[HH1.0] Word Bearer's Tactics

[Plaguecaster]

The easiest way to fit the ROW in is with special characters as both Erebus and then Zardu, as Erebus fills all 3 requirements (Master, Chaplain, and Diabolist) while Zardu fills Master and Diabolist.

 

I like my own Diabolist I'm writing up terrible fan fluff for so will avoid those guys where I can, but they are unarguably good. Erebus has always been a beast for me in games.

 

I had a few emails with FW on this, but I do think they said any Centurion counts. I'll see if I can find them.

 

Yeah I sent my own email to find out myself.

 

 

I am stuck between Zardu for his daemonology powers or a normal diabolist just for the freedom of coming up with my own fluff, going to come up with a couple lists with both which will post soon which will have a large allied detachment of slaanesh daemons (fear and rending yay) lead by the masque of slaanesh for her debuffing dances or a standard herald with couple mastery lvs. For the dark Bretheren ROW what do people find fits well for the heavy support choice since we can only have one what about Deredeos????.

 

Also something funny I found concerning daemons, due to the wording would any daemon allies taken be able to benefit from both nuncio-vox (any of the controlling players units) enabling any daemon deep striking within 6 of one and not scattering or adding a 1+ to a daemons inv sv against shooting (up to 4 for most daemons) due to a Deredeos atomanic pavise? (friendly infantry units) as it could greatly benift some slaaneshi allies I am planning on taking

Edited June 23, 2015 by teutonicavenger

[Plaguecaster]

Hey  I was just wondering since the  Word Bearers have different chapters etc I was looking for some info on them mainly the different ones  and their specific roles within the legion? I know there is some throne one that's more infantry based. I am just generally curious  trying to look for a chapter to base my army around for fluff reasons as well as working out their symbol, got to save up before I can buy some FW heresy stuff so going to try doing  some homebrew fluff for a force I would like to collect

Cheers

[Marshal Loss]

Try HH Book 2: Massacre, and HH Book 5: Tempest. There are detailed summaries of many different chapters in those two books. :)

[Plaguecaster]

Just wondering on everyone's opinion and experience, is dark channeling worth taking as an upgrade for squads? I know it is part of the word bearers main traitor image but have others found it to be worth it while in games especially since you must take a diabolist in order to access the upgrade

 

 

Edit:

Also can any consul take burning lore??? a Forgelord with it could be fun

Edited August 1, 2015 by teutonicavenger

[Sheokronath]

To start, part time lurker first time poster here. I'd been telling myself for a while that when I eventually accrued enough Forge world minis I'd make the leap from 40k to 30k and after a quick tally on battlescribe earlier it appears my Word Bearers clock in at nearly two thousand points. Where does the time and money go?

Regarding Lorgar and Primarchs in general (With the exception of a few, such as Perturabo and Corax), is there a way to run them effectively without a Land Raider/Spartan? It's disappointing that most legion lists with Primarchs tend to run them the same way. I've seen a few batreps where two spartans carrying a Primarch and their Legion bodyguard roll up to each other and charge. I'd be interested in seeing people's ideas for a shake up and I think the Word Bearers are possibly the best equipped for this given Lorgar's buffs when he's visible to his soldiers. My original plan was to Storm Eagle him and the Gal Vorbak in but by the time they can do damage the game may very well be decided. 

 

While we're on the topic of Primarchs, Lorgar's powers. Since he can choose his powers from Divination and Telekinesis I'm thinking a combo of prescience, precognition for tanking wounds and general survivability and psychic maelstrom because S10 AP1 BS6 large blast barrages at secondary targets is delicious. Any differing opinions? What powers do you take with the Urizen? I like the idea of having Zardu escorting him and some Gal Vorbak, Zardu choose summoning and cursed earth and have a nice 4++ with the dark brethren as well as turning the squad in to a homer for daemons.

 

Also, I've noticed there seems to be quite a bit of reluctance to use Ashen Circle. Is there a reason for the trepidation? I don't think they're badly costed for a squad with that many hand flamers and potentially phosphex, is it just because Gal Vorbak are so good they steal the thunder from the Circle?

 

Edit: Teutonic Avenger, only Praetors, Centurions, Chaplains and Diabolists can take Dark Channelling and I am a huge fan of it, on huge blobs it really pays for itself. If you're playing kill points I wouldn't go overboard with it if you also have Zardu Layak, 50/50 chance of killing your squad at the end of the game sucks.

 

Edit 2: I emailed Forge World regarding Zardu Layak joining a squad while he has a bodyguard of blade slaves. Here is the response:

 

"Hail Citizen of the Emperium!

 

In accordance with Imperial decree 6789123476924 I have forwarded your rules question on to the writing scriveners who will take them into account for upcoming corrective documents (FAQ's).

 

As a customer service team we are able to offer suggested house rules, thoughts and our own interpretation of rules but are unable to issue official rulings, this can only be done by the company design teams that publish the official rules in either PDF updates or printed and digital publications which will become available in time.

 

I don't see why he wouldn't be able to but this would be left to interpretation for the time being and I would say this is an awesome opportunity to have a chat with you friends and see what epic house rules you can decide on till the official updates and rulings are released."

 

Based on this, I'd be rolling Zardu and his Slaves attached to another squad i.e Gal Vorbak. I know it's hardly confirmation, but it's obviously unclear but in my interpretation and the interpretation of this rep it seems valid. What do you guys think?

Edited August 3, 2015 by Sheokronath

[ChaosReigns]

Hey guys,

 

Is Lorgar Transfigured able to take psychic powers from Malefic Daemonology? I've seen it referenced online (including on B&C if I'm not mistaken) but I'm having some trouble finding an explicit allowance in Tempest. I also saw somewhere - I believe it was the Legiones Astartes tactica on 1D4chan - that mastery level 2 Word Bearers Librarians are likewise able to take powers from Malefic Daemonology, but again, I'm not seeing an explicit reference to this in the rules. If someone could point out the relevant page numbers (if indeed there are any) that would be much appreciated!

[Arac]

You are in fact correct. Page 160 in Tempest: "Psychic Powers in the Age of Darkness"

 

 

The following units found in our previously printed HH books have acces to Malefic Daemonology...

[WolfOfHorus]

Words cannot adequately describe how awesome Gal Vorbak are.

 

The Dark Matyr is amazing, essentially a better Centurion. Ive had mine instagib decked praetors.

Edited August 9, 2015 by WolfOfHorus

[depthcharge12]

Words cannot adequately describe how awesome Gal Vorbak.

 

The Dark Matyr is amazing, essentially a better Centurion. Ive had mine instagib decked praetors.

What weapons do you run on him? A power maul or a fist?

[WolfOfHorus]

Fist and Artificer Armor. Power mauls on the regular Gal Vorbak for that sweet sweet Str7 against tanks. Taking min sized squads is totally worth it just for Maytr

 

Seriously, Gal Vorbak are underpriced.

 

On a side note, does anyone run a Daemon allied detachment? Im currently in the process of building a Daemon Factory allied detachment for a 2000 WB/CD list.

Edited August 9, 2015 by WolfOfHorus

[depthcharge12]

Fist and Artificer Armor. Power mauls on the regular Gal Vorbak for that sweet sweet Str7 against tanks. Taking min sized squads is totally worth it just for Maytr

 

Seriously, Gal Vorbak are underpriced.

 

On a side note, does anyone run a Daemon allied detachment? Im currently in the process of building a Daemon Factory allied detachment for a 2000 WB/CD list.

I wrote a list a while back with Zardu Layak and blade slaves with daemon allies. Took just 10 bloodletters and the D weapon bloodthirster (though idk if it's technically legal).

[Hesh Kadesh]

D weapon Bloodthirster is a CDaemon unit as of the WD article, it is legal.

 

Can't say I've heard that Vorbak are underpriced/overpowered before. The S7 is good if you can catch up to a vehicle (Scorpius, Vindi TD etc), but those are back line vehicles, and a big waste of their ability to rip through enemy lines. But they are not exactly that much more resilient than other units.

[WolfOfHorus]

T5, 2W is not resilent? Add on to that it can buffed to 4+ invul with Maelfic? Hell, I generally buff it even further with Griminoire (however the :cuss thats spelled) of Names to a 2+.

[depthcharge12]

I guess you could run a bunch of Tzeentch daemons as a psyker battery to pull out bigger badder things late in the game

 

I like the D thirster for intimidation as well as the ability to eat a Spartan or any other big bad unit.

 

Daemons are good for their initiative AP2 weapons on ICs. I hear slaanesh cav is still good.

[Hesh Kadesh]

T5, 2W is not resilent? Add on to that it can buffed to 4+ invul with Maelfic? Hell, I generally buff it even further with Griminoire (however the :cuss thats spelled) of Names to a 2+.

I forgot about Grimoire, must admit, usually too busy running Belkaor for a biker bomb. Against the strength of shooting arrayed available for legion armies, t5 isn't that tough, medusa are decent as ever (especially since i've learned they bypass flare shields), as are Grav for slowing them and their transport.

 

They are very good units, but that I think is because they are cheapish, (for 30k; for 40k they are average), but also because they hit netlists quite hard. Terminators after all can hold them down long enough. They will die, of course. But they will hold up the Vorbak for long enough that the points invested arent worth it.

[WolfOfHorus]

I'm running a 20+d6 warp charge Allied CAD atm, Belekor is for sure on the list of things I need to pick up. Though he does seem far too autotake.

 

What type of netlists are taking about?

Edited August 9, 2015 by WolfOfHorus

[Hesh Kadesh]

The general ones you see running 20 man apoth blobs and spartan borne terminators. Basically the ones which look good on paper, because lots of numbers work well.

 

Interested as to your list, the problem with Belakor is that he takes up your HQ option, so no Prince+Fateweaver (best model in the game), and hence no Grimoire. Running a biker bomb, I can take Power Weapon and plasma equipped bikers forward, rubber banding around a vigilator during the scout move, while Belakor pops shrouding and invisibility.

[Plaguecaster]

I'm almost tempted to run a full Gal squad alongside a Deredeo with the pavise so they to increase their inv save without having to have malefic maybe even a forgelord for rad grenades to help them murder more stuff Edited August 10, 2015 by teutonicavenger

[WolfOfHorus]

Very simple list, actually is 18 warp charges, but I run it with Zardu generally.

 

4 Tzeentch Heralds, all ML3, 2 with Discs,1 with Grimoire.

 

17 Horrors

 

17 Horrors

 

6 Tzeentch Screamers

[Arac]

Side question:

Do the Gal Vorbak qualify for being Veterans (or Terminators?) under the Terms of the Pride of the Legion RoW? As a rule lawyer I'd say no. But seeing that some of the other Legion get the possibility to use their Legion specific Elites as troops, and the Word Bearers "Pride of the Legion Bundle" on FW (now history) I am a bit curious about your oppinion.

[Caillum]

No.

[WolfOfHorus]

Yeah that Tzeentch list has been awesome, summoning around 270-360 points while getting whatever buffs I need.

 

If you have the models, try it out!

[Marshal Loss]

Trying to help a friend come up with a 2,000 point WB list for an upcoming (narrative based but there will still be the occasional hard list as always) tourney. He has Lorgar & Gal Vorbak and would ideally like to use both.

 

Barely played with/against Word Bearers, so if anybody has any advice for a list factoring these two in I'd be very grateful & pass it along! It looks like as it stands he'll just run an absurdly large deathstar and hope nobody has the sense to take graviton. :P

[Sheokronath]

If he's bringing Lorgar then upgrading him to Transfigured is a no-brainer. Pick Precognition so he can re-roll his failed saves and pick two other powers. I like Prescience for east re-rolls and Psychic Maelstrom because having a Primarch with a barrage demolisher cannon he can shoot at a squad he isn't charging is brilliant. Stay away from Daemonology, there are safer ways to make use of it than risking Lorgar wasting wounds to perils and, if you're really unlucky, getting himself removed from play.

Gal Vorbak are a brilliant unit, I heavily recommend giving the Dark Martyr a Power fist, he has three wounds, WS5, T5 and S5 making him, in my opinion, the best Sergeant in 30k since he's basically a powerful centurion, slap on artificer armour and paint the ground with enemy sergeants while Lorgar does the heavy lifting. I'd recommend running them out of a strong transport like a Spartan, GV are bulky so you can't pack them all in a LR effectively but at 2k that'll eat most of 1000 points, so if he goes this route I'd recommend running the list with the Pride of the Legion RoW and getting some termis/outflanking vets with plasma/melta. It's easy to go overboard with a deathstar like this at 2k points, though.

For his compulsory HQ I highly recommend Zardu Layak, 175 points for a mastery level 2 chaplain who can summon daemons safely is a bargain. Since he has no choice but to take a second HQ (Centurion/Chaplain) I recommend the Chaplain, Word Bearers have insane morale anyway, and Lorgar cranks that up to 11, but having a big tactical/breacher blob be fearless is huge. Or stick him in a secondary melee squad. Or even with some outflanking vets. There's plenty of ways to play Word Bearers but if he wants to make the most of Lorgar he needs a lot of infantry and Lorgar where everyone can see him for the morale buff from Living Icon.

Edited August 15, 2015 by Sheokronath

[depthcharge12]

I think sticking the chaplain in the Gal Vorbak squad would be best to let them get rerolls and also to use him as another power weapon user/tanker.