[HH1.0] Word Bearer's Tactics

[depthcharge12]

Can Dark martyrs take them? They don't have Legiones Astartes (Word Bearers)

Lol they are a WB specific unit, they have a character with access to a power weapon, and from a fluff perpective - they were once a WB legionnaire. I wouldn't argue against it.

 

Edit: Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck...it's probably a duck :P (unless it's a platypus - then yeah)

Edited December 2, 2015 by depthcharge12

[TemujinZero]

But they can also just take a power fist for S10 AP2, which has got to be better than fishing for 6s to rend.

[Flint13]

But they can also just take a power fist for S10 AP2, which has got to be better than fishing for 6s to rend.

This is true.

 

It seems like it would only benefit in pretty specific circumstances like monstrous or gargantuan creatures.

[Seahawk]

 

That leaves me with some points for daemons I reckon. Not sure whether I go for a greater daemon/daemon prince, or heralds to improve daemon mobs. I've been thinking daemonettes or bloodletters for troops, and maybe Fiends or Exalted Chariots for lots of rending punch.

 

If you want rending punch avoid fiends or chariots. The seeker has 3x the damage output per point than the fiends, and are about as tough as them. Fiends have always underperformed for me as they constantly get killed by S8 shooting, or just don't hit enough. Seekers have the same attacks, for a third the price, with a higher WS and don't suffer to being ID'd by S8. The chariots are just garbage.

 

Seekers don't drop the initiative of what I charge to 1, don't drop psyker's Ld by 1, are more susceptible to bolter death, and still take DT tests. I'd be fine if missiles shoot daemons instead of rhinos, because they're more valuable to me. The only perk seekers get is more attacks per model, which means nothing to me, really.The chariots are quite good, when used right, and at only 75 points they're cheap as chips. It also helps flood the field with AV11.

[Thedarkprincesnun]

Anyone considered running a PoTL force with Word Bearers?

[Seahawk]

That's also something I'm considering, given the box's contents. It'd allow them all to be Troops choices and awesome, if more expensive, but more usable and flexible at the same time.

 

Along those lines I'd take one squad with dual heavy bolters and sniper, one squad with dual missile launchers and tank hunters, and maybe double up on one of those for the third.

[Thedarkprincesnun]

I'm actually considering running a WB PoTL force based off my 40k WB list

 

HQ

Praetor power fist bike iron halo

Pride of the Legion

 

Centurion chaplin burning lore

 

Troops

3 x 10 vet tactical squads with 2 Plasma Guns all in rhinos

5 legion terminators with 2 Chain Fists 2 Power Axes 1 power sword heavy flamer combi flamer

 

Land Raider Photos

 

Fast Attack

5 Legion out riders with 2 Melta guns.

 

Atleast that would be the base of it

Edited December 4, 2015 by Thedarkprincesnun

[Terminus]

I don't like the plasma on the vets. I'd take 2 units of meltas, one with heavy bolters, give the terminators plasma all around and give the outriders plasma too.

[Hesh Kadesh]

All outriders must change their weapons sadly. Not just just part.

[01RTB01]

It's so expensive upgrading the guns on outriders, you essentially double the cost with plasma, why so expensive?!

[Hesh Kadesh]

Something to do with TL'd, Relentless Scouting, 12" Move T5 Jinking platforms, probably.

 

They're not a particularly good value for points, but they're not strictly bad. Just... take special weapon upgrades on small squads. 3 TL'd melta's can make a mess of Dreadnoughts (although face a counter charge), while despite AC being prevalent, Sicaran's don't like a TL S8 AP1 shot in the side/rear. I personally prefer them more than Jetbikes, as Jetbikes cannot take 2 Power Weapons, 3 Special Weapons, and meltabombs in a 3 Man Squad. 

[Terminus]

The above costs exactly 215 points. Not bad. You can save 25 points by skipping on the sarge and his power weapon. or double down and give him a hand-flamer too.

Edited December 10, 2015 by Terminus

[Terkael]

Anyone considered running a PoTL force with Word Bearers?

I have been torn about making a PotL list with Word Bearers. Their morale bonus certainly lends itself well to keeping your smaller squads from running after getting shot up. I worry about there simply not being enough bodies in the list even with an infantry swarm style list.

[Terminus]

Not enough bodies, then summon some more.

 

Infantry swarm is not recommended, in either case. I'm having to severely gimp my lists so I can have a decent game against all the new BoC start-ups.

Edited December 14, 2015 by Terminus

[Terkael]

According the the "Internet Meta" what type of lists are the most common and what specific counters do WB have against them? Lately i have been leaning towards mech infantry with deepstriking support.

[Terminus]

So I've been proxying some Word Bearers stuff as potential purchases, and I've run into an issue with the Mhara. Does anyone get good mileage out of this thing?  I already got my Alpha Legion scratching my Legionnaire itch (no pun intended), so I am hoping to build just a small army around Zardu, Gal Vorbak, Ashen Circle, and then just daemons. The Mhara Gal is an awesome model, but the Accursed rule hitting daemons is just too harsh. I can't let this thing anywhere near pretty much anything else in the army.

 

Since the arms are easily the weakest part of the model (just look too small and scrawny), do you think if I stuck Leviathan arms on it people would let me run it as a Leviathan? It's certainly big enough. Then I could save the arms for a daemon prince or something down the road, or even a Dark Mechanicum Magos. Thoughts?

[Hesh Kadesh]

 

Not really sure why. It's a WS6 I5, Move Through Cover, LoS Blocking ignoring monster, with 5 S10 AP2 attacks at I5 forcing enemy models to reroll their invulnerable saves with a Bolter or 2 firing Blind Shots and forcing enemies under T7 to hit on a -1, while its Fear tests are at a -2. 

 

So, if your character passes the Initiative Tests for Blind Saves, AND passes the Fear Tests, AND survives the I5 Attack routine which instant kills him and forces his 4++ to be rerolled, he is hitting on a 5+ against an AV13 Dreadnought with a 5++ Invulnerable, 4HP and IWND. 

 

For fun;

 

4x Mhara Gal = 1220pts

 

Allied Macrotek Archmagos, Jetpack, Cyber Familiar = 150pts

Tech-priest Auxilia, 4 Servo Arms, Triaros Conveyer = 210pts

Tech-priest Auxilia, 4 Servo Arms, Triaros Conveyer = 210pts

Tech-priest Auxilia, 4 Servo Arms, Triaros Conveyer = 210pts

 

= 2000pts, leaves 1000pts of army. Basically rush forward with all of the Mhara Gal causing Panic Tests at -1 with the S8 Plasma Cannon, while keeping them alive with the 4 Battlesmiths. Silly, spammy army.

Wrote this a bit earlier in the thread. It's awesome, but has the same issues as the Leviathan. At least it can deep strike natively.

[Terminus]

That's not really what I'm looking for, I want to collect Word Bearers with a Mhara Gal, not 4 Mhara Gal and a third triaros. :P

[ThatOneMarshal]

What about deep striking the Mhara Gal into the enemy deployment zone as an distraction carnifex? The only problem is that I don't know if they have any access to pods. Maybe a Kharbyidis? It keeps the death machine far enough from your deamons to not be dangerous and it will keep your opponent distracted from your Gal Vorbrak and others.

[Hesh Kadesh]

There was a bit before that too ;)

[Terminus]

Yes, he's scary, but keeping him as a distraction carnifex leaves him isolated and focused on in a hurry. I usually use my dreads in conjunction with line infantry so they can support each other. I'll keep trying to adjust tactics I guess, and in the meantime go ahead and order a couple of extra Levi arms.

 

You're using emojis now I see. :D

[Hesh Kadesh]

Best get down with the young kids. Show I'm still hip, and cold. Cold, cool, frosted, something. Edited January 6, 2016 by Hesh Kadesh

[Slips]

Sadly so.

 

I wish we could transmit tone and other verbal cues across the interwebs but sadly technology isnt there yet :(

 

Oh and for giggles:

 

As for the Mhara Gal (or however you spell it), you could possibly drop it into cover / out of LOS behind 1" or less thick walls and just walk through em and blast some fools.

 

No way is it perfect but its some form of shenanigans you can use to keep him around longer.

 

Id also possibly sens him against mutiwound terminators since his plasma cannon Doubles them our and he has to-hot penalties.

[Mr Fulgrim]

What is the best way to equip a Mhara Gal, plasma/powerfist or twp powerfistst? 

[Terminus]

Grav bombard and siege drill. :P