Captain Semper Posted January 21, 2013 Author Share Posted January 21, 2013 OK, I'll make a detailed note and we let people know of the descrepancy. Can't do more than that I guess... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/7/#findComment-3290614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 What others think? Well i vote for the Crimson Spectre to be noted as a Blood Angel Ship. The name Crimson Spectre is close to, if not, a Synonym for Blood Angel. I will admit there are some Errors in the Collected Visoins but i think we should use more then just newest is best. Perhaps call it a Blood Angel ship but note its Legion loyalty in question? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/7/#findComment-3290621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Except that in this case, the "newest" is merely implied in the loosest sense while the oldest actually states. I.e. CV says Blood Angels. FtT only states the name of the ship. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/7/#findComment-3290630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epistolary Exander Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Maybe the 2 ships should be placed in the "Other Ships of the Heresy" section and noting that the their parent legion is uncomfirmed but it is likely to be either IX/ IVI legion? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/7/#findComment-3290663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I think ships of unconfirmed affiliation should get their own column, with a note stating which Legion they are suspected as being from. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/7/#findComment-3290690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 You guys are missing the obvious answer. Horus didn't leave SM behind to administer compliance's ever. That was the armies job. This would make the ship an army carrier, not a Legion Strike craft. It is reasonable to assume that an army ship could have the same name as a BA Battle Barge. It is also possible that the BAs named a Barge after a lost ship of an allies to honor sacrifices in war. This is in keeping with the kind of martial traditions of the BAs Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/7/#findComment-3290805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Well, it did say that the ship had Imperial Army units. But so did the Vengeful Spirit. And they were administrating compliance in what would normally be considered a high risk system. Yes, the Nephilim had been beaten, but the human population had undergone some serious mental trauma. It was possible that Horus(who was one campaign away from being Warmaster as Ullanor was next) believed that some Astartes protection would be necessary until compliance was achieved, in which case the Imperial Army units would then be left as a defense force while the Astartes rejoined their Legion(s). Granted, that is all supposition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/7/#findComment-3290815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Here a few more ships: Emperor; Bucephelus - Battle Barge - Source: Horus Heresy Collected Visions (p.143) And there two updates from The First Expedition forum: Found a correction for the Ironwolf in the Space Wolves list - (destroyed by the Dark Eldar prior to razing of Prospero), Tales of Heresy, p.103. Also Thanato - Sons of Horus - is designated a Battleship in Nemesis Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/7/#findComment-3291332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim AMM realgenius Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 What a great resource; thanks to all contributors and maintainers. I've found a few ships I didn't see mentioned in my reading of The Horus Heresy, book 1. Ducroix, unknown legion, Loyalist, torpedo monitor, pg 48 Killing Star, unknown legion, Traitor, battleship, pg 48 Xerxes 9-7-7, Mechanicum Ordo Reductor, Loyalist?, Galleass pg 48 Sunstone, Terran Plenipotentiary, Loyalist, heavy cruiser, pg 48 Minotaur, Sons of Horus, Traitor, strike cruiser, pg 50 Omen, Death Guard, Traitor, relic assault ship, pg 54 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/7/#findComment-3291399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 As for the Crimson Spectre, it could very well be a Blood Angel ship that Horus chose to remain behind. He isn't Warmaster yet, but the two Primarchs appear very close and trust each other explicitly. It's entirely possible that Horus chose a vessel from both Legions to occupy and fortify the conquered world, as both Legions had a hand in conquering it. By the wording and tone of the conversation, Sanguinius seems to fully accept the choice and gives it his backing. However, considering how easy facts can get muddled in 40k, including a separate category for all unknowns could be a good idea. It could include every ship whose allegiance is either in doubt or unknown. As for the conversation about Astartes vessels vs. Army vessels, it's really muddled during the Great Crusade/Horus Heresy. All Imperial forces are divided into Expeditionary Fleets, and all of these Fleets that have an Astartes presence are part of that Legion. The only Army vessels that can be safely separated from a Legion's allegiance would be those from the Fleets without a Legion present. So those ships that Horus leaves behind are Sons of Horus/Luna Wolves, though they may be entirely manned by the Army or serfs rather than any Legionaires. I think the best way to get around this is to include all pure Army vessels into a single category, but specify Legion allegiances where found. So Temba's vessel that was left at Davin, Glory of Terra, would be included in the Army category, but listed as part of a Luna Wolves Fleet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/7/#findComment-3291720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 The first post is still messed up. Shouldn't it be fixed after the bajillion updates ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/7/#findComment-3291892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 The first post is still messed up. Shouldn't it be fixed after the bajillion updates ? I belivie the board handles the code differently now so Cap will have to edit it first Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/7/#findComment-3291969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted January 29, 2013 Author Share Posted January 29, 2013 Alright - a small update: I have added notes up to and including the 18th Legion. I have also added the latest contributions and soon the database will be complete to this point... Bad news: The bb codes will not be fixed for at least a couple of weeks - so the tables will remain is the code/unreadable form for a while. Good news: it's a fixeable problem - so it will be done eventually. There are quite a few things in the pipeline that require urgent admin attention so we just have to wait for our turn... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/7/#findComment-3293213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Thats good news. Ok guys please keep the info coming in Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/7/#findComment-3293675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Not exactly new, but remember how I said I remembered the Abyss-class being called King-ships but I could never find it? It's on page 52 of Betrayer. Just figured I'd throw it in so if one wants, every detail can be fully cited. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/7/#findComment-3295144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted February 1, 2013 Author Share Posted February 1, 2013 Yeap! Seen it and fixed it! Good eye there Kol! Now if I could only upload the tables... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/7/#findComment-3296122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 New ships:-Samothrace - class unknown - Ultramarines - source: Dark Heart (page 8) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/7/#findComment-3296453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted February 1, 2013 Author Share Posted February 1, 2013 Hey malika! Samothrace is an UM cruiser extensively mentioned in the Know No Fear book - it's quite important there. It's also in our list - if only it was visible! :lol: BTW I'm currently reading the KNF because of this project and find it a great read! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/7/#findComment-3296464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Hmm, that was embarrasing! By the way, I've also a thread here on discussing Heresy/Crusade era fleets for BFG. I'm curious what your ideas on this would be. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/7/#findComment-3296475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I thought I had already hit up KNF... Still, good chance I missed something. Even then it's still a good read EDIT: Wasn't this thread started as a roster of ships for a Heresy-era BFG game? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/7/#findComment-3296762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epistolary Exander Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 Howcome Warbreed is in the table but not the Stonebreaker, as they are both sourced from Storm of Iron? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/7/#findComment-3297225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 The original intent was to develop an accurate picture of the development of Crusade era naval forces in the fluff. On thing is clear, the published nonstandard Chaos battle barges are wrong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/7/#findComment-3297241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 Howcome Warbreed is in the table but not the Stonebreaker, as they are both sourced from Storm of Iron?I don't know, because IIRC Stonebreed is Storm of Iron and Warbreed is Iron Warrior and The Chapter's Due but to my knowledge neither is said to be from the Heresy era but that might just be something I missed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/7/#findComment-3297249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Cap do we have any kind of ETA on when they board will be to a point where the main list post can be fixed? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/7/#findComment-3300003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted February 8, 2013 Author Share Posted February 8, 2013 Sorry guys, the boards have been up and down on a number of serious issues. I'll ask the admins again although some patience might be required... I'll get back to you ASAP. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/7/#findComment-3300015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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