Scars Episode XI Updated 16/10 (Spoilers)

[Excessus]

Arrrrgh! I crave this book, I crave the information it will (most likely) contain about my beloved Alpha Legion!

[Greyall]

Bring on thy spoilers!

[GhostMalone]

I can't spoil it ;)

[Wolf Lord Loki]

 

Well he's suspicious of the fact that the Alpha Legion would all of a sudden have a fleet engagement this big when they've never done anything like it before, drawing on the understanding that Roboute famously hates their tactics and the Russ himself's less famous dislike of it also.

 

Dorn shows up with Malcador and the Sigilite discussing the issues, there's some nice parts that explore the relationships of the primarchs such as

 

"And the Lion" said Malcador. "what of him?"

"He pursues his private feuds," said Dorn. "And when has he ever been anything but his own master?"

Malcador smiled. "You brothers - such a nest of rivalries. I warned him to make you sisters, that it would make things more civilised. He thought I was joking. I wasn't"

 

And also in relation to Khan and how not many knew much about him :

 

"None of us did," said Malcador. "That was the point of him - in any system there needs to be uncertainty." He smiled at Dorn. "You my friend, were an exercise in the opposite. No wonder you two did not understand one another."

 

 

 

 

I like this comment from Malcador about the 'brotherhood' of Primarchs.  Also explains the lack of a 'sisterhood' amongst them - the Emperor never got around to it!!

[Emperor's Furor]

Ok spoilers for today:

 

 

Alpha Legion attacked the Space Wolves, Bjorns ship gets boarded by the Alpha Legion who intend to destroy the engine, Bjorns with a single hand still, goes down to get rid of them, he does and captures one of the Alpha Legions whose nearly dead, the guy poisons himself (like a spy angent) but as he's close to death  a regretful look appears on his face, as if he wished he could say more but protocol restrained him, but then issues "For the Emperor" and then he dies.

 

The Space Wolves fleet is terribly damaged and the flagship is being boarded and relentlessly punished, Bjorn uses Boarding Torpedos to get aboard to help, he can't find his squad as he enters a wide areas a space wolf comes flying in front of him he wonders what could do such a thing before turning and being confronted by it, I figure it maybe a alpha legion dreadnought.

 

Shiban finds a shiney metal disc after excavating the rest of the fallen White Scars that were originally killed by the Alpha Legions, seems that either the white scars may of been in lodge, but the Alpha Legion didn't know, or the Alpha Legion dropped the disc, but I favour the first one. The Khan has recalled the legion, one of the ships hasn't sent word though, I have an inkling it may be a ship commanded by a lodge member though, although that's not supported atm.

 

The munitorium officer questions her White Scar Liason about the White Scars obvious dislike of the Space Wolves, he says it's because they have a reputation for being savages and that tends to over lap with them, she says it's envy but he says it's difficult to explain (executioner comes up again here), she pushes him to far and he says if it comes to it the "Khagan will swat him aside like a ragged dog he is".

 

The Khan has a flash back to Ullanor where he speaks to Magnus and introduces Ahriman to Stormseer from the previous episode. The Khan appears to be very fond of Magnus but points out Magnus is a Scholar, not a warrior. Back in the present the Khan wants to know what actually happened to Magnus and gets pretty angry. However the Alpha Legion then show up in a similar fashion as they did with the Space Wolves. The Khan gets happier and realises he's used to this, enemies on both sides and him having to respond to it and he's not had a trial like this for ages.

 

The final sentence goes -

 

"Then who is the enemy now, Khagan?" he asked. "that is all I need to know."

"They are all the enemy," said the Khan, striding to the doorway that would take him to the bridge. "They always have been"

 

 

 

[Greyall]

Holy sh**

 

 

So I assume the Scars are already nearing the battle?

 

I don't really understand the Khan's last words. Why would he include the Wolves among the enemies, is it because of the previous accusation of treachery on Russ? Anyway, "they are all the enemy and always have been" sounds like something deeper than "they both are". I'm thinking the Scars' 'leave us alone' attitude is meaningful.

 

As to the Space Wolf being sent through the air, it could be Alpharius/Omegon himself. I haven't been following the Alphas, don't know which of them would make more sense. Doesn't seem to matter, though, since the Khan seems eager to wipe the floor with anyone involved.

 

[Emperor's Furor]

Holy sh**

 

 

So I assume the Scars are already nearing the battle?

 

I don't really understand the Khan's last words. Why would he include the Wolves among the enemies, is it because of the previous accusation of treachery on Russ? Anyway, "they are all the enemy and always have been" sounds like something deeper than "they both are". I'm thinking the Scars' 'leave us alone' attitude is meaningful.

 

As to the Space Wolf being sent through the air, it could be Alpharius/Omegon himself. I haven't been following the Alphas, don't know which of them would make more sense. Doesn't seem to matter, though, since the Khan seems eager to wipe the floor with anyone involved.

 

 

I believe it's because they've received partial word from terra to return there and team up with Dorn and Russ, he's receiving contradictory messages and can't figure out what's happening. Atm if the Alpha Legion opens fire on the White Scars then that will sway the Khan into allying with the Wolves if they come upon them later. If the Alpha Legion doesn't engage the White Scars now then they are still leaning towards following Horus's word due to the fact of Magnus's demise is at the hands of the Wolves.

 

This is purely a guess based on my thoughts but I think Alpharius, the one who seems to be swinging in to supporting the Emperor and going against the plans of the cabal may be leading the fleet opposing the White Scars atm as if the Alpha Legion open up on the White Scars it will stop them from going with Horus's word, so Alpharius may do it to put a spanner in the warmasters plans.

 

[Týr]

Ok spoilers for today:

 

 

Alpha Legion attacked the Space Wolves, Bjorns ship gets boarded by the Alpha Legion who intend to destroy the engine, Bjorns with a single hand still, goes down to get rid of them, he does and captures one of the Alpha Legions whose nearly dead, the guy poisons himself (like a spy angent) but as he's close to death  a regretful look appears on his face, as if he wished he could say more but protocol restrained him, but then issues "For the Emperor" and then he dies.

 

The Space Wolves fleet is terribly damaged and the flagship is being boarded and relentlessly punished, Bjorn uses Boarding Torpedos to get aboard to help, he can't find his squad as he enters a wide areas a space wolf comes flying in front of him he wonders what could do such a thing before turning and being confronted by it, I figure it maybe a alpha legion dreadnought.

 

Shiban finds a shiney metal disc after excavating the rest of the fallen White Scars that were originally killed by the Alpha Legions, seems that either the white scars may of been in lodge, but the Alpha Legion didn't know, or the Alpha Legion dropped the disc, but I favour the first one. The Khan has recalled the legion, one of the ships hasn't sent word though, I have an inkling it may be a ship commanded by a lodge member though, although that's not supported atm.

 

The munitorium officer questions her White Scar Liason about the White Scars obvious dislike of the Space Wolves, he says it's because they have a reputation for being savages and that tends to over lap with them, she says it's envy but he says it's difficult to explain (executioner comes up again here), she pushes him to far and he says if it comes to it the "Khagan will swat him aside like a ragged dog he is".

 

The Khan has a flash back to Ullanor where he speaks to Magnus and introduces Ahriman to Stormseer from the previous episode. The Khan appears to be very fond of Magnus but points out Magnus is a Scholar, not a warrior. Back in the present the Khan wants to know what actually happened to Magnus and gets pretty angry. However the Alpha Legion then show up in a similar fashion as they did with the Space Wolves. The Khan gets happier and realises he's used to this, enemies on both sides and him having to respond to it and he's not had a trial like this for ages.

 

The final sentence goes -

 

"Then who is the enemy now, Khagan?" he asked. "that is all I need to know."

"They are all the enemy," said the Khan, striding to the doorway that would take him to the bridge. "They always have been"

 

 

 

 

I am very confused about Bjorn?

In Prospero Burns he is a warrior from Tra under Ogvai's command.

Yet in what you describe it seems like he's the Jarl or at least have a ship under his command? when in Prospero Burns it's verly clearly stated that Tra have a ship they all seem to share. Can you elaborate on Bjorn's role in all this?

I really dont hope he's suddenly made Jarl or some other bs

 

 

[Emperor's Furor]

 

Ok spoilers for today:

 

 

Alpha Legion attacked the Space Wolves, Bjorns ship gets boarded by the Alpha Legion who intend to destroy the engine, Bjorns with a single hand still, goes down to get rid of them, he does and captures one of the Alpha Legions whose nearly dead, the guy poisons himself (like a spy angent) but as he's close to death  a regretful look appears on his face, as if he wished he could say more but protocol restrained him, but then issues "For the Emperor" and then he dies.

 

The Space Wolves fleet is terribly damaged and the flagship is being boarded and relentlessly punished, Bjorn uses Boarding Torpedos to get aboard to help, he can't find his squad as he enters a wide areas a space wolf comes flying in front of him he wonders what could do such a thing before turning and being confronted by it, I figure it maybe a alpha legion dreadnought.

 

Shiban finds a shiney metal disc after excavating the rest of the fallen White Scars that were originally killed by the Alpha Legions, seems that either the white scars may of been in lodge, but the Alpha Legion didn't know, or the Alpha Legion dropped the disc, but I favour the first one. The Khan has recalled the legion, one of the ships hasn't sent word though, I have an inkling it may be a ship commanded by a lodge member though, although that's not supported atm.

 

The munitorium officer questions her White Scar Liason about the White Scars obvious dislike of the Space Wolves, he says it's because they have a reputation for being savages and that tends to over lap with them, she says it's envy but he says it's difficult to explain (executioner comes up again here), she pushes him to far and he says if it comes to it the "Khagan will swat him aside like a ragged dog he is".

 

The Khan has a flash back to Ullanor where he speaks to Magnus and introduces Ahriman to Stormseer from the previous episode. The Khan appears to be very fond of Magnus but points out Magnus is a Scholar, not a warrior. Back in the present the Khan wants to know what actually happened to Magnus and gets pretty angry. However the Alpha Legion then show up in a similar fashion as they did with the Space Wolves. The Khan gets happier and realises he's used to this, enemies on both sides and him having to respond to it and he's not had a trial like this for ages.

 

The final sentence goes -

 

"Then who is the enemy now, Khagan?" he asked. "that is all I need to know."

"They are all the enemy," said the Khan, striding to the doorway that would take him to the bridge. "They always have been"

 

 

 

 

I am very confused about Bjorn?

In Prospero Burns he is a warrior from Tra under Ogvai's command.

Yet in what you describe it seems like he's the Jarl or at least have a ship under his command? when in Prospero Burns it's verly clearly stated that Tra have a ship they all seem to share. Can you elaborate on Bjorn's role in all this?

I really dont hope he's suddenly made Jarl or some other bs

 

 

 

 

It appears that after what happened on Prospero Bjorn became a lot more renown within the Legion, Skalds wrote of him and even the Primarch began to acknowledge him, in the previous episode he was at the meeting of Legion commanders, so I'm assuming he's been promoted or something, as he has Godsmote with him and a small command squad type unit. He was in command of a ship called Helridder, I think it was escort sized though maybe destroyer sized, it had a lance at least and only 10 boarding torpedos, no Caetus rams etc as only larger ships carry those. He can't be that important though if he's on that small a ship.

 

[Týr]

 

 

Ok spoilers for today:

 

 

Alpha Legion attacked the Space Wolves, Bjorns ship gets boarded by the Alpha Legion who intend to destroy the engine, Bjorns with a single hand still, goes down to get rid of them, he does and captures one of the Alpha Legions whose nearly dead, the guy poisons himself (like a spy angent) but as he's close to death  a regretful look appears on his face, as if he wished he could say more but protocol restrained him, but then issues "For the Emperor" and then he dies.

 

The Space Wolves fleet is terribly damaged and the flagship is being boarded and relentlessly punished, Bjorn uses Boarding Torpedos to get aboard to help, he can't find his squad as he enters a wide areas a space wolf comes flying in front of him he wonders what could do such a thing before turning and being confronted by it, I figure it maybe a alpha legion dreadnought.

 

Shiban finds a shiney metal disc after excavating the rest of the fallen White Scars that were originally killed by the Alpha Legions, seems that either the white scars may of been in lodge, but the Alpha Legion didn't know, or the Alpha Legion dropped the disc, but I favour the first one. The Khan has recalled the legion, one of the ships hasn't sent word though, I have an inkling it may be a ship commanded by a lodge member though, although that's not supported atm.

 

The munitorium officer questions her White Scar Liason about the White Scars obvious dislike of the Space Wolves, he says it's because they have a reputation for being savages and that tends to over lap with them, she says it's envy but he says it's difficult to explain (executioner comes up again here), she pushes him to far and he says if it comes to it the "Khagan will swat him aside like a ragged dog he is".

 

The Khan has a flash back to Ullanor where he speaks to Magnus and introduces Ahriman to Stormseer from the previous episode. The Khan appears to be very fond of Magnus but points out Magnus is a Scholar, not a warrior. Back in the present the Khan wants to know what actually happened to Magnus and gets pretty angry. However the Alpha Legion then show up in a similar fashion as they did with the Space Wolves. The Khan gets happier and realises he's used to this, enemies on both sides and him having to respond to it and he's not had a trial like this for ages.

 

The final sentence goes -

 

"Then who is the enemy now, Khagan?" he asked. "that is all I need to know."

"They are all the enemy," said the Khan, striding to the doorway that would take him to the bridge. "They always have been"

 

 

 

 

I am very confused about Bjorn?

In Prospero Burns he is a warrior from Tra under Ogvai's command.

Yet in what you describe it seems like he's the Jarl or at least have a ship under his command? when in Prospero Burns it's verly clearly stated that Tra have a ship they all seem to share. Can you elaborate on Bjorn's role in all this?

I really dont hope he's suddenly made Jarl or some other bs

 

 

 

 

It appears that after what happened on Prospero Bjorn became a lot more renown within the Legion, Skalds wrote of him and even the Primarch began to acknowledge him, in the previous episode he was at the meeting of Legion commanders, so I'm assuming he's been promoted or something, as he has Godsmote with him and a small command squad type unit. He was in command of a ship called a Helridder, I think it was escort sized though maybe destroyer sized, it had a lance at least and only 10 boarding torpedos, no Caetus rams etc as only larger ships carry those. He can't be that important though if he's on that small a ship.

 

Okay thank you. Very good to hear as it makes much more sense. It dosen't seem likely that after Prospero, the enormous casualties have forced Tra and other companies to divide their remaining forces between the ships that now are lacking Astartes in order for the fleet to remain combat effective.

[Conn Eremon]

Remember, Bjorn ends up in Russ' own Wolf Guard by the end of all this. Stands to reason he'd be acknowledged and promotes throughout the series, since he was only a battle-brother at Prospero.

[Greyall]

Hell, after proving he's still a killing machine with just one arm, of course he'll get promoted.

 

 

Still thinking about that whole "They are all enemies. They always were." thing, that sounds as if the Khan has been harbouring some kind of hate for his brothers...

 

[Týr]

Hell, after proving he's still a killing machine with just one arm, of course he'll get promoted.

 

 

Still thinking about that whole "They are all enemies. They always were." thing, that sounds as if the Khan has been harbouring some kind of hate for his brothers...

 

 

Perhaps they have bullied him with his "funny haircut" in the past.

[Greyall]

Alphas know just where to stick the knife...actually, interesting bit about the Alpha's dying moments.

[Entei]

It seems like the White Scar bodies that were found was the same squad that was killed by Setebos' cell in "The Serpent Beneath."

[Emperor's Furor]

Hell, after proving he's still a killing machine with just one arm, of course he'll get promoted.

 

 

Still thinking about that whole "They are all enemies. They always were." thing, that sounds as if the Khan has been harbouring some kind of hate for his brothers...

 

I think it's related to his style of war, in the previous episode he played a game vs the munitorium officer which promoted fighting on several flanks at once, rather than the chess style of having a single enemy to the front. Now he has enemies on both fronts as far since he doesn't know who he can trust.

[Greyall]

Oh, right, 'go', spot on. I'm liking these developments a lot. We knew the Scars would be essential, but now they're entering 'determinator' territory. Scars fans no longer need to be sad for showing up so late to the party.

 

Still, it remains to be seen if the Wolves will get help from an 'unexpected quarter' as the Visions Books mentioned. Should make for a nice twist if done well.

[Emperor's Furor]

I wouldn't be surprised if it's Alpharius's loyal Alpha Legion.

[Greyall]

My first thought as well.

[daveNYC]

Ok spoilers for today:

 

 

...

The final sentence goes -

 

"Then who is the enemy now, Khagan?" he asked. "that is all I need to know."

"They are all the enemy," said the Khan, striding to the doorway that would take him to the bridge. "They always have been"

 

 

 

 

Niiiiiiice.

[Stonerhino]

 

It would be interesting to find out that the Alphas fighting the Wolves are doing it because they believe the Wolves are against the Emperor.  Kind of a culling of the loyal Alphas.  Like the Word Bearers and Calth.  Except that the Primarchs are also doing it to the traitors as well.  Maybe to replace their numbers with some of the Deliverence Lost grown Alphas that are only loyal to the primarchs.

 

[Apothecary Vaddon]

 

The Council at Nikaea happened decades before the Heresy ... Jaghatai didn't hear about the ruling at all? 

 

Actually it happens right after Ullanor. Horus falls after 2 years or so of that. Then everything hits the fan. The book mentions how there have been times when the Scars have been incommunicado for years and the actually enjoyed it. 

 

Yeah Valdor was with Russ and is now back with at Terra. Moves pretty quick, eh?

 

Basically this book should take place earlier than many of the others. The scene with them on Terra is before Deliverance Lost. and possibly Outcast Dead. (again going on this scene)

brain poop

[calgar101]

The Custodes and Sisters of Silence have access to better warp routes thus making travel quicker and safer right?

[Entei]

 

It would be interesting to find out that the Alphas fighting the Wolves are doing it because they believe the Wolves are against the Emperor.  Kind of a culling of the loyal Alphas.  Like the Word Bearers and Calth.  Except that the Primarchs are also doing it to the traitors as well.  Maybe to replace their numbers with some of the Deliverence Lost grown Alphas that are only loyal to the primarchs.

 

I've seen no evidence that would support that theory. From what we've seen of the AL this far, the legionnaires appears to be extremely loyal to their primarch(s). The rift in the legion seems rather to be between Omegon and Alpharius, if there is one, remember how Omegon had the Tenebrae installation destroyed so that the Scars could get word from Terra? And I have a hard time believing the AL would believe that the Wolves had turned traitor simply because Horus had said so. The Word Bearers are religious fanatics, the Alpha Legion are the cold-headed pragmatic masters of subterfuge who hates getting their hands dirty.

[GhostMalone]

But if that's the case the primarchs and legions should have access to that tech as well it doesn't really make sense. I feel that the alpha legion won't take part at terra and that they may have a internal struggle as well. I don't believe they can all have consented to turning traitor :/ it's odd