; 384)

- Claymore Class Corvette? (see page 27, Battlefleet Koronus)

(The Agony And The Ecstasy), EC (CV page 335; 409)

Callidora, EC, Battle Barge (CV page 112; 396)

- Unrecognised. (Type A)

(Stealth), EC, Cruiser (CV page 401)

Andronius, EC, Strike Craft (CV page 190; 391)

- Sword Class Frigate?

Fulgrim's Virtue, EC, Escort (CV page 32, 300; 384)

- Sword Class Frigate.

 

Iron Warriors:

 

Contrador, IW (CV page 315; 404)

- Orion Class Star Clipper? (With decorative fins?)

 

Space Wolves:

 

Ragnarok, SW, Flagship (CV page 33; 371)

- Unrecognised.

Wolf Spirit, SW, Battle Barge, 13th Co. (CV page 195; 398)

- Unrecognised.

 

 

Blood Angels:

 

The Crimson Spectre, BA, Battle Barge (CV page 112; 394)

- Unrecognised

Hermia, BA, Communications Craft (CV page 190; 386)

- Orion Class Star Clipper or Sword Class Frigate.

 

 

World Eaters:

 

The Conqueror, WE, Battle Barge (Angron's) (CV page 301; 381)

- Unrecognised.

Merciless, WE, Battleship (CV page 384)

- Unrecognised

Gladiator, WE (mislabelled DG), Capital Ship (CV page 38; 376)

- Unrecognised

Gatts' Charge, WE (CV page 301; 384)

- Unrecognised (Type B)

Blood Shrike, WE, Strike Craft (CV page 301; 384)

- Orion Class Star Clipper or Sword Class Frigate

Silent Fury, WE, Strike Craft (CV page 384)

- Unrecognised (Type B)

Cardoc, WE, Transport Ship (CV page 195; 396)

- Unrecognised.

 

 

Ultramarines:

 

Macragge's Honour, Ultras, Flagship (Guilliman's) (CV page 195; 386; 393)

- Unrecognised.

Gauntlet Of Power, Ultras, Battle Barge (CV page 190; 386)

- Space Marine Strike Cruiser standard.

Miatus, Ultras, Strike Craft (CV page 190)

- Space Marine Battle Barge standard.

 

 

Death Guard:

 

Endurance, DG, Capital Ship (CV page 32; 384)

- Firestorm Class Frigate.

The Indomitable Will, DG, Capital Ship (CV page 37; 376)

- Unrecognised. (Type A.)

The Undying, DG (CV page 348; 409)

- Space Marine Battle Barge standard.

Reaper's Scythe, DG, Battle Barge (CV page 247; 384)

- Unrecognised. (Could be Emperor Class hull espec. Prow with all-WB sides?)

Stalwart, DG, Battle Barge (CV page 384)

- Unrecognised.

The Spectre Of Death, DG (CV page 303; 381)

- Tyrant Class Cruiser.

Barbaros's Sting, DG, Strike Craft (CV page 35; 376)

- Sword Class Frigate.

 

 

Thousand Sons:

 

Ankhtowe, TS, Strike Craft (CV page 195; 398)

- Unrecognised.

 

Sons Of Horus:

 

Vengeful Spirit, SoH, Flagship (CV page 35; 373)

- Unregonised: Tyrant Class Cruiser or Retribution Class Battleship? (Well, it looks like it - bare armoured prow, weapons battery sides. Could be absolutely massive, anything goes!)

 

Word Bearers:

 

Kamiel, WB, Battleship (CV page 112; 395)

- Unregonised: Retribution Class?

Lorgar's Spite, WB, Battleship (CV page 388; 404)

- Unrecognised. (Type B?)

Destiny's Hand, WB (Erebus's), Battle Barge (CV page 112; 395)

- Space Fleet-era Emperor Capital Ship?

Balthamir's Sword, WB (CV page 285; 412)

- Unrecognised. Endeavour/Dauntless Class Light Cruiser?

Faith's Speed, WB, Transport Ship (CV page 132; 388)

- Unrecognised.

 

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Reorganising to the ones I think look similar:

Type A Vanquisher Class Battleship?

Malcador's Observer (CV page 98; 380)

Aratan, Capital Ship (CV page 32; 380)

The Indomitable Will, DG, Capital Ship (CV page 37; 376)

Erewhon, EC, Battleship (CV page 300; 384)

Callidora, EC, Battle Barge (CV page 112; 396)

 

Type B Furious class Grand Cruiser?

Gatts' Charge, WE (CV page 301; 384)

Silent Fury, WE, Strike Craft (CV page 384)

Lorgar's Spite, WB, Battleship (CV page 388; 404)

 

Now, knowing how quickly the variants balloon (renaming based on a weapons configuration change edges us towards exponential class explosion!), it'd be facile to mandate that these are all therefore the same. Similarly, where I've said 'Space Marine Battlebarge/Strike Cruiser standard' - it's really difficult to commit. That ship hull peddled by GW hasn't been, to my knowledge, given a specific name.

 

Some of the obvious ones hankering for an image, in my mind, are most obviously the Gloriana Class. Could that, perhaps, be the Space Marine Battle Barge 'base type'?

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OK, Crimson Spectre: a SoH or a BA ship? Apparently in Collected visions it is presented as a BA ship. As I haven't read the 'Fear to Tread' but just did a quick search, it appears that Horus gave a direct order to the Crimson Spectre which implies it's a SoH vessel. But are we sure about that? Could it be that as Warmaster, he gave a direct order to one of the BA ships? I will check on the Collected visions later today to make sure but if anyone can claryfy that'll be awesome.
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It does not clarify. All it says is Sanguinius asking which ships Horus has chosen to "remain to administrate compliance." And Horus replies with

'the Sword Argus(just 'Sword Argus') and the Crimson Spectre." As Horus was not yet Warmaster, it would be logical to assume that they are Luna Wolves vessels, but since there is no clarification, I would say that whatever source does show Legion-alliance would take priority in the verification process.

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