[HH1.0] Iron Hands Tactics

[Brofist]

I'd stick with 1 sicaran. 3-6 quad guns and 2 laser destroyers would give you a solid base for an army ontop of it. Consider a deredeo to round yourself out.

[Bmseifer]

Ok so 1 sicaran, 2 vindis and 3 quad guns.. the Deredeo is for anti air? What loadout for it? Edited June 14, 2016 by Bmseifer

[Brofist]

Autocannons and missile launcher are the way to go. It's just a solid support unit- good for anti air, good at glancing tanks to death, good at killing marines, and it has interceptor to boot. It'll round out your armored fist pretty well. 

[Memento Of Prospero]

Sicarans are great in low points games - however, you want to bring more tanks for your slots in larger games, and that's how they fall off the wayside.

 

I always take rapiers in 3s. Great bang for the buck. Quad mortars are a solid pick.

Edited June 17, 2016 by Wolf_Pack

[GreyCrow]

Sicarans are great in low points games - however, you want to bring more tanks for your slots in larger games, and that's how they fall off the wayside.

 

I always take rapiers in 3s. Great bang for the buck. Quad mortars are a solid pick.

 

Very true on both counts ! In my meta, I see people scaling up the bodies in the line but rarely scaling up the tank/fire support when they play larger points games, and this hurts them a lot. I've always looked at the Sicaran as an elite variant of the Predator, always felt it was more efficient when escorting a squadron of 3 Predators.

[Charlo]

 

Sicarans are great in low points games - however, you want to bring more tanks for your slots in larger games, and that's how they fall off the wayside.

 

I always take rapiers in 3s. Great bang for the buck. Quad mortars are a solid pick.

 

Very true on both counts ! In my meta, I see people scaling up the bodies in the line but rarely scaling up the tank/fire support when they play larger points games, and this hurts them a lot. I've always looked at the Sicaran as an elite variant of the Predator, always felt it was more efficient when escorting a squadron of 3 Predators.

 

 

Running the new Tank RoW with Ferrus though is absolutely brutal.

 

Everything with IWND and Fast. The only flesh you'd need is some gorgons as his bodyguard... And even then that is questionable.

[Bmseifer]

Well I ordered the 1 Sicaran, 2 laser destroyers and 2 quad guns to start with. I have some infantry from the BaC box so hopefully this will bring me to a small playable army.

 

Btw, I also have 2 Dreadclaws. Are they of any use in an IH legion?

[Charlo]

Sure. They make awesome transports for terminators/ Primarchs/ Assault units!

[Memento Of Prospero]

Dreadclaws are just as good in an IH force than any othe legion. Problem is we usually don't have a particularly deadly cargo to deliver, and they don't benefit from our heavy armnour benefits. However, they are a great trump card in larger games. Opponents will start to stack anti tank against you, and usually won't be prepared for this fat bastard.

[Luna707]

Now that the Malcodor Assault Tank is becoming a heavy support option for legion lists do you all think it would be a prudent investment? Is it worth the points?

[Slips]

If you're running HOTG with Ferrus for an IWND & BAS Super-Heavy Tank, why not?

[Memento Of Prospero]

In regards to the Malcador, all I have to say is this : 

 

 

This is going to be THE best  problem solver for our armoured army lists. Torrent Ap 2 and ignores cover. Ignores cover? IGNORES COVER! Head of the gorgon has a hard time dislodging entrenched troops, especially with how dirty aegis defense lines are.

[Shaolin_Monkey]

Nice idea but it's only the Malcador. Not the Malcador Infernus.

The Legion Malcador was already available to us just as a LoW. All that has changed is a swap to the heavy slot instead. Don't expect the Infernus to show up outside of SA.

[Luna707]

God I'm so excited for this tank, I'm planning on converting one from the WWI British MKIV Emhar kit. I kind of want to get three and have my Iron Hands Termies follow behind in a Landraider and Spartan. It's a super vindicator flare shield death wall and I'm starting to get really sweaty thinking about how cool it's going to look!

[Memento Of Prospero]

Nice idea but it's only the Malcador. Not the Malcador Infernus.

The Legion Malcador was already available to us just as a LoW. All that has changed is a swap to the heavy slot instead. Don't expect the Infernus to show up outside of SA.

This makes me a sad robot :(

 

Oh well, A standard Malcador will replace my sicarans in Apoc games then ;)

[1ncarnadine]

Ick: you guys can run Orth in a super-heavy and still run Ferrus or another LoW now. That's mean...

[RandomMarine]

Yep its gonna get dirty

[Slips]

Dirty, yes, but not as dirty as Orth in a 3 LasVindicator Squadron giving them all Tank Hunter because of Conferred Rules.

 

A bit more Fragile but 9 S9 Ap1 Ordnance, Tank Hunter shots is nasty.

[noigrim]

In regards to the Malcador, all I have to say is this : 

 

 

This is going to be THE best  problem solver for our armoured army lists. Torrent Ap 2 and ignores cover. Ignores cover? IGNORES COVER! Head of the gorgon has a hard time dislodging entrenched troops, especially with how dirty aegis defense lines are.

forgot about poisoned 2+

I would still go with a ceramite typhon, for just some points more is tougher

the infernus is good to have if you wanna bring extra lords of war via allied solar auxilia (better for other legions sicne the flesh is weak)

Edited June 25, 2016 by noigrim

[Flint13]

 

In regards to the Malcador, all I have to say is this : 

 

*snip*

 

This is going to be THE best  problem solver for our armoured army lists. Torrent Ap 2 and ignores cover. Ignores cover? IGNORES COVER! Head of the gorgon has a hard time dislodging entrenched troops, especially with how dirty aegis defense lines are.

forgot about poisoned 2+

I would still go with a ceramite typhon, for just some points more is tougher

the infernus is good to have if you wanna bring extra lords of war via allied solar auxilia (better for other legions sicne the flesh is weak)

 

 

Again, unfortunately looks like only the stock Malc is available for legion lists. 

 

Too, I've had one of these for my Solar Aux for as long as I've had the army. I can tell you from practical experience they are great, but they aren't as great as 18" torrent hellstorm w/ 2+poison and ap2 would have you believe. 

 

First, anything large like Castellax or Terminators you're going to get to shoot at once, maybe twice unless your opponent is absolutely asleep at the wheel. Even if you hit every single Castellax of a max unit, you're going to kill maybe one of them after invulns. Terminators are going ignore 50% of your wounds with their 4++.

 

At the other end of the spectrum, things like Solar Aux or ranged Militia are going to try and hug cover of course, which the Malc Infernus is good for flushing out. But as soon as your Infernus hits the table, its going to be target #1. Av13 and 6HP aren't hard to get through. The Infernus is super mobile, but you're going to have to poke it out to get shots off, and it isn't going to survive much past that. 

[Charlo]

Not massively looked at the Malcador before.

 

For a LoW it's certainly disappointing, but as a Heavy is still pretty crappy.

 

THOUGH - I can only assume the Marine one will now have the same profile/ options as the SA one in the new book, as I can see that is only 235pts base... But doesn't have the weird battle speed rule.

 

I assume though if you have both the Battle and Demo cannon... You can only shoot one? Because of Ordnance rules? Or do they not apply to Super Heavies?

[noigrim]

the question is 2 infernus or 1 stormsword with tank commander/preferred enemy?

[Flint13]

 

noigrim, on 25 Jun 2016 - 10:35 AM, said:

the question is 2 infernus or 1 stormsword with tank commander/preferred enemy?

 

 

Sadly neither of those options would be available outside of a Solar Auxilia primary list

 

 

 

I assume though if you have both the Battle and Demo cannon... You can only shoot one? Because of Ordnance rules? Or do they not apply to Super Heavies?

 

Super heavy, bro. 

 

All about that double pie plate

Edited June 25, 2016 by Flint13

[noigrim]

Consider the following: you canput any imperial armour super heavy as a LoW as per the crusade red book

[Charlo]

 

 

I assume though if you have both the Battle and Demo cannon... You can only shoot one? Because of Ordnance rules? Or do they not apply to Super Heavies?

 

Super heavy, bro. 

 

All about that double pie plate

 

Thought perhaps that was the case! Very cool. Malcador's actually feel a little bit like Knights on Treads...!