+++Fleets of the Heresy III +++

[Captain Semper]

Ok, I have added all the new additions (made a special note on Scramaseax saying it is not explicit that that's a Heresy ship).

 

I also added on the first page Cormac Airt's list of ship classes - thank you Cormaic - and thank you timdp and the guys over in the First Expedition for their kind contributions.

 

 

 

Keep 'em coming guys! :)

[Machine God]

X Legion
 

Heart of Gold    ???   ???   Fulgrim by Graham McNeil [bL]        Status: Destroyed [Diasporex]

 

Nice find Capt Semper. 

 

 

Was it shaped like a trainer?

Edited April 18, 2014 by Scion of Ferrus

[TDF]

Ok, I have added all the new additions (made a special note on Scramaseax saying it is not explicit that that's a Heresy ship).

 

I also added on the first page Cormac Airt's list of ship classes - thank you Cormaic - and thank you timdp and the guys over in the First Expedition for their kind contributions.

 

 

 

Keep 'em coming guys!

You added the Scramaseax note to the Ragnorok by mistake.

[timdp]

Have been taking a closer look at at some of the illustrations in Collected Visions and would like to throw up a few of potentially heretical thoughts for discussion.

 

(p37) EC Pride of the Emperor is quite obviously a grand cruiser, not a battleship. It has all of the distinctive features of a Heresy era (pre-Repulsive) grand cruiser: flattened prow, Chaos over Imperial style weapons bays separated by a secondary bridge, distinctive double main bridge, Chaos style upper rear hull and prominent bottom fin. Can't seem to find my copy of Fulgrim at the moment to skim for more descriptions of the ship.

 

 

(p32) DG Endurance is also likely a grand cruiser with most of the same list of characteristics: flattened prow, weapons bays separated by a secondary bridge, distinctive double main bridge, Chaos style upper rear hull and prominent bottom fin. The skull set into the hull fits with the info from Flight of the Eisenstein that describes Mortarian's throne room having the eye of the stone skull as an external window.

 

(p303) DG Spectre of Death

A closer look shows what appear to be at least two bays worth of double stacked Marine bombardment cannon weapon modules.

 

(p35) SoH Vengeful Spirit

Had been looking at the areas between the uprights as single weapons bays, but have realized that I had not been comprehending the sheer size of this ship. The archived thread here generally opines that the Vengeful Spirit is the largest Imperial ship that is not based on a chunk of planet (DA The Rock and IF Phalanx) or a Furious Abyss. With this thought in mind, a closer look at the Vengeful Spirit shows that each of what I thought were single weapons bays are actually five weapons batteries long and stacked up to four batteries high. Was definitely an "OMG, that thing is huge!" moment.

 

Did a little layout drawing of five BFG weapons batteries, a spacer and then five more weapons batteries as shown in the illustration. Together this stuff measures a bit over 8" long which translates to a real life length of 12km. Making guesses about the length of the prow and rear section of the hull makes Vengeful Spirit a bit more than 50% longer (and far more massive) than the IW Iron Blood shown earlier in this thread. BFG/RL lengths: Iron Blood: 11.375"/16.333km, Vengeful Spirit: ±17.5"/25km. Just to give an idea of the relative sizes, Iron Blood is more than double the length of an Emperor battleship and Vengeful Spirit is 3.5 times the length of a battleship.

 

 

Side note: Might be useful to have a ship class called "Unique" for the three ships so far that appear to be a "class" of one ship: Terminus Est, Iron Blood and Vengeful Spirit.

 

Update for the list: Spectre of Death also appears on page 303 of Collected Visions.

Edited April 22, 2014 by timdp

[MasterofMankind]

Just got Vengeful Spirit. The ships in the book are:

Raksha

Sons of Horus

???

Frigate

Vengeful Spirit

Destroyed in void battle over Moloch 

 

Enlightenment

Imperial

???

???

Vengeful Spirit

 

Implacable Resolve

???(Not sure whether it's an Imperial or a Traitor ship)

???

Destroyer

Vengeful Spirit

 

Devine Right

Imperial

???

???

Vengeful Spirit

Destroyed in void battle over Moloch

 

Cthonia Rising

Sons of Horus

???

Vengeful Spirit

Frigate

Destroyed in void battle over Moloch

 

Reaper of Barbarus

Death Guard

???

Destroyer

Vengeful Spirit

Destroyed in Void battle over Moloch

[timdp]

Some Collected Visions updates for Death Guard and Iron Warriors

 

Death Guard

 

Endurance - Collected Visions by Alan Merrett page  32, Grand cruiser configuration

Indomitable Will -  Collected Visions by Alan Merrett  page 37.

Barge of the Damned - Transport for Chaos Cultists - Collected Visions by Alan Merrett page 132. Death Guard insignia

Spectre of Death - Collected Visions by Alan Merrett page 303.

The Undying  - Collected Visions by Alan Merrett page 348. Standard M41 Battle Barge.

 

Barbarus’ Sting - Collected Visions by Alan Merrett

 

Valley of Haloes - Collected Visions by Alan Merrett

 

 

Iron Warriors

Contrador - Collected Visions by Alan Merrett



 

Edited April 26, 2014 by timdp

[Captain Semper]

@ Master of Mankind: Great finding - don't have the book yet, so that's a great input! Now I have a question: The Divine Right is already in our list (Emperor Class Battleship) as described in the BFG Rulebook... Are you sure it is not the same vessel? Does it clearly say it was destroyed? Or is there any hint on its size (i.e. could it be an Emperor class battleship?) . We may have the same vessel or two vessels with the same name... 

 

Also Implacable Resolve... rings a bell... Can't remember though...

 

@ timdp: Endurance, Indomitable Will, Spectre of Death, Undying, Valley of Haloes and Barbarus Sting are already included in the list as is Contrador. I will add the alternative source. I also moved the Barge of the Damned to XIV Legion from "Other ships of the Heresy"...

 

Also interesting comments above - I'll revert!

[MasterofMankind]

@ Captain Semper Regarding Devine(Divine) Right, I should mention that the Imperial governor who rules the planet is called Devine. It could also be a typo,since it only appears once. The ship is clearly mentioned as destroyed, and I quote:

"A pair of fist to finger impacts penetrated the Imperial vessel's prow armour and a superhot plasma jet roared the length of its long axis. Gutted by searing fires, the ship exploded moments later as its weapons stores cooked off.

[Captain Semper]

Thanks for clarifying, I'll add it to the "other ships of the Heresy" list. :)

[MasterofMankind]

Finished Vengeful Spirit. Got two more ships:

 

Selenar's Spear

Sons of Horus

???

Frigate

Vengeful Spirit

 

Infinity's Regret

Sons of Horus

???

Frigate

Vengeful Spirit

[timdp]

  I know they were already on the list. Was just adding the additional CV sources.

 

@ Master of Mankind: Great finding - don't have the book yet, so that's a great input! Now I have a question: The Divine Right is already in our list (Emperor Class Battleship) as described in the BFG Rulebook... Are you sure it is not the same vessel? Does it clearly say it was destroyed? Or is there any hint on its size (i.e. could it be an Emperor class battleship?) . We may have the same vessel or two vessels with the same name... 

 

Also Implacable Resolve... rings a bell... Can't remember though...

 

@ timdp: Endurance, Indomitable Will, Spectre of Death, Undying, Valley of Haloes and Barbarus Sting are already included in the list as is Contrador. I will add the alternative source. I also moved the Barge of the Damned to XIV Legion from "Other ships of the Heresy"...

 

Also interesting comments above - I'll revert!

 

[Captain Semper]

@ timdp: Yeap! I have added the alternative sources - excellent work! :tu:

 

@ MasterofMankind: I have added the two new additions as well as the the Devine Right (in "other ships of the Heresy")...

[timdp]

Here are a couple more ship in the lists that don't have their CV sources listed.

 

EC: Andronius , although this ship appears to be a frigate in CV (p190). Caption calls it a "strike craft" which could be a strike cruiser or even a frigate.

 

Mechanicum: Aratan

 

I thought someone already mentioned Malcador's Observer, but don't see it listed on Other ships. Its in CV as well.

[SFH]

I got Vengeful Spirit yesterday, and just reached chapter five, where it confirms that the Vengeful Spirit is a Gloriana Class Battleship.

[Kol Saresk]

So it turns out we missed a few ships from Betrayer. In the little blurbs between the prologue and chapter one, pages 17 to 18.

 

Word Bearers

Deadsong, Unknown Class, Unknown tonnage

 

Ultramarines

Legate, Unknown Class, Battleship

Aequitas, Unknown Class, Warship

Azureus, Unknown Class, Unknown tonnage

Tears of Kyanos, Unknown Class, Unknown tonnage

Immortal Patriarch, Unknown Class, Unknown tonnage

Igitur, Unknown Class, Unknown tonnage

Vinculum Unitatis, , Unknown Class, Warship

 

Status of all ships is unknown, but presumably only the Azureus and the Deadsong are still active as the Legate was under attack and already damged by World Eaters, the Aequitas was under attack by the Deadsong and was cut off mid-transmission and the rest of the Ultramarine ships were ordered to sacrifice themselves so the Azureus might escape and reach Armatura. Which would explain why they weren't caught off-guard by the Word Bearers and World Eaters at the beginning of the book.

[Captain Semper]

OK guys - I'm pressed for time right now but I have updated the tables for the Vengeful Spirit and the Deadsong. I will update the UM ships and the CV references at some point tomorrow!

 

Thank you and keep 'em coming!

 

Did anyone order RAVENLORD?

[SFH]

I did, but these limited edition books tend to not be mailed until after two months. Will post any ships we get.

[Olis]

Did anyone order RAVENLORD?

 

*Raises hand*

 

Yup. Since I've had steady work, I've been getting these limited works direct, rather than rely on the vagaries of Ebay. Ravenlord will be mine soon enough. Whether or not I'll be beaten to the punch in listing ships will be another matter. ;)

[Captain Semper]

OK, I did the UMs ships - did some extra research and added a few details... 

 

Will add the CV details tomorrow...

 

I look fwd to the release of the Ravenlord! :yes:

[Kol Saresk]

Okay sorry, I didn't realize we had started adding where they were sighted. I'll keep that for future reference.

[Olis]

Hey, Semper - the Imperial Fists ship Wrathful Vanguard has been listed twice. Tut tut. :P

Edited May 11, 2014 by Olisredan

[Olis]

Let's see, I'm up to chapter nine right now, so here's the ships mentioned so far:

 

Raven Guard

Avenger, unknown class, Battle Barge, Corax's Flagship, pg 17

Steadfast, unknown class, Cruiser, Commander Aloni's ship, pg 63

Shadowstrike, unknown class, unknown type, possibly a cruiser, pg 64  

 

Imperial Fists

Wrathful Vanguard, unknown class, Strike Cruiser, Captain Noriz's ship, pg 63

 

 

Edit - Now I have the opportunity to say so, I will: These are the only ships named in the whole novella. Which means we have two new ships for the list and two new references for existing ships.

Edited May 22, 2014 by Olisredan

[Hyaenidae]

Omnissiax
???
Ark Freighter
The Harrowing by Rob Sanders [sedition's Gate Novella]
Status: Captured by XX Legion
Mechanicum ship

Dentilicon
???
Light cruiser
The Harrowing by Rob Sanders [sedition's Gate Novella]
Status: Destroyed
Mechanicum ship


Omnicron
???
Battle-Barge
The Harrowing by Rob Sanders [sedition's Gate Novella]
Status: Active
Alpha Legion

Ghamaliz
???
???
Allegiance by Chris Wright [sedition's Gate Novella]
Status: Active
White Scars

[Kol Saresk]

What's Sedition's Gate?

[MasterofMankind]

A new anthology, released exclusively at the Horus Heresy weekender, like Imperial Truth

Edited May 30, 2014 by MasterofMankind