Darth Mustard Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 (edited) That is so cool!!! The choice of the axe is really excellent !!! I'm now a follower Regarding the metal conversion I admirer your courage. I remember so often digging patiently metal to the point it finally irremediably broke Maybe you could cast some parts that you sculpted to gain time. Edited May 7, 2014 by Darth Mustard Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278032-bcks-thread-of-stuff-super-heavy/page/54/#findComment-3677797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted May 7, 2014 Author Share Posted May 7, 2014 That is so cool!!! The choice of the axe is really excellent !!! I'm now a follower Regarding the metal conversion I admirer your courage. I remember so often digging patiently metal to the point it finally irremediably broke Maybe you could cast some parts that you sculpted to gain time. Converting metal figures is bringing back some painful memories, lemme tell ya - I've got little bruises on my fingers and palms from having to hold the figures so tight while sawing or using the Dremel. I have thought about casting some parts at a later point - either sculpting a few different masks to use on the figures with exposed faces or possibly cutting of a couple of heads, sculpting masks on them and then making casts of the entire head - but right now I don't have the funds for it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278032-bcks-thread-of-stuff-super-heavy/page/54/#findComment-3677804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 (edited) That is so cool!!! The choice of the axe is really excellent !!! I'm now a follower Regarding the metal conversion I admirer your courage. I remember so often digging patiently metal to the point it finally irremediably broke Maybe you could cast some parts that you sculpted to gain time. Converting metal figures is bringing back some painful memories, lemme tell ya - I've got little bruises on my fingers and palms from having to hold the figures so tight while sawing or using the Dremel. I have thought about casting some parts at a later point - either sculpting a few different masks to use on the figures with exposed faces or possibly cutting of a couple of heads, sculpting masks on them and then making casts of the entire head - but right now I don't have the funds for it. Awesome IG man, I hear ya about converting metal models...it's a pain in the :cuss ! :D I hope I never have to do it again, but keep up the good work! Edited May 9, 2014 by Bryan Blaire Please don't self-censor with asterisks or other symbols, just use the :cuss smiley. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278032-bcks-thread-of-stuff-super-heavy/page/54/#findComment-3677809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Mustard Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 I hear you I modified my fingerprints with metal conversion. The joy of metal shrapnel, cuts, superglue never drying enough... endless memories still I had fun :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278032-bcks-thread-of-stuff-super-heavy/page/54/#findComment-3677829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted May 8, 2014 Author Share Posted May 8, 2014 I hear you I modified my fingerprints with metal conversion. The joy of metal shrapnel, cuts, superglue never drying enough... endless memories still I had fun I hear ya, brother. I think learning to do conversions on metal figures made for a good foundation to build on when plastics and resin started becoming the norm because if you're willing to chop a metal figure in half to bring an idea to life, you have little left to hold you back with the softer materials. Sure is hard on the flesh, though. I've got a sore spot on the tip of my right index finger that stings so badly with even the tiniest amount of pressure, it kept me from doing much work on the models today. However, I have finalized the pose for the standard bearer: http://i.imgur.com/tW2blEb.jpg If the finger isn't too sore tomorrow, I'll start sculpting work on him. That didn't take too long to nail down and I still wanted to make some more progress on the vow, so I started looking around on the internet for some Officer of the Fleet inspiration. There is, of course, the GW figure: http://i.imgur.com/Khm8iLc.jpg Not bad, but it doesn't fit the idea I have in mind. Good for reference, though. Along with other people's conversions for an OotF, there was a decent amount of artwork. Here's a few from the art book of the master himself, Jes Goodwin: http://i.imgur.com/Lh0eLeb.gif http://i.imgur.com/GfFLCMm.jpg The second drawing is more like what I had in mind, with the big coat draped over the shoulders. http://i.imgur.com/qnMZI8s.jpg I'm not sure if this was inspired by the GW figure or vice versa, but this is another good example of the feel the coat brings to the figure. http://i.imgur.com/YLGL6xA.jpg From one of the 40k rpg books. I like the aquila with the braided rope on the belt. Possibly my favorite of the ones I found, this is done by the amazingly talented Italian artist, Andrea Uderzo for the 40k rpg line: http://i.imgur.com/b1kAd61.jpg I really like the exaggerated collar and the armor on the chest and shoulders and might incorporate that. Now that my head was chock full of ideas, I set about my collection of sprues and bits to see what I could find that might work as a good base for the OotF, and I think I found something suitable in the Baneblade kit. (Side note, I bought it for $95 when it first came out, and the price has jumped almost 50% to $140 in the time since!) http://i.imgur.com/ruDrqLO.jpg The bottom of the uniform is a bit long, but I could probably cut that back and sculpt taller boots without too much trouble. Modifying the rest to get in more in line with the art shouldn't be too bad either, though I'm not quite sure how to go about a tall collar. What is he pointing at, you might ask? The idea I have for this is inspired by my favorite piece of Vostroyan art(it's big, probably best to right-click and open in a new tab): http://i.imgur.com/offweK0.jpg A little below and to the left of the commanders is this guy: http://i.imgur.com/2wGK2fH.jpg He appears to be consulting some sort of large data slate that's being carried by a thrall, and I'm thinking of doing something like this for both the Master of Ordnance and the Officer of the Fleet, and both will be using it, so that's what the OotF will be pointing at. chaplainmikey and Grotsmasha 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278032-bcks-thread-of-stuff-super-heavy/page/54/#findComment-3679162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Mustard Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 I like the Andrea Uderzo one better too. There was a "hero" in the Imperial Guard range that was wearing a coat on his shoulder and smoking a cigar. He was a little short but I'm sure you can correct that. I think the high collar is a must have. I would go Napoleonic/steampunk on this character. Turn him into a veteran "Nemo" like captain (sea/naval/submarine background) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278032-bcks-thread-of-stuff-super-heavy/page/54/#findComment-3679208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted May 8, 2014 Author Share Posted May 8, 2014 The figure you mentioned is the Cadian special character Lord Castellan Ursarkar E. Creed, and I happen to have one that I bought in Finecast with the intention of turning him into a Vostroyan. Perhaps he will become my Master of Ordnance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278032-bcks-thread-of-stuff-super-heavy/page/54/#findComment-3679221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Mustard Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Yeap that's it or him :) I would use the cadian as a base and add Pimp his legs (make him taller), maybe a servo eye or a leg, make him more gothic (fleet) , get rid of the cigar I really like the details in the armored boots and glove in Andrea Uderzo concept. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278032-bcks-thread-of-stuff-super-heavy/page/54/#findComment-3679233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted May 8, 2014 Author Share Posted May 8, 2014 (edited) It would be difficult to do much to the Creed figure because it's one solid chunk and doing something like trying to extend the legs, or give him a bionic leg, would require you to resculpt large portions of the figure. Originally I was planning on simply giving him a long coat, a Vostroyan hat, and a moustache, and might stick to that plan now. Edited May 8, 2014 by Brother Chaplain Kage Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278032-bcks-thread-of-stuff-super-heavy/page/54/#findComment-3679236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Mustard Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Come on You just saw in half a rare model :) I don't do resine. I'm too scared that I won't be abble to control anything and that it would break. Built your own character ! Always funnier and with your skills it's walk on the deck of a space ship (the park did not fit the fluf obviously) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278032-bcks-thread-of-stuff-super-heavy/page/54/#findComment-3679278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blissful Brushes Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 The bottom of the uniform is a bit long, but I could probably cut that back and sculpt taller boots without too much trouble. Modifying the rest to get in more in line with the art shouldn't be too bad either, though I'm not quite sure how to go about a tall collar.What I do is curl a thin piece of plastic-card around it and use that as the framework for the shape (on the outside) and greenstuff the rough shape inside it. Then when you've got a rough shape cured you can go back in and cut in rough folds and neaten up the sculpt with some proper greenstuffing. However you decide to approach it, I'm sure it'll look good though! It does remind me that I still need to make a vow...6 models by first of August may be pushing it for me though!! Keep it up Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278032-bcks-thread-of-stuff-super-heavy/page/54/#findComment-3679314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted May 8, 2014 Author Share Posted May 8, 2014 The bottom of the uniform is a bit long, but I could probably cut that back and sculpt taller boots without too much trouble. Modifying the rest to get in more in line with the art shouldn't be too bad either, though I'm not quite sure how to go about a tall collar.What I do is curl a thin piece of plastic-card around it and use that as the framework for the shape (on the outside) and greenstuff the rough shape inside it. Then when you've got a rough shape cured you can go back in and cut in rough folds and neaten up the sculpt with some proper greenstuffing. For the collar? I was thinking of doing the opposite. Have you done something like that before? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278032-bcks-thread-of-stuff-super-heavy/page/54/#findComment-3679330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blissful Brushes Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 The bottom of the uniform is a bit long, but I could probably cut that back and sculpt taller boots without too much trouble. Modifying the rest to get in more in line with the art shouldn't be too bad either, though I'm not quite sure how to go about a tall collar.What I do is curl a thin piece of plastic-card around it and use that as the framework for the shape (on the outside) and greenstuff the rough shape inside it. Then when you've got a rough shape cured you can go back in and cut in rough folds and neaten up the sculpt with some proper greenstuffing. For the collar? I was thinking of doing the opposite. Have you done something like that before? Kind of, I did it for the collar on a marine I'm working on at the moment, so it was more metal rather than cloth, so there was no need to do any folds, but I found that it was easier to do it this way around rather than the opposite. I suppose it just depends how you work! My plastic-card abilities are shocking, so I just use it as a frame to work off rather than a base if that makes sense. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278032-bcks-thread-of-stuff-super-heavy/page/54/#findComment-3679337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly_bear Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Some beauty work going on here brother, any chance of a side shot of that power fist commiser? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278032-bcks-thread-of-stuff-super-heavy/page/54/#findComment-3679388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 I'm not keen on the Fleet Officer's head, but otherwise I like the direction you're taking with the model. Also, I love that small piece of Vostroyan art that you've showed and look forward to seeing what you come up with Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278032-bcks-thread-of-stuff-super-heavy/page/54/#findComment-3679406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonkin Arenis Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 As far as a coat is concerned, what about the stormcoat on the Scions kit? I'm not sure how it fits on Cadian models or the Baneblade crew, but it looks nice enough for a Fleet Officer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278032-bcks-thread-of-stuff-super-heavy/page/54/#findComment-3679465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted May 9, 2014 Author Share Posted May 9, 2014 For the collar? I was thinking of doing the opposite. Have you done something like that before? Kind of, I did it for the collar on a marine I'm working on at the moment, so it was more metal rather than cloth, so there was no need to do any folds, but I found that it was easier to do it this way around rather than the opposite. I suppose it just depends how you work! My plastic-card abilities are shocking, so I just use it as a frame to work off rather than a base if that makes sense. I'll give that a try, see how it works for me. Some beauty work going on here brother, any chance of a side shot of that power fist commiser? Indeed! See below. I'm not keen on the Fleet Officer's head, but otherwise I like the direction you're taking with the model. Also, I love that small piece of Vostroyan art that you've showed and look forward to seeing what you come up with It wouldn't be my first choice for the head, but I have an extremely limited amount of IG heads, and this is best of what I have available. As far as a coat is concerned, what about the stormcoat on the Scions kit? I'm not sure how it fits on Cadian models or the Baneblade crew, but it looks nice enough for a Fleet Officer. A good idea, but I think it would be almost as much trouble trying to get it to fit on the new figure and sculpting over the gaps as it would be to do one from scratch. The standard bearer is really starting to shape up now. I've got the base for the right arm sculpted in, and got quite a bit done on the left today: http://i.imgur.com/LCMirPR.jpg I wanted the feel of a gladiator with the armor to get the point across that he never lets go of that standard, so the left side will have more armor plates on it. I'm considering cutting away the empty laspistol holster hanging from his belt and replacing it with a thigh armor plate. In case it's hard to see what's there due to the shine on the greenstuff, there's a plate on the back of the hand, three segmented plates on the lower arm, a little bit of his coat sleeve poking out, and then a shoulder plate. The top of the shoulder plate is flat to accommodate more armor I'm going to add tomorrow. The finger is a little better today, and didn't bother me that much while I was working on the standard bearer, but by the time I got to the commissar, it really started to act up so I only got a little more work done, adding the base for the outer housing (side view included!): http://i.imgur.com/e5T5R92.jpg Forgot to mention in the previous post with the commissar that the power fist is made from a Grey Knight TDA fist and seems to be just about the perfect size for it. :) -BCK Grizzly_bear 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278032-bcks-thread-of-stuff-super-heavy/page/54/#findComment-3680763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barabbas Sogalon Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 The standard bearer is coming along nicely. How is the scale between the metal Vostroyans and the commissar? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278032-bcks-thread-of-stuff-super-heavy/page/54/#findComment-3680776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted May 9, 2014 Author Share Posted May 9, 2014 If the Vostroyan were standing up straight, they'd probably be about the same height, but as it is, the commissar edges him out with his cap: http://i.imgur.com/RhrRW4Y.jpg On the other hand, that poncy commissar looks like a lightweight, where the Vostroyan would be more like a light heavy or cruiserweight. Dude's got limbs like a tree. Dosjetka 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278032-bcks-thread-of-stuff-super-heavy/page/54/#findComment-3680790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barabbas Sogalon Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Good to know, as I got some ideas for my Imperial Army regiment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278032-bcks-thread-of-stuff-super-heavy/page/54/#findComment-3680794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 That fist craves some decorations! :P k0nahrik 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278032-bcks-thread-of-stuff-super-heavy/page/54/#findComment-3680799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted May 9, 2014 Author Share Posted May 9, 2014 Good to know, as I got some ideas for my Imperial Army regiment. Ooh, that sounds promising. Can't wait to see what you got planned. That fist craves some decorations! Yes it does, but I just remembered liking the power fist on the Lord Brenn character in Dawn of War II with a rounded housing: http://i.imgur.com/vzNlYCW.jpg I've done several custom power fists over the years, and they've all been square and boxy. I think I might give the rounded housing a try on this guy tomorrow, and then figure out some appropriate decoration for it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278032-bcks-thread-of-stuff-super-heavy/page/54/#findComment-3680808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Love it man your muse is returning Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278032-bcks-thread-of-stuff-super-heavy/page/54/#findComment-3680835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted May 10, 2014 Author Share Posted May 10, 2014 I got the shoulder pad done on the standard bearer: http://i.imgur.com/t8DDt94.jpg I'm not real happy with the work on the mask and will probably have another go at it tomorrow. On the other hand, I did get a lot of work done on the OotF. First was to use the Dremel to grind away the plastic on lower end of the uniform and leave two legs. I also sectioned him at the waist, trimmed away the old belt and pouches and lengthened the torso a little because this figure almost looked like a child or very short adult standing next to the Vostroyan figures: http://i.imgur.com/2i3CMa9.jpg?1 At first, I thought I would keep the fabric as it was and just add a thin layer of greenstuff on top of it, but the muse had other ideas. It told me to cut and file away all of the folds and practically rebuild the entire front of the uniform. I also added the legs of the trousers where they will be slightly bloused over the boots, once I do them. http://i.imgur.com/ydLHPNt.jpg?1 Barabbas Sogalon, foamy248, chaplainmikey and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278032-bcks-thread-of-stuff-super-heavy/page/54/#findComment-3682120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barabbas Sogalon Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Wow, the officer is a totally different figure now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278032-bcks-thread-of-stuff-super-heavy/page/54/#findComment-3682270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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