[HH1.0] Word Bearer's Tactics

[LordBlades]

I use the Diabolist because it's required by the Dark Bretheren RoW, which I use to Enable Daemon Allies for Be'Lakor. There's no other way to do that afaik (Erebus can't be warlord with Lorgar present, right?)

 

EDIT: Thisvis what I'm going for currently:

 

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313850-2500-word-bearers-with-daemon-allies-1st-list/

 

Any suggestions welcome :)

Edited September 23, 2015 by LordBlades

[Caillum]

I use the Diabolist because it's required by the Dark Bretheren RoW, which I use to Enable Daemon Allies for Be'Lakor. There's no other way to do that afaik (Erebus can't be warlord with Lorgar present, right?)

That's absolutely correct - never really thought about that, but you need to run it that way. Can always take a Special Character for the Diabolist too, but you'll still have Charismatic Leadership to account for.

[LordBlades]

 

I use the Diabolist because it's required by the Dark Bretheren RoW, which I use to Enable Daemon Allies for Be'Lakor. There's no other way to do that afaik (Erebus can't be warlord with Lorgar present, right?)

That's absolutely correct - never really thought about that, but you need to run it that way. Can always take a Special Character for the Diabolist too, but you'll still have Charismatic Leadership to account for.

I'm not very familiar with the special characters, is there any that counts as a Diabolist or Centurion/Chaplain and would be useful without beung the Warlord?

 

Also, I think I'll be dropping the TH and Terminator Armor off the Centurion as I've just realized Lorgar concusses stuff already. Do you recommend any upgrades at all beyond Burning Lore?

[Arac]

The Consensus on Kor Phaeron seems to be that he is never usefull. Erebus seems to have a (small) niche. Zardu seems viable. All three count as Diabolists. Erebus Counts as a Chaplain too. Beloth Counts as neither.

[LordBlades]

So Zardu Layak can choose from Malefic Daemonology, giving me Cursed Earth 100% of the time? SOLD!

[Arac]

 

Zardu Layak may select powers from the Pyromancy or Malefic Daemonology disciplines.

 

vs.

 

 

Lorgar Transfigured may select (rather than randomly roll) three powers from Divination and Telekinesis disciplines.

 

 

I don't think Zardu can pick the powers he likes.

[Marshal Loss]

I'd say he can pick his powers, the wording may not be the same as Lorgar's but it is still different to other Psykers in the 30k setting. Check with your opponent before you play. FW did say via email that this was the case, not that those replies are consistent or reliable but still.

 

Here in Australia, it is generally accepted in tournaments etc that he can choose his powers provided it is from those two lores

Edited September 24, 2015 by Marshal Loss

[LordBlades]

Psykers that randomly roll have 'generate' in the rules text uf I'm not mistaken.

 

IMO, 'select' is way more likely to have been intended as 'select (rather than roll)' and not as 'generate'.

Edited September 24, 2015 by LordBlades

[ChaosReigns]

Hey guys, is there any way to deep strike a Terminator Praetor (or for that matter Kor Phaeron) alongside a squad of Gal Vorbak, apart from Rites of War?

[Hesh Kadesh]

No. For that purpose, you'll need a Dreadclaw/Kharybdis as those a Deep Strike via Drop Pod Assault. Short of running Orbital Assault, you're out of luck. Edited October 7, 2015 by Flint13
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[dethric]

I've just gotten into Word Bearers, thought I'd build a list around Zardu Layak. This of course means that I will try and use Ashen Circle for troops. Is it worth getting 20 of them and use them as the only troops in 2 or 4 squads or do I need some form of "hang back" squads of Tacticals for backfield objectives? The problem I have with the idea of "hang back" squads is the point cost, 3x10 tacts with 20 Ashen Circle puts me at over 1k just for troops. Putting the Ashen circle in smaller squads might help out, since then they will be able to cover more ground, but that would make the point cost for Dark Channeling spiral upwards fast.

[depthcharge12]

I'd just run 2 15 man Ashen circle squads and commit to going for a table wipe/area denial.

 

Zardu can also summon cheap daemon allies that can score (I recommend horrors because they're a psyker "battery" too).

[Caillum]

Ashen Circle are 5-10 man only.

[depthcharge12]

2 10 man then derp. If you take three, you would have issues trying to get some Gal Vorbak.

[1000 Sons]

Just wondering if people have had any experience running Cor’bax Utterblight as their LoW instead of Lorgar.  Is one a 'better' choice or do they both line up equally depending on the role you want them to do ?

[Memento Of Prospero]

Just as a random interruption with no particular discussion added value, I thought that praying was the only valid tactic for Word Bearers.

[Lord Asvaldir]

Just wondering if people have had any experience running Cor’bax Utterblight as their LoW instead of Lorgar.  Is one a 'better' choice or do they both line up equally depending on the role you want them to do ?

 

I've never tried to run Cor'bax, he is solid being essentially a t8 greater daemon, but it's really tough to beat what Logar offers. Guaranteed invisibility plus harnessing warp charges on +3 is really hard to top, not to mention Logar's legion boosting abilities and combat prowess (weak of a primarch, but still good).   

 

However, if you were running a lot of daemon allies, Cor'bax is worth it for sure given how he helps with instability. 

[Terminus]

 

Just wondering if people have had any experience running Cor’bax Utterblight as their LoW instead of Lorgar.  Is one a 'better' choice or do they both line up equally depending on the role you want them to do ?

 

I've never tried to run Cor'bax, he is solid being essentially a t8 greater daemon, but it's really tough to beat what Logar offers. Guaranteed invisibility plus harnessing warp charges on +3 is really hard to top, not to mention Logar's legion boosting abilities and combat prowess (weak of a primarch, but still good).   

 

However, if you were running a lot of daemon allies, Cor'bax is worth it for sure given how he helps with instability. 

 

That is a negatory, good buddy, Lorgar no longer has access to Telepathy, so no Invisibility for you.

 

 

I'd just run 2 15 man Ashen circle squads and commit to going for a table wipe/area denial.

 

Zardu can also summon cheap daemon allies that can score (I recommend horrors because they're a psyker "battery" too).

Ashen Circle tops out at 10. That said, Zardu really likes his assault units. If you have both him and Lorgar on the table, Word Bearers get +1 to charge distance, +2(!) to combat resolution, and +1 to their Sweeping Advance rolls re-rolling 1s.  They will break you, and they will run your ass down.

Edited October 7, 2015 by Terminus

[dethric]

 

I'd just run 2 15 man Ashen circle squads and commit to going for a table wipe/area denial.

 

Zardu can also summon cheap daemon allies that can score (I recommend horrors because they're a psyker "battery" too).

Ashen Circle tops out at 10. That said, Zardu really likes his assault units. If you have both him and Lorgar on the table, Word Bearers get +1 to charge distance, +2(!) to combat resolution, and +1 to their Sweeping Advance rolls re-rolling 1s.  They will break you, and they will run your ass down.

 

With a potential for +2 to strength on the charge, those guys seems like they are to normal assault marines what Dolph was to Sylvester, yes. You don't even have to give them any anti tank weapons, S7 allows 10 of them to even take care of dreads on a good day and straight up murder other vehicles with 21 S6 attacks that hit on 3s and glance on 4s in many cases. 

 

Now for a rules question, is the +1 on the binder of souls table optional or not? To me it seems like it's optional, which would mean that you have a 50% chance of getting the extra strength.

 

Edit: corrected strength number, Im stupid.

Edited October 8, 2015 by dethric

[Terminus]

Where are you getting +3 to strength?

[1000 Sons]

How are Word Bearers without any 40k Daemon allies, or is daemon summoning a big part of the WB army ?

[Marshal Loss]

They can still be a good Legion without 40k daemon allies, although that is definitely a large part of their potential strength. Zardu is amazing and all of the local Word Bearer players are using him now, and Gal Vorbak are a fantastic and undoubtedly top-tier unit. So long as you are still utilising psychic powers and units like Gal Vorbak, Word Bearers are still strong. Options like Dark Channeling can, with a little luck, give your units a huge punch over your opponents for a really minimal cost.

 

Just remember that they have essentially vanilla Legion rules - it will help stop you from running away but gives you no other advantages in close combat or at range compared to other Legions, so they rely on their chaosy options to give them a leg up against Legions with superior rules.

[Lord Asvaldir]

 

 

Just wondering if people have had any experience running Cor’bax Utterblight as their LoW instead of Lorgar.  Is one a 'better' choice or do they both line up equally depending on the role you want them to do ?

 

I've never tried to run Cor'bax, he is solid being essentially a t8 greater daemon, but it's really tough to beat what Logar offers. Guaranteed invisibility plus harnessing warp charges on +3 is really hard to top, not to mention Logar's legion boosting abilities and combat prowess (weak of a primarch, but still good).   

 

However, if you were running a lot of daemon allies, Cor'bax is worth it for sure given how he helps with instability. 

 

That is a negatory, good buddy, Lorgar no longer has access to Telepathy, so no Invisibility for you.

 

 

Since when, and it what book does it say that???

 

Daemon allies are certainly one of the greatest strengths of Word Bearers, but that hardly means you HAVE to use them. With dark channeling you've got access to plenty of powers outside just summoning daemons, plus Gal Vorbak are just awesome. That being said I think the strongest Word Bearer list possible would have a little summoning built into it. 

[dethric]

Where are you getting +3 to strength?

Axe Rake/Power Axe, Dark Channeling and Furious Charge.

 

Since when, and it what book does it say that???

Book 5, Tempest

Edited October 8, 2015 by dethric

[1ncarnadine]

 

Where are you getting +3 to strength?

Axe Rake/Power Axe, Dark Channeling and Furious Charge.

 

Axe, check. Dark Channeling, check. Furious Charge, what?

 

 

 

That is a negatory, good buddy, Lorgar no longer has access to Telepathy, so no Invisibility for you.

 

 

Since when, and it what book does it say that???

 

 

Have no fear, he gets access to Divination instead. Precog Lorgar is not to be trifled with.