Raven Angel Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Unless such a ship where salvaged or gifted to the Chapter later the majority of Chapters won't have them. SM have a lot of freedom in what the do and how the replace lost weapons and material. The Space Wolves for example use a salvaged Emperor Class Battleship for their chapter flagship in the M41. Really old chapters could have at least a couple of examples like the Grand Cruiser Nicor of the Carcharodons chapter which has a mega weapon other exceptional warships. They will not however be the norm in 40K and most will be nearly irreplaceable if destroyed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/9/#findComment-3336164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Venator Vorena - Ultramarines - class unknown - (Betrayer, p.57) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/9/#findComment-3342022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Will the first post be fixed anytime soon ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/9/#findComment-3342170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted April 3, 2013 Author Share Posted April 3, 2013 Can't say guys... It appears that the bbcodes for tables are not yet operating... :( Nothing I can doabout it personally, but the Admins are aware of this and will be getting down to irt soon. Can't say exactly how long it'll take though... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/9/#findComment-3342192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisuzume Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Can't say guys... It appears that the bbcodes for tables are not yet operating... Nothing I can doabout it personally, but the Admins are aware of this and will be getting down to irt soon. Can't say exactly how long it'll take though... Hm... maybe you could google docs it until then? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/9/#findComment-3342201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Ragnrok Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_First_Expedition/index.php?showtopic=122&st=15 good resource i found for this o wait LOL they referenced this thread. oops Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/9/#findComment-3344521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 No biggy, at least we can access the legions that are bugged on the first post. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/9/#findComment-3344523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Ragnrok Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/9/#findComment-3344533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_First_Expedition/index.php?showtopic=122&st=15 good resource i found for this o wait LOL they referenced this thread. oops That shouldn't be a problem right? We can use both places to discuss the fleets anyways. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/9/#findComment-3344594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Another gift from The First Expedition: New ship from a White Dwarf back in 1999! Winter Wolf - Space Wolves - class unknown, probably battlebarge - (White Dwarf 233, p.21) - This was apparently Russ' flagship on the final warp jump with the Dark Angels when trying to reach Terra. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/9/#findComment-3347149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Respectfully requesting an update on code fix progress please Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/9/#findComment-3356587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 The Eternal Crusader is either A) a Relic Assault Ship or B) A Gloriana Class Flagship. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/9/#findComment-3356646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 If you want to fix the code, copy paste the 'messed up' areas and use the BBC tutorial to fix it. The problem will be in the first or second line normally, that causes the whole thing to get messed up. Editing 1st Posts with Tables tends to make them mess up and need to be resubmitted completely for the Post to appear normal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/9/#findComment-3356654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 The Eternal Crusader is either A) a Relic Assault Ship or A Gloriana Class Flagship. But where is it mentioned that it was a Crusade/Heresy era ship? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/9/#findComment-3356749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Well the Black Templars are second founding and Eternal Crusader has always been their flagship so it is a natural conclusion. The codex says the ship is 10k years old, but the modern specification represents a much larger and more powerful ship then the original configuration.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/9/#findComment-3356892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Well the Black Templars are second founding and Eternal Crusader has always been their flagship so it is a natural conclusion. The codex says the ship is 10k years old, but the modern specification represents a much larger and more powerful ship then the original configuration.. So we are speculating here? Why wouldn't it be possible that a whole new generation of ships was constructed during the Second Founding? Technically the ship would then still be 10k years old (more or less), but without having existed during the Crusade and Heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/9/#findComment-3357055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 And they built these ships where? I mean it takes decades to build them and the Templars had the crusader at their founding 10 years into the scouring. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/9/#findComment-3357335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Ships like the Gloriana are exceptionally large and could likely only be built at a few yards to begin with. The number of yards capable of such a feat would have been greatly reduced after the HH. In most probable that Eternal Crusader was constructed either at the Jovian yards or the orbital yards at the orbital yards above Inuet which is the homeworld of the the Imperial Fists before they came to Terra. It is also likely that Eternal Crusader was part of the Imperial Fists Fleet before the Second Founding. Going back to the BFG rules for Eternal Crusader it says the ship dates back to the founding of the Imperium but I think short of a direct mention in one of the HH books this is as close to a confirmation as we will get. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/9/#findComment-3357358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 The standard-pattern battle barge that we're familiar with from BFG dates from the Second Founding, since the Codex reforms dicatated that the Glorianas and other ships suitable only for Navy service were to be withdrawn from Marine service and replaced with the Codex vessels. We even see this in the fluff from ADB, during Talos' remembrance of the Ultramarine + Successor strike at Tsagualsa in Void Stalker, when the Night Lords sneer at the presence of "modern" barges and strike cruisers, which lack the ship-to-ship hitting power of the Lords' own Crusade-era fleet vessels. Ergo, it is entirely possible that the Eternal Crusader is in fact a Codex-pattern battle barge. That being said, the quote referencing it as being a Crusade-era vessel doesn't necessarily refute its being a Codex barge (since we all know the Mechanicus wouldn't just design a new ship; they'd use a vessel with the appropriate mission profile for which an STC already existed). However, it also opens the door to the Crusader being a Gloriana-class battleship. The Templars especially seem to be the type that would refuse to hand over a ship with that kind of power and history to the Imperial Navy, especially if it was a flagship for officers like Sigismund or Polux. After all, the Imperial Fists hung on to Phalanx, which is definitely not a Codex-adherent Astartes vessel. In a similar vein, I like to imagine that the Fist of Iron is still in orbit over Medusa, maintained battle-ready for defense, but never used to attack outside of the system to avoid antagonizing the High Lords or Guilliman's ilk. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/9/#findComment-3357473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 I'm certain that Eternal Crusader is not a Gloriana. Even after 10k of refits here power and compliment of troops falls short of the descriptions. There are several other unknown large ship classes from the books. While I agree it could be a Codex barge I find the implications of that both disturbing and fascinating as it implies that the barge we know is in fact a modular design equipped with only a fraction of the equipment the hull could actually hold. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/9/#findComment-3357502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 I'm certain that Eternal Crusader is not a Gloriana. Even after 10k of refits here power and compliment of troops falls short of the descriptions. There are several other unknown large ship classes from the books. While I agree it could be a Codex barge I find the implications of that both disturbing and fascinating as it implies that the barge we know is in fact a modular design equipped with only a fraction of the equipment the hull could actually hold. Which makes sense to me. Look at the midships, where the broadsides are. That whole span of the ship is pretty thin, comparatively speaking, to the hammerhead front and the superstructure on the rear decks. It stands to reason that the thinner area in the middle could be reconfigured, widened, fairly easily, providing extra bunkerage of fuel and ammunition, more space for extra gun decks, or even additional livving quarters to expand the crew complement above the nominal 300 that a barge can carry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/9/#findComment-3357553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 So at the moment we are still speculating without there being any actual consistent proof? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/9/#findComment-3357746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 There are a lot of formatting errors from worldeaters and downwards... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/9/#findComment-3357757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted April 26, 2013 Author Share Posted April 26, 2013 Yes... Unfortunately I cannot confirm the time the bbcodes for tables will be restored... It's a side-effect of the site upgrade and it wil be corrected - I just can't say for sure when... I'm committed to this project and have made a lot of updates to exisitng data but unfortunately cannot be presented at the moment. As soon as I have something on the matter I'll let you guys know. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/9/#findComment-3357777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 So at the moment we are still speculating without there being any actual consistent proof? At this point I'd say we are speculating on what class she is more then on when she came from as "dates to the founding of the Imperium" is about as hard a target as a 40K/BFG source can paint. So short of a HH book mention this is about as good as it will get. I that enough info for you malika? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/page/9/#findComment-3358035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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