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[HH1.0] Iron Hands Tactics


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Sicarans are great in low points games - however, you want to bring more tanks for your slots in larger games, and that's how they fall off the wayside.

 

I always take rapiers in 3s. Great bang for the buck. Quad mortars are a solid pick.

 

Very true on both counts ! In my meta, I see people scaling up the bodies in the line but rarely scaling up the tank/fire support when they play larger points games, and this hurts them a lot. I've always looked at the Sicaran as an elite variant of the Predator, always felt it was more efficient when escorting a squadron of 3 Predators.

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Sicarans are great in low points games - however, you want to bring more tanks for your slots in larger games, and that's how they fall off the wayside.

 

I always take rapiers in 3s. Great bang for the buck. Quad mortars are a solid pick.

 

Very true on both counts ! In my meta, I see people scaling up the bodies in the line but rarely scaling up the tank/fire support when they play larger points games, and this hurts them a lot. I've always looked at the Sicaran as an elite variant of the Predator, always felt it was more efficient when escorting a squadron of 3 Predators.

 

 

Running the new Tank RoW with Ferrus though is absolutely brutal.

 

Everything with IWND and Fast. The only flesh you'd need is some gorgons as his bodyguard... And even then that is questionable.

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Dreadclaws are just as good in an IH force than any othe legion. Problem is we usually don't have a particularly deadly cargo to deliver, and they don't benefit from our heavy armnour benefits. However, they are a great trump card in larger games. Opponents will start to stack anti tank against you, and usually won't be prepared for this fat bastard.

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In regards to the Malcador, all I have to say is this : 

 

99590105349_MalcadorInfernus01.jpg

 

This is going to be THE best  problem solver for our armoured army lists. Torrent Ap 2 and ignores cover. Ignores cover? IGNORES COVER! Head of the gorgon has a hard time dislodging entrenched troops, especially with how dirty aegis defense lines are.

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God I'm so excited for this tank, I'm planning on converting one from the WWI British MKIV Emhar kit. I kind of want to get three and have my Iron Hands Termies follow behind in a Landraider and Spartan. It's a super vindicator flare shield death wall and I'm starting to get really sweaty thinking about how cool it's going to look!

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Nice idea but it's only the Malcador. Not the Malcador Infernus.

The Legion Malcador was already available to us just as a LoW. All that has changed is a swap to the heavy slot instead. Don't expect the Infernus to show up outside of SA.

This makes me a sad robot :(

 

Oh well, A standard Malcador will replace my sicarans in Apoc games then ;)

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In regards to the Malcador, all I have to say is this : 

 

99590105349_MalcadorInfernus01.jpg

 

This is going to be THE best  problem solver for our armoured army lists. Torrent Ap 2 and ignores cover. Ignores cover? IGNORES COVER! Head of the gorgon has a hard time dislodging entrenched troops, especially with how dirty aegis defense lines are.

forgot about poisoned 2+

I would still go with a ceramite typhon, for just some points more is tougher

the infernus is good to have if you wanna bring extra lords of war via allied solar auxilia (better for other legions sicne the flesh is weak)

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In regards to the Malcador, all I have to say is this : 

 

*snip*

 

This is going to be THE best  problem solver for our armoured army lists. Torrent Ap 2 and ignores cover. Ignores cover? IGNORES COVER! Head of the gorgon has a hard time dislodging entrenched troops, especially with how dirty aegis defense lines are.

forgot about poisoned 2+

I would still go with a ceramite typhon, for just some points more is tougher

the infernus is good to have if you wanna bring extra lords of war via allied solar auxilia (better for other legions sicne the flesh is weak)

 

 

Again, unfortunately looks like only the stock Malc is available for legion lists. 

 

Too, I've had one of these for my Solar Aux for as long as I've had the army. I can tell you from practical experience they are great, but they aren't as great as 18" torrent hellstorm w/ 2+poison and ap2 would have you believe. 

 

First, anything large like Castellax or Terminators you're going to get to shoot at once, maybe twice unless your opponent is absolutely asleep at the wheel. Even if you hit every single Castellax of a max unit, you're going to kill maybe one of them after invulns. Terminators are going ignore 50% of your wounds with their 4++.

 

At the other end of the spectrum, things like Solar Aux or ranged Militia are going to try and hug cover of course, which the Malc Infernus is good for flushing out. But as soon as your Infernus hits the table, its going to be target #1. Av13 and 6HP aren't hard to get through. The Infernus is super mobile, but you're going to have to poke it out to get shots off, and it isn't going to survive much past that. 

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Not massively looked at the Malcador before.

 

For a LoW it's certainly disappointing, but as a Heavy is still pretty crappy.

 

THOUGH - I can only assume the Marine one will now have the same profile/ options as the SA one in the new book, as I can see that is only 235pts base... But doesn't have the weird battle speed rule.

 

I assume though if you have both the Battle and Demo cannon... You can only shoot one? Because of Ordnance rules? Or do they not apply to Super Heavies?

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noigrim, on 25 Jun 2016 - 10:35 AM, said:

the question is 2 infernus or 1 stormsword with tank commander/preferred enemy?

 

 

Sadly neither of those options would be available outside of a Solar Auxilia primary list :happy.:

 

 

 

I assume though if you have both the Battle and Demo cannon... You can only shoot one? Because of Ordnance rules? Or do they not apply to Super Heavies?

 

Super heavy, bro. 

 

All about that double pie plate :biggrin.:

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I assume though if you have both the Battle and Demo cannon... You can only shoot one? Because of Ordnance rules? Or do they not apply to Super Heavies?

 

Super heavy, bro. 

 

All about that double pie plate :biggrin.:

 

Thought perhaps that was the case! Very cool. Malcador's actually feel a little bit like Knights on Treads...!

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